[hogofwar]

J-RcZ posted:

So much farming

You can do farming with every other strange weapon.

I will rent out this pageking to the highest bidder!

[mooman1080]

Psychopath12 posted:

In Team Fortress 2, you'd expect that items should be catered towards teamwork.

The Roaming Soldier playstyle is a choice that helps teamwork when paired with a coordinated Medic and Pocket because of the Soldier's innate ability to move quickly and his adaptability to a multitude of situations, Pyro lacks such a mechanic to aid in roaming and lacks that sort of flexibility that the Soldier and Scout boast.

Ok, what prevents the roaming pyro from aiding his team? The detonator can provide extra mobility and the pyro can last longer behind enemy lines with the backscratcher and using airblast to escape unfavorable encounters.

[Psychopath12]

mooman1080 posted:

Ok, what prevents the roaming pyro from aiding his team? The detonator can provide extra mobility and the pyro can last longer behind enemy lines with the backscratcher and using airblast to escape unfavorable encounters.

I never said that he can't aid his team. I stated that he is less useful for teamwork regarding the Medic (one of the most team-oriented classes in the entire game).

Yes, he can keep himself alive with Medkits, but medkits are not always available and it's not always possible to roam to places where the other team isn't watching (which makes it difficult to make a clean entrance so he can stay as healthy as possible).

Time is very important - time spent away from the fight is as good as time spent respawning - time spent being healed by a beam is time spent not healing other teammates. Roaming Soldiers and Scouts minimize that downtime when finding a medkit by being fast to recuperate, the Pyro lacks such a luxury. The Detonator can make him go upwards, but it doesn't make him fast to recuperate.

[mooman1080]

Psychopath12 posted:

I never said that he can't aid his team. I stated that he is less useful for teamwork regarding the Medic (one of the most team-oriented classes in the entire game).

Yes, he can keep himself alive with Medkits, but medkits are not always available and it's not always possible to roam to places where the other team isn't watching (which makes it difficult to make a clean entrance so he can stay as healthy as possible).

Time is very important - time spent away from the fight is as good as time spent respawning - time spent being healed by a beam is time spent not healing other teammates. Roaming Soldiers and Scouts minimize that downtime when finding a medkit by being fast to recuperate, the Pyro lacks such a luxury. The Detonator can make him go upwards, but it doesn't make him fast to recuperate.

You can launch you off walls with the detonator.

But that's roaming for you, it might not be preferable based on the map. Different classes roam in different ways with different strengths, soldier is less long term but faster and more ranged, scout is more rapid but much more fragile. I still haven't a clue what you're saying here; you're complaining it's bad with medics, well no shit, that's the point, you don't see medics all that much while roaming.

[Eriorguez]

The Pyro can do many things but most other classes can do that better, we know that.

[Kapellmeister]

hogofwar posted:

You can do farming with every other strange weapon.

But that requires effort (or an idle server).

[dageek]

Kapellmeister posted:

But that requires effort (or an idle server).

Join idle server
Type +attack in console
Wait a few hours


Doesn't seem like a lot of effort to me.

[Liquid-Fire]

Kapellmeister posted:

But that requires effort (or an idle server).

Farming pda would also require effort. Not to mention, that a guy created a farming map for stranges, all you have to do is connect your alt accounts and type +attack and +forward in the console.

[thecuntsman]

You guys can hold on for another day, right?

[ned_ballad]

Drury posted:

All by a single person.

I didn't realize he also coined Spy seeing enemy's health and Engineer being able to move buildings.

It's kind of funny how much they've borrowed from that guy. He does have a community equalizer... but still.

[01271]

thecuntsman posted:

You guys can hold on for another day, right?

What the hell is up with this damn club of people who 'know things'
First we got testinglol now the contributors are doing it.
Maybe you do know something in which case stop near-breaking your NDA.

[Jetamo]

I don't think Valve makes 'em sign a NDA... I don't think so anyway, I think it's just a matter of trust.

[-=NARH=-]

ned_ballad posted:

I didn't realize he also coined Spy seeing enemy's health and Engineer being able to move buildings.

It's kind of funny how much they've borrowed from that guy. He does have a community equalizer... but still.

He should have a community version of every item he inspired.

[ned_ballad]

Valve doesn't NDA contributors. It's just kind of "dude, be a bro, you know this is confidential"

[Scarabix]

BANG! posted:

   why is the file name tobor.png?   

[ned_ballad]

BANG! posted:

hmm...

[emmens]

It's all just one giant conspiracy...or a joke


on which case not the funniest joke to be saying "HEY I KNOW THINGS" than heckle us

[UnrealCanine]

ned_ballad posted:

I didn't realize he also coined Spy seeing enemy's health and Engineer being able to move buildings.

It's kind of funny how much they've borrowed from that guy. He does have a community equalizer... but still.

