1. Post #41
    Dennab
    February 2012
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    Only Windows and Xbox 360 use Direct X, Everything else, consoles, smart phones and Linux use OpenGL.

    Most PC games are just ported from Xbox 360.

    Think about it, If Linux became more mainstream games could be ported from PC to console thanks to Linux using OpenGL.
    Because all of these different platforms use the same processor architecture, operating system and API's, right?

    Even openGL has cut down versions like ES. The distinction isn't as clean as you try to make out.
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  2. Post #42
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    Because all of these different platforms use the same processor architecture, operating system and API's, right?

    Even openGL has cut down versions like ES. The distinction isn't as clean as you try to make out.
    you make a valid point but unless Valve releases the source code for Steam (they won't) processor architecture won't really matter because the binaries will be exclusively x86.
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  3. Post #43
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    Phoronix is quite well known and legit source.
    Ahahaha. No. Phoronix has always been the "wishful thinking" news site. They leave a trail of broken promises in their wake.


    This, though, is incredible. Really glad to see that we might get a proper gaming platform for Linux. It's about time.

    Edited:

    Even openGL has cut down versions like ES. The distinction isn't as clean as you try to make out.
    AFAIK, OpenGL ES is similar enough to modern OpenGL that you can hit both targets with the same code if you do it carefully. The ARB has been working to bring the two standards (embedded and full) together as much as possible.

    You miss out on some functionality in ES (IIRC, you don't have things like 'primitive restart' indices or various extensions, probably more), but it's not the end of the world.
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  4. Post #44
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    I think when you're making games the API is a minor problem.
    Swapping out DirectX for OpenGL generally isn't a big deal.
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  5. Post #45
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    Only Windows and Xbox 360 use Direct X, Everything else, consoles, smart phones and Linux use OpenGL.

    Most PC games are just ported from Xbox 360.

    Think about it, If Linux became more mainstream games could be ported from PC to console thanks to Linux using OpenGL.
    That's not how it works.

    Do you know what DirectX is? It's a set of application programming interfaces that allow games to access the hardware through an abstraction layer. That's why many Windows 9x games still work on Windows 7. Direct3D is the most popular component of DirectX.
    Consoles platforms are always identical, so games can be programmed to compute with the GPU directly, without using Direct3D.
    Console games that use these APIs are bad ports.
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  6. Post #46
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    Dennab
    November 2008
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    I am hoping this paves the way for future Android developments, since it's a fork of Linux

  7. Post #47
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    I am hoping this paves the way for future Android developments, since it's a fork of Linux
    A fork of Linux? What are you talking about?
    They're porting Steam to run on Ubuntu, and L4D2 as well (as far as we've seen).
    They're not doing any forks of Linux or anything.
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  8. Post #48
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    I think when you're making games the API is a minor problem.
    Swapping out DirectX for OpenGL generally isn't a big deal.
    Especially since you can run OpenGL in Windows as well.

    we should just phase out DirectX

    Edited:

    to clarify: I don't mean "get to the point where we remove it completely" - that'd break so many games. I say "just stop using it".
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  9. Post #49
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    Dennab
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    why lavacano, why..
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  10. Post #50
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    Hurray! Hello Linux!
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  11. Post #51
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  12. Post #52
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    why lavacano, why..
    dude, I'm the goddamn project lead, of COURSE I'm going to be using the browser I take the credit for making
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  13. Post #53
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    I'm hoping it comes out as soon as possible.
    Using Steam with freaking WINE 1.0.1 is like trying to get a baby to drive a car properly.
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  14. Post #54
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    January 2011
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    I'm hoping it comes out as soon as possible.
    Using Steam with freaking WINE 1.0.1 is like trying to get a baby to drive a car properly.
    Why the hell would you even use such an older version? The latest STABLE version is 1.4, and most distros nowadays use 1.5: http://www.winehq.org/
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  15. Post #55
    Wait... so if I write anything here, it's going to show up under my name?
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    Now the tens of linux gamers can finally play together!
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  16. Post #56
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    July 2010
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    A fork of Linux? What are you talking about?
    They're porting Steam to run on Ubuntu, and L4D2 as well (as far as we've seen).
    They're not doing any forks of Linux or anything.
    they're saying ANDROID is a fork of linux, which is true. and they're only porting steam to run on ubuntu specifically, but I bet with a bit of tinkering it will work on any distro you dream of.

