[Rarara]

Tokagero posted:

I take it seriously. It's a reasonable matter.

Tell me, how many games have been ruined for you due to these "language/assholes" problems ? With some work, that amount could be reduced, not completely, but by a sizeable chunk.

People seem to think that this kind of stuff can't be dealt with ,yet they complain and suffer due to it. Why not just do something, and by something , I mean specific measures.

The thing is, it can't be dealt with if the OTHER PERSON doesn't want to deal with it.

I can be the lord of all the good things in the world, and that doesn't stop another guy from not caring.

There's no way to just convince them that teamwork is gold when they just go feed because "DONT TELL ME WHAT TO DO" (actual quote)

The only thing that can be done is to always have 4 friends readily available, but that's unrealistic.

[Rats808]

Jericho_Rus posted:

Literally? I thought you figuratively started downloading it!

Expect rude words.

Technically it isn't a misuse of the word, if he finished clicking through the stuff on steam to install it right before posting that.

Although the "literally" was still unnecessary.

[Tokagero]

Rarara posted:

The thing is, it can't be dealt with if the OTHER PERSON doesn't want to deal with it.

I can be the lord of all the good things in the world, and that doesn't stop another guy from not caring.

There's no way to just convince them that teamwork is gold when they just go feed because "DONT TELL ME WHAT TO DO" (actual quote)

The only thing that can be done is to always have 4 friends readily available, but that's unrealistic.

You are a person too.

Have you ever been convied to do something ? Have you ever listened to someone, even though you didn't really care for him ?

Words affect people, spoken more so than written, but with proper technique you can reach people who can't give a fuck over the internet.

Issue is, people refuse to even try, and if they do respond, talk with others during game, it's for retorts and complaints.

If you were that sort of "tight ass" who calls GG the moment he sees teammate get firstblooded and after that refuses to play with team, would you give a damn if someone called you an asshat ?

No, you wouldn't. But suddenly, someone starts to use normal words. Helps, despite being ignored previously. You call him idiot for dying, he will agree he made a mistake.

This might seem naive, too positive, hell, paint me rainbows, but people react differently when they see something unexpected. A person refusing to abuse anonymity that internet provides, so that he can be helpful and friendly ? That is unexpected.

Give it a thought, don't just imagine world from Meet the Pyro where lollipops grow out of ground, skies are bright blue and noone gets hurt or acts like an asshole, it is only world inside Pyro's head.

But we ain't condemned to soloqueue where defeat is based on ragequit of the first player and nicest thing you can see written is "gg wp".


*On Luna.
Seriously ? Instant damage AoE targets Ultimate ? I know heroes broken on day-one are not rare, but it seems quite unreal.

[titopei]

So, who's ready to run a wisp riki combo?

[The Mighty Boat]

titopei posted:

So, who's ready to run a wisp riki combo?

ive been preparing

Edited:

Tokagero posted:

You are a person too.

Have you ever been convied to do something ? Have you ever listened to someone, even though you didn't really care for him ?

Words affect people, spoken more so than written, but with proper technique you can reach people who can't give a fuck over the internet.

Issue is, people refuse to even try, and if they do respond, talk with others during game, it's for retorts and complaints.

If you were that sort of "tight ass" who calls GG the moment he sees teammate get firstblooded and after that refuses to play with team, would you give a damn if someone called you an asshat ?

No, you wouldn't. But suddenly, someone starts to use normal words. Helps, despite being ignored previously. You call him idiot for dying, he will agree he made a mistake.

This might seem naive, too positive, hell, paint me rainbows, but people react differently when they see something unexpected. A person refusing to abuse anonymity that internet provides, so that he can be helpful and friendly ? That is unexpected.

Give it a thought, don't just imagine world from Meet the Pyro where lollipops grow out of ground, skies are bright blue and noone gets hurt or acts like an asshole, it is only world inside Pyro's head.

But we ain't condemned to soloqueue where defeat is based on ragequit of the first player and nicest thing you can see written is "gg wp".


*On Luna.
Seriously ? Instant damage AoE targets Ultimate ? I know heroes broken on day-one are not rare, but it seems quite unreal.

it seems naive because it is, sorry. and yeah luna was pretty fucking broken but there were way worse before i started playing

[Tokagero]

But please, call it naive, but support it with your reasoning. If I am to be proven wrong, let it be with an argument.

