[DamagePoint]

NY Daily News posted:

A Kansas pastor is standing by his sermon Sunday that called for the government to kill homosexuals.

Curtis Knapp of New Hope Baptist Church in Seneca, Kan., said homosexuals “should be put to death.”

Knapp, whose sermon was roundly condemned, told CNN affiliate KTKA that his voice-mail is filled with “things you don’t want your kids to hear.”

But Knapp said the backlash hasn’t changed his mind.

“We punish pedophilia. We punish incest. We punish polygamy and various things,” Knapp told KTKA. “It’s only homosexuality that is lifted out as an exemption.”

Knapp argued that his sermon was rooted in Biblical verse.

“‘If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act,’” he quoted from Leviticus 20:12. “‘They shall surely be put to death.’”

While sticking to his view, Knapp said he himself wouldn’t attack homosexuals.

“I don’t believe I should lay a finger against them,” the Kansas pastor said. “My hope is for their salvation, not for their death.”

Knapp is among a number of religious figures who have recently spoken out against homosexuality.

North Carolina pastor Charles Worley delivered a sermon on May 13 that offered “a way to get rid of all the lesbians and queers” by corralling them behind an electrified fence and feeding them until they die out.

Maryland pastor Dennis Leatherman, responding to Worley’s comments on May 27, said that Worley was “dead wrong.”

Leatherman also said that he had considered the idea of killing homosexuals, but ultimately decided against it.

“There is a danger of reacting in the flesh, of responding not in a scriptural, spiritual way, but in a fleshly way. Kill them all. Right?” Leatherman said. “I will be very honest with you. My flesh kind of likes that idea.

“But it grieves the Holy Spirit. It violates Scripture. It is wrong,” he added.

The Southern Baptist Convention said that Worley’s church is not affiliated with the group and condemned the pastor’s comments, according to CNN.

Fellow North Carolina pastor Sean Harris urged parents in May to hit their sons when they start to “act a little girlish.”

The senior pastor at Berean Baptist Church later said that he regretted his sermon.

“If I had to say it again, I would say it differently, no doubt,” Harris said. “Those weren’t planned words, but what I do stand by is that the word of God makes it clear that effeminate behavior is ungodly.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1087886


I'm not sure how to embed mp3s but you can listen to audio of the sermon here:

http://www.goodasyou.org/knappks.mp3
(Warning: Content May Be Disturbing)


I know what he says is protected under free speech, but wouldn't this be considered inciting violence? There's been several other 'Christian' pastors calling for the death of gays in recent months, I just hope some knucklehead doesn't take what this guy is saying to heart and acts out on it.

[wanksta11]

if we go by his logic we should execute him for being stupid

[AceOfDivine]

But religion is about love of a fellow man? I am wondering if there was a time machine during medieval ages because a damn lot of people seem to come from there.

[yawmwen]

DamagePoint posted:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/kansas-pastor-stands-sermon-government-kill-gays-article-1.1087886


I'm not sure how to embed mp3s but you can listen to audio of the sermon here:

http://www.goodasyou.org/knappks.mp3
(Warning: Content May Be Disturbing)


I know what he says is protected under free speech, but wouldn't this be considered inciting violence? There's been several other 'Christian' pastors calling for the death of gays in recent months, I just hope some knucklehead takes what this guy is saying to heart and acts out on it.

As long as he isn't calling for individuals to take up violence against a group of people, it shouldn't be inciting violence. There is nothing illegal about saying that you think the laws should change in the country.

He even said people should not go around killing gays, the government should make homosexuality a capital offense.

[halflambada]

Kansas.

That's all you really need to know

[inconspicious]

The government should execute the religious for being mentally impaired.

[yawmwen]

halflambada posted:

Kansas.

That's all you really need to know

I'm sort of sick of this. It's like whenever you hear a story about a woman being stoned or oppressed in the middle east, you shouldn't just say "middle east, that's all you really need to know". The fact that this attitude is alive in this fucking country is appalling, whether it's in Los Angeles of the middle of fucking Kansas.

[TheFilmSlacker]

Isn't religion supposed to promote forgiveness?

[Spacewolf]

Been hearing a lot of this from nutjobs recently.

[AceOfDivine]

TheFilmSlacker posted:

Isn't religion supposed to promote forgiveness?

Only if you're white straight male. Otherwise no.

[Mr. N]

Didn't this get posted before?

[dass]

Spacewolf posted:

Been hearing a lot of this from nutjobs recently.

Thats what brought me to this thread. Its getting scary, its as if these guys are gathering...

[J!NX]

I better stay away from sick-fucks like this guy...

inconspicious posted:

The government should execute the religious for being mentally impaired.

Also, I'll stay away from you as well!

dass posted:

Thats what brought me to this thread. Its getting scary, its as if these guys are gathering...

army of

[dass]

J!NX posted:

I better stay away from sick-fucks like this guy...

Wow, from my point of view at this precise moment, its kind of fucked up to think that if he was near you, he could throw his bs or even harm you.
Thinking about that makes me sad. Even though you're a random person on the internet, it sounds even more fucked up than it already is.

I don't understand how some people don't have this same chain of thought, that they would be harming someone, and for increadibly retarded ideas.

[thisispain]

inconspicious posted:

The government should execute the religious for being mentally impaired.

get help

[Ban Camp]

Fellow North Carolina pastor Sean Harris urged parents in May to hit their sons when they start to “act a little girlish.”

>:[

[J!NX]

dass posted:

Wow, from my point of view at this precise moment, its kind of fucked up to think that if he was near you, he could throw his bs or even harm you.
Thinking about that makes me sad. Even though you're a random person on the internet, it sounds even more fucked up than it already is.