  17. Post #57
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    they're saying ANDROID is a fork of linux, which is true. and they're only porting steam to run on ubuntu specifically, but I bet with a bit of tinkering it will work on any distro you dream of.
    Well Valve gotta start somewhere.
    And Ubuntu IS known for being the beginner distro (along with Mint), so it's also a quite clever ploy at getting more people to use Linux.
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  18. Post #58
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    Hopefully it will of been worth the weight
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  19. Post #59
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    Hopefully it will of been worth the weight
    Approximately how much does steam for linux weigh?

    I'm seeing the same thing that most people do though, just because steam is on linux doesn't mean people will immediately start making their games for it, there would need to be some form of incentive that isn't there.
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  20. Post #60
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    they're saying ANDROID is a fork of linux, which is true. and they're only porting steam to run on ubuntu specifically, but I bet with a bit of tinkering it will work on any distro you dream of.
    They better not use any Ubuntu specific libs or I'm going to flip several shits.

    Edited:

    i mean if they stick it in a .deb file I can just install dpkg and tell it to force install, but if they use that "Ubuntu One" thing or whatever the hell bastard notification library I will decompile the thing myself and change it to use standard shit if I have to.
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  21. Post #61
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    So long windows! Hello linux!
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  22. Post #62
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    Why are you guys getting excited, how many steam games do you currently own?

    Subtract all of the valve games in your list and then look at how many games run for windows and then look at the Windows+Mac (steamplay) games, now think to yourself how many of your favourites are in that pile.

    Let's look at a chart of widely used OS when it comes to wikipedia which has the alexa rank of 6


    As you can see, Windows holds the greatest share of used OS, which is fair to say that in this world Windows is the most popular OS to consumers. Developers target windows because it has the biggest share and everyone uses it meaning they can get a good amount of revenue from it. Mac is growing, fair to say that Mac is the 2nd most used OS in the world, developers are starting to port to mac so they can appeal to them, steam was put onto mac and now there is a wide range of games that utilize steamplay even though some games like Call of Duty, ARMA 2, super MNC etc are still yet to be ported to mac.

    Now Linux, even the iPhone, iPad and android, 3 mobile OS's beat the desktop/laptop OS by miles. It's 1% of the used OS, so probably the 3rd most used OS in the world for desktop/laptop computing. You see why not many people go to linux now? Nobody fucking uses it apart from some people, developers aren't going to target it, it's so low. Where's the revenue coming from with Linux? Probably no where, you guys are going to get a bunch of valve games and probably killing floor and that's it. It's nice to see steam come to linux but seriously you guys, you act like your Operating system is god tier, it's shit tier. Windows and Mac literally overshadow it, Linux has no proper advertising, Linux is just something you put on your computer to try out or to use if your laptop is classified as a legacy PC and you know future versions of windows won't even start on it. Sure, it's open source and fully customizable but seriously how many apps or programs that work for it isn't enough to make me dump windows 7.

    I'm sorry the Linux users of facepunch, your OS won't ever be superior over windows or mac.
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  23. Post #63
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    May 2008
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    Why are you guys getting excited, how many steam games do you currently own?

    Subtract all of the valve games in your list and then look at how many games run for windows and then look at the Windows+Mac (steamplay) games, now think to yourself how many of your favourites are in that pile.