[RagerTrader]

Terin7 posted:

Wisp actually has to be hurt and regenning for it to heal the ally, though. You can't be at full health and give the 2% bonus.

But that is what it's E is for.

[TehWoodPcker]

GODFUCKINGDAMNIT.

A Clockwerk that was rushing Vlads from the beginning of the game when we had an Ursa.
Told him 2 minutes in NOT TO GET VLADS.

He gets it, then sells it at 30 mins so he just has boots.
At this point he is 0-8 and buys a Quarterstaff.

As i know it he gets a Lothars at 40 minutes in.
fucking lothars.

Oh and he never spoke a word.

[Rarara]

Tokagero posted:

You are a person too.

Have you ever been convied to do something ? Have you ever listened to someone, even though you didn't really care for him ?

Words affect people, spoken more so than written, but with proper technique you can reach people who can't give a fuck over the internet.

Issue is, people refuse to even try, and if they do respond, talk with others during game, it's for retorts and complaints.

If you were that sort of "tight ass" who calls GG the moment he sees teammate get firstblooded and after that refuses to play with team, would you give a damn if someone called you an asshat ?

No, you wouldn't. But suddenly, someone starts to use normal words. Helps, despite being ignored previously. You call him idiot for dying, he will agree he made a mistake.

This might seem naive, too positive, hell, paint me rainbows, but people react differently when they see something unexpected. A person refusing to abuse anonymity that internet provides, so that he can be helpful and friendly ? That is unexpected.

Give it a thought, don't just imagine world from Meet the Pyro where lollipops grow out of ground, skies are bright blue and noone gets hurt or acts like an asshole, it is only world inside Pyro's head.

But we ain't condemned to soloqueue where defeat is based on ragequit of the first player and nicest thing you can see written is "gg wp".


*On Luna.
Seriously ? Instant damage AoE targets Ultimate ? I know heroes broken on day-one are not rare, but it seems quite unreal.

When my teammate gets first blooded I don't instantly stop liking them, only assholes do that.

Hell, if someone is REALLY BAD, I usually don't complain, its a game right.

But if someone purposely just feeds, tower dives 6 times in a row (dying all times) or generally acts like douches, not listening to anyone, you can't blame me for not liking them.

If someone says I am terrible and should do something else than what I do I acknowledge that. Sometimes they are right, other times they just bitch at me for nothing.

Also you are naive for thinking of it like that.

[Rocko's]

So I got this invite from the beta which I never knew I did, is there anything I should learn first before I play? Any tactics? Any gameplay strategies?

[That Ninja]

Rocko's posted:

So I got this invite from the beta which I never knew I did, is there anything I should learn first before I play? Any tactics? Any gameplay strategies?

A lot. Read the OP, practice against bots. Watch youtube videos and spectate a few matches.
Then you'll be prepared, a little.

[Tokagero]

Rarara posted:

When my teammate gets first blooded I don't instantly stop liking them, only assholes do that.

Hell, if someone is REALLY BAD, I usually don't complain, its a game right.

But if someone purposely just feeds, tower dives 6 times in a row (dying all times) or generally acts like douches, not listening to anyone, you can't blame me for not liking them.

If someone says I am terrible and should do something else than what I do I acknowledge that. Sometimes they are right, other times they just bitch at me for nothing.

Also you are naive for thinking of it like that.

As I said, argument.

It seems naive from first glance, even to me, but the fact is most of usual Dota matches are stripped of human relations. There's only basic stuff : commands, "miss", shit talk if such.

Once again, if all you are given are short words, nickname and a portrait, you won't treat person like you would treat a real character. Here's a shocker for ya, when you play with friends, you call them in chat by names. First thing you see when looking at hero they are controlling is not "trax" or "tide", it's name you call them by.

This first step, calling people by their nicknames instead of common "ss" "doom",etc, actually improves relations in-game.

Try it yourself. Play games, and just note when people you don't know call you by hero name and when they call you be your nickname. I had a match where a pudge called me from start by nickname. After that game we had 1 more and had a friendly chat entire time. Hell, we even traded.