I don't understand how some people don't have this same chain of thought, that they would be harming someone, and for increadibly retarded ideas.

it's because they grew up misguided and believed that anger and hatred solves things.

I find it sickening that people like this even exist in this day and age. I guess we really are no better than animals.

[dass]

inconspicious posted:

The government should execute the religious for being mentally impaired.

Not exactly, but I do think the government should do something (anything at all) to people who say shit like this.
Institutionalize them or something. This might sound a bit over the top (not compared to your idea) but seriously, this is just awful coming from a man who should be preaching about peace and tolerance.

[thisispain]

you know i'd rather live in a world where people say vile stupid shit like this than live in a world where someone might be institutionalized for saying something.

maybe i'm too much of a bleeding heart liberal, but i think that's nice policy.

[Laferio]

inconspicious posted:

The government should execute the religious for being mentally impaired.

you're no better than any of them with that kind of statement. get out.

[Zillamaster55]

-snip, I didn't mean to say that-

[DamagePoint]

yawmwen posted:

As long as he isn't calling for individuals to take up violence against a group of people, it shouldn't be inciting violence. There is nothing illegal about saying that you think the laws should change in the country.

He even said people should not go around killing gays, the government should make homosexuality a capital offense.

Technically you're right, but what if he said the same thing about black people? If it isn't directly inciting violence, it's most definitely hate speech, which is still protected by the 1st Amendment.

Mr. N posted:

Didn't this get posted before?

There was this guy that said a few weeks ago that gays should be put inside of an electrified pen and killed off but as far as I know this hasn't been posted before.

[Rents]

yawmwen posted:

As long as he isn't calling for individuals to take up violence against a group of people, it shouldn't be inciting violence. There is nothing illegal about saying that you think the laws should change in the country.

He even said people should not go around killing gays, the government should make homosexuality a capital offense.

Uhhh, what, how is calling for the systematic extermination of a minority not worse than calling for random acts of violence.

[DamagePoint]

ninja'd

[yawmwen]

DamagePoint posted:

Technically you're right, but what if he said the same thing about black people? If it isn't directly inciting violence, it's most definitely hate speech, which is still protected by the 1st Amendment.

If he said it about blacks, people would probably be slightly more outraged, but it still wouldn't be illegal.

Rents posted:

Uhhh, what, how is calling for the systematic extermination of a minority not worse than calling for random acts of violence.

Because one is protected by the 1st amendment, and one isn't...

[cecilbdemodded]

This guy obviously isn't a Ned Stark fan, he wants 'the government' to kill them, but he himself won't do it.

[DamagePoint]

cecilbdemodded posted:

This guy obviously isn't a Ned Stark fan, he wants 'the government' to kill them, but he himself won't do it.

Well he obviously doesn't want to get his hands dirty. And, he doesn't have the balls to do it.

[SystemGS]

one pastor says something extremist, suddenly everyone is a fucking alarmist about religion and begins decrying it as an evil to be erased from existence

[asteroidrules]

We all get it: this is horrible, but people need to stop re-reporting it. There's been how many threads for this so far?

[Ownederd]

inconspicious posted:

The government should execute the religious for being mentally impaired.

you're a terrible person

[Norfair12]

"Curtis Knapp of New Hope Baptist Church in Seneca, Kan., said homosexuals “should be put to death.”

While sticking to his view, Knapp said he himself wouldn’t attack homosexuals.

“I don’t believe I should lay a finger against them,” the Kansas pastor said. “My hope is for their salvation, not for their death.”

Urm, what?

[lotusking]

inconspicious posted:

The government should execute the religious for being mentally impaired.

the only person who's impaired here, morally and intellectually,

is you.

[asteroidrules]

lotusking posted:

the only person who's impaired here, morally and intellectually,

is you.

Did anyone else read that in GLaDOS' voice?

[Savyetski79]

yawmwen posted:

I'm sort of sick of this. It's like whenever you hear a story about a woman being stoned or oppressed in the middle east, you shouldn't just say "middle east, that's all you really need to know". The fact that this attitude is alive in this fucking country is appalling, whether it's in Los Angeles of the middle of fucking Kansas.

Except women really are oppressed a shit load in the middle east and kansas really is full of fuck tard fundamentalists.

[Mind Infection]

It isn't the fact that there was a pastor saying this that bothers me, it bothers me because there is a crowd of people agreeing with him.

[BlueChihuahua]

http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1187511

[fruxodaily]

inconspicious posted:

The government should execute the religious for being mentally impaired.

Not all religious people are like this you know, this is an example of a person who gives religion a bad name.

[bucketofshrimp]

I wish I could tell them that they're acting like the prophets and people who killed Jesus.
As said before "Don't judge one another no matter how righteous you think you are."
as well as "Love all your neighbors"
In my eyes these religious extremists are only doing what pleases satan, by wanting to commit a genocide on a certain type of people just because they have a different trait.
If God and his son didn't want all these people forgiven, then what was the point of Jesus even dying?

Gays are people too!

[yawmwen]

Savyetski79 posted:

Except women really are oppressed a shit load in the middle east and kansas really is full of fuck tard fundamentalists.

That should diminish how appalling it is. I understand not being surprised, because I'm not surprised at all. However, the attitude of that post is sort of dismissive of the issue.

[Bomimo]

This is gonna end in all kinds of shitstorms. I hope i never face an "us or them" situation with these religious shitheads, because i know you'll all side with Freedom of speech over actual equality, and just have all of us executed instead, if that was the ultimatum...