I dunno, a lot of what he suggested was also suggested by many people(spys stealing identies/not losing disguise was very popular before the SvsS update)

[Psychopath12]

UnrealCanine posted:

I dunno, a lot of what he suggested was also suggested by many people(spys stealing identies/not losing disguise was very popular before the SvsS update)

A lot of what he suggested may have been popular, but he posted all of those in 2008 -- even before the Pyro update.

At the very least, he's ahead of the curb.

[Grimhound]

[TheFishyG]

Just to add onto the salvaged crate predictions:

-PDA
-Tomislav
-Spycicle
-Grordbort wep
-gimmick/useless/filler wep
-Or an Exceedingly Rare Special Item!

orrrr better yet, enrage two birds with one stone

Grordbort Laser Future Crate of Science!
-Righteous Bison
-Cow Mangler
-Phlog
-Manmelter
-Pomson
-Or an Exceedingly Rare Special Item (of SCIENCE!)

Either way, I'd be pissed if the strange Mangler got into a salvaged crate.

[Jetamo]

TheFishyG posted:

Just to add onto the salvaged crate predictions:

-PDA
-Tomislav
-Spycicle
-Grordbort wep
-gimmick/useless/filler wep
-Or an Exceedingly Rare Special Item!

orrrr better yet, enrage two birds with one stone

Grordbort Laser Future Crate of Science!
-Righteous Bison
-Cow Mangler
-Phlog
-Manmelter
-Pomson
-Or an Exceedingly Rare Special Item (of SCIENCE!)

Either way, I'd be pissed if the strange Mangler got into a salvaged crate.

Special science unusual effects.

[ned_ballad]

Crate 50
- Frying Pan
- Original
- Short-Circuit
- Phlog
- Sun on a Stick

[TheFishyG]

Jetamo posted:

Special science unusual effects.

Now Introducing:

Laser Unusual Effect

Though a Death Fizzle Unusual Effect would be pretty rad.

[Armisael]

ned_ballad posted:

Crate 50
- Frying Pan
- Original
- Short-Circuit
- Phlog
- Sun on a Stick

Isn't the frying pan reskin promo item? And a still active one, at that?

[dageek]

Crate 50:
-Original
-Sandvich
-Homewrecker
-Short Circuit
-Postal Pummeller
-Or an Exceedingly Rare Special Item!

(They might have a Fan-o-war or a Force-a-nature too.)

[Kaze1]

If it's a salvaged crate, expect it to have most used weapons like tomislav, spycicle, probably PDA and bonk, and homewrecker or something

[Teavian]

Crate 50 will contain weapons which are hard to get kills with (like the Chargin' Targe, Short Circuit, and Fan o' War) which will be special stranges with different ranks. (like the Mantreads)

[ned_ballad]

the Targe was one of the first stranges they ever added

[Teavian]

ned_ballad posted:

the Targe was one of the first stranges they ever added

Yes, but this would be a Special Strange (Wooo) that gets you a rank with every kill.

[TeH StAlKs]

testinglol posted:

Seth gone for 1 month
party

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[AbrahamLincoln]

Crate 50:
- Dalokohs bar
- Ali Baba's Wee Booties
- Gunboats
- Mantreads
- Cozy Camper
- Strange Part: Arrows lit on fire
- Strange Part: Enemies turned into golden statues
- Sarge's Sensible Haircut

[Scarabix]

Are you guys desperate enough for content that you start to speculate on crates

wow.

[alwaysrage]

ned_ballad posted:

Crate 50
- Frying Pan
- Original
- Short-Circuit
- Phlog
- Sun on a Stick

You're forgetting something. Strange Sandvich.

[DatHarry]

TeH StAlKs posted:

saftrhyutymr

what're you doing

[Grimhound]

Hmm. Idea. The Quack Pack. A set of items that all disproportionately benefit the Medic more than the people he's healing.

[ned_ballad]

did seth seriously make an alt to post that amazingly witty comeback?

Yikes...

Edited:

Scarabix posted:

Are you guys desperate enough for content that you start to speculate on crates

wow.

it's even funnier because we have legit stuff we've been shown to speculate on

like what is this reward for MvM? What does it do, and why is there a second one that seems to be more of a random drop item?

[Kaze1]

AbrahamLincoln posted:

Crate 50:
- Dalokohs bar
- Ali Baba's Wee Booties
- Gunboats
- Mantreads
- Cozy Camper
- Strange Part: Arrows lit on fire
- Strange Part: Enemies turned into golden statues
- Sarge's Sensible Haircut

Amplitude of turning while charging, sounds legit. Hale's Own wee booties, 10,000º turned while charging,

[dageek]

ned_ballad posted:

did seth seriously make an alt to post that amazingly witty comeback?

Yikes...

Edited:


it's even funnier because we have legit stuff we've been shown to speculate on

like what is this reward for MvM? What does it do, and why is there a second one that seems to be more of a random drop item?

The random drop might be one of the powerup type things

[AbrahamLincoln]

Kaze1 posted:

Hale's Own wee booties