Match was also good as well, I noticed guy isn't another "mid or I feed" so I gave up some starting items to do as he asked, warded runes for him. I bought courier there as well, so I didn't feel obliged to get those wards, but I did.

It seems naive, it always does. Honest ideas will always seem naive when they are not flesh and blood yet.

On paper, what Valve does is naive. Free stuff, free tools, shitload of sales, free updates. Yet it's not. Because they are nice to their customers and offer a lot of content for anyone, from casual gamer to gaming 3D designer/ passionate movie maker now, those people stick with them. I've never spent a dime for any online-stuff. Yet, I regularly pay with steam, buy things like keys from time to time, try out games not through original sites, but Valve.

I played some Tribes Ascend when it was in Beta, was good, didn't quite had time for it, gave it up. Now it's on steam, I instantly downloaded it and I am looking forward to play it, because I automatically associate Valve with quality and fun, so Tribes got upgraded in my mind by assistance of Valve.


Once again, Valve doesn't charge a dime for a lot of things they could, and it comes back as loyality of customers.

So why not give out free friendliness during games, which will return as improved community as a whole ?

Paint me rainbows/optimistic and call naive, but I see a potential in Dota's future concenrning community.

[Rarara]

Tokagero posted:

As I said, argument.

It seems naive from first glance, even to me, but the fact is most of usual Dota matches are stripped of human relations. There's only basic stuff : commands, "miss", shit talk if such.

Once again, if all you are given are short words, nickname and a portrait, you won't treat person like you would treat a real character. Here's a shocker for ya, when you play with friends, you call them in chat by names. First thing you see when looking at hero they are controlling is not "trax" or "tide", it's name you call them by.

This first step, calling people by their nicknames instead of common "ss" "doom",etc, actually improves relations in-game.

Try it yourself. Play games, and just note when people you don't know call you by hero name and when they call you be your nickname. I had a match where a pudge called me from start by nickname. After that game we had 1 more and had a friendly chat entire time. Hell, we even traded.

Match was also good as well, I noticed guy isn't another "mid or I feed" so I gave up some starting items to do as he asked, warded runes for him. I bought courier there as well, so I didn't feel obliged to get those wards, but I did.

It seems naive, it always does. Honest ideas will always seem naive when they are not flesh and blood yet.

On paper, what Valve does is naive. Free stuff, free tools, shitload of sales, free updates. Yet it's not. Because they are nice to their customers and offer a lot of content for anyone, from casual gamer to gaming 3D designer/ passionate movie maker now, those people stick with them. I've never spent a dime for any online-stuff. Yet, I regularly pay with steam, buy things like keys from time to time, try out games not through original sites, but Valve.

I played some Tribes Ascend when it was in Beta, was good, didn't quite had time for it, gave it up. Now it's on steam, I instantly downloaded it and I am looking forward to play it, because I automatically associate Valve with quality and fun, so Tribes got upgraded in my mind by assistance of Valve.


Once again, Valve doesn't charge a dime for a lot of things they could, and it comes back as loyality of customers.

So why not give out free friendliness during games, which will return as improved community as a whole ?

Paint me rainbows/optimistic and call naive, but I see a potential in Dota's future concenrning community.

The thing is, calling people by name if their name is xxnaqpyzorkaznsi29839xx is kind of hard. Same if their name is in russian.

I usually call people if their name is shorter and easier to say, but sometimes its just easier to say "tide" instead of "marlsimus", even more important when trying to get a kill before its too late.

Also, your whole speech about naivety is kind of odd.

Its not naive to believe people will support someone who gave them free, fun stuff for many a year and hundreds of hours. VALVe is widely known like that.

But if VALVe came out of nowhere, released an average game and said it was free they wouldn't get instant fame and trust.

[Rocko's]

Is Skeleton King a great starting hero for a new player like me?

[Banhfunbags]

Rocko's posted:

Is Skeleton King a great starting hero for a new player like me?

Try Sven

[Rarara]

Rocko's posted:

Is Skeleton King a great starting hero for a new player like me?

Yeah he's what known as a right click hero.

Just follow the suggested items (starter are items you need to stay in lane, early game items vary on usefulness, but I personally skip them on most characters, core means you should get it for sure, situational means late game items most of the time)

Use the only ability you have sparingly (2 sec stun + slow), and remember you need mana to reincarnate

[The Mighty Boat]

Rocko's posted:

Is Skeleton King a great starting hero for a new player like me?

not really, just because hes simple doesnt mean hes easy. try a support hero like venomancer or lich to start off

[Rarara]

Banhfunbags posted:

Try Sven

If you try Sven you should remember to ignore cleave until you maxed stun and shout.

The Mighty Boat posted:

not really, just because hes simple doesnt mean hes easy. try a support hero like venomancer or lich to start off

You broke my automerge :(

(IMO SK is easy, except his last hitting is a bit slow)

Its a lot easier to fail as Venomancer or Lich, you have to be aware, use your abilities correctly, and you die almost instantly (at least as venomancer)

[DarkendSky]

guys ive uncovered the secret to good dota soloqueue

queue for us west because the russians and brs never come here

Edited:

ive had no truly bad teams here, but whenever i play with my eurotrash friends we get a ton of ruskies, it blows

[The Mighty Boat]

DarkendSky posted:

guys ive uncovered the secret to good dota soloqueue

queue for us west because the russians and brs never come here

Edited:

ive had no truly bad teams here, but whenever i play with my eurotrash friends we get a ton of ruskies, it blows

when i started queueing for us servers isntead of europe it was like going up 700 elo

[DarkendSky]

The Mighty Boat posted:

when i started queueing for us servers isntead of europe it was like going up 700 elo

the best part is one of them insists that the US pubbies are worse because 'there are kids'. its even better when he says this while we lose because of a 0-13 sniper or something

[OutOfExile2]

Rocko's posted:

Is Skeleton King a great starting hero for a new player like me?

Skeleton is a good starting carry
I recommend picking up some support heroes first to learn the game mechanics, and then transitioning to someone like Skeleton. You don't want your team to rely on you when you have no idea what's going on.

[DarkendSky]

Rocko's posted:

Is Skeleton King a great starting hero for a new player like me?

Try out Lina, Lion, and Ogre Magi. They're all real easy to play and do well with. They aren't carrys, though, but its nearly impossible to not be useful as these guys. Crystal Maiden is another viable choice, but she's really squishy and relies on standing still to do damage.

[Naught]

also being melee in the beginning isnt normally the best because of enemy harassment

[OutOfExile2]

This match was a joy to watch. Only 30 minutes long and very intense. Infused used a pub-strat that I've been crushed by.

[Banhfunbags]

Wow mous vs MTW game

[stealth_camo]

mtw just absolutely destroyed mouz

biggest spanking i've seen in a while

[DarkendSky]

How do you even lose that fast, what the fuck?

[Doughnuts]

Oh god why....

[Jonii]

That EG v. zNat game was so long. Still, I was happy with the outcome.

[Maruhai]

I didn't watch the mTw vs Mouz game, what happened ?

[OutOfExile2]

Jonii posted:

That EG v. zNat game was so long. Still, I was happy with the outcome.

Satanic vs. Satanic! Heaven's Halberd vs. Heaven's Halberd!
Funny as hell

[Hustle Bones]

Doughnuts posted:

Oh god why....

what the fuck is your steam avatar

[Doughnuts]

Hustle Bones posted:

what the fuck is your steam avatar

MODOK with a cap, I call him BRODOK

[Maruhai]

Hustle Bones posted:

what the fuck is your steam avatar

what the fuck is your avatar

[Rarara]

Maruhai posted:

what the fuck is your avatar

what the fuck is your avatar

[Flubadoo]

Rarara posted:

what the fuck is your avatar

[Banhfunbags]

Maruhai posted:

I didn't watch the mTw vs Mouz game, what happened ?

mtw got 1 raxx at 5 mins and 2nd raxx at I think 16 mins

[Badunkadunk]

TehWoodPcker posted:

GODFUCKINGDAMNIT.

A Clockwerk that was rushing Vlads from the beginning of the game when we had an Ursa.
Told him 2 minutes in NOT TO GET VLADS.

He gets it, then sells it at 30 mins so he just has boots.
At this point he is 0-8 and buys a Quarterstaff.

As i know it he gets a Lothars at 40 minutes in.
fucking lothars.

Oh and he never spoke a word.

He was too ashamed to speak.

[xpod1]

20 minute quota
do you go this hard when you play prophet