    Let's look at a chart of widely used OS when it comes to wikipedia which has the alexa rank of 6


    As you can see, Windows holds the greatest share of used OS, which is fair to say that in this world Windows is the most popular OS to consumers. Developers target windows because it has the biggest share and everyone uses it meaning they can get a good amount of revenue from it. Mac is growing, fair to say that Mac is the 2nd most used OS in the world, developers are starting to port to mac so they can appeal to them, steam was put onto mac and now there is a wide range of games that utilize steamplay even though some games like Call of Duty, ARMA 2, super MNC etc are still yet to be ported to mac.

    Now Linux, even the iPhone, iPad and android, 3 mobile OS's beat the desktop/laptop OS by miles. It's 1% of the used OS, so probably the 3rd most used OS in the world for desktop/laptop computing. You see why not many people go to linux now? Nobody fucking uses it apart from some people, developers aren't going to target it, it's so low. Where's the revenue coming from with Linux? Probably no where, you guys are going to get a bunch of valve games and probably killing floor and that's it. It's nice to see steam come to linux but seriously you guys, you act like your Operating system is god tier, it's shit tier. Windows and Mac literally overshadow it, Linux has no proper advertising, Linux is just something you put on your computer to try out or to use if your laptop is classified as a legacy PC and you know future versions of windows won't even start on it. Sure, it's open source and fully customizable but seriously how many apps or programs that work for it isn't enough to make me dump windows 7.

    I'm sorry the Linux users of facepunch, your OS won't ever be superior over windows or mac.
    There are actually a lot of indie games for Linux.
    The Humble Indie Bundles have created a lot of new Linux games.

    But yeah, I agree that AAA games like Assassin's Creed or Crysis won't be ported.
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  24. Post #64
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    There are actually a lot of indie games for Linux.
    The Humble Indie Bundles have created a lot of new Linux games.

    But yeah, I agree that AAA games like Assassin's Creed or Crysis won't be ported.
    Indie games to me is just to pass the time when I have nothing better to do, AAA titles are games I play to get some sort of story or thrill.
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  25. Post #65
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    February 2008
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    Why are you guys getting excited, how many steam games do you currently own?

    Subtract all of the valve games in your list and then look at how many games run for windows and then look at the Windows+Mac (steamplay) games, now think to yourself how many of your favourites are in that pile.

    Let's look at a chart of widely used OS when it comes to wikipedia which has the alexa rank of 6


    As you can see, Windows holds the greatest share of used OS, which is fair to say that in this world Windows is the most popular OS to consumers. Developers target windows because it has the biggest share and everyone uses it meaning they can get a good amount of revenue from it. Mac is growing, fair to say that Mac is the 2nd most used OS in the world, developers are starting to port to mac so they can appeal to them, steam was put onto mac and now there is a wide range of games that utilize steamplay even though some games like Call of Duty, ARMA 2, super MNC etc are still yet to be ported to mac.

    Now Linux, even the iPhone, iPad and android, 3 mobile OS's beat the desktop/laptop OS by miles. It's 1% of the used OS, so probably the 3rd most used OS in the world for desktop/laptop computing. You see why not many people go to linux now? Nobody fucking uses it apart from some people, developers aren't going to target it, it's so low. Where's the revenue coming from with Linux? Probably no where, you guys are going to get a bunch of valve games and probably killing floor and that's it. It's nice to see steam come to linux but seriously you guys, you act like your Operating system is god tier, it's shit tier. Windows and Mac literally overshadow it, Linux has no proper advertising, Linux is just something you put on your computer to try out or to use if your laptop is classified as a legacy PC and you know future versions of windows won't even start on it. Sure, it's open source and fully customizable but seriously how many apps or programs that work for it isn't enough to make me dump windows 7.

    I'm sorry the Linux users of facepunch, your OS won't ever be superior over windows or mac.
    I sense massive butthurt coming from your general direction.

    The range of applications and ease of development is one win for Linux. The other is the fact that it's free in every sense of the word.
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  26. Post #66
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    I sense massive butthurt coming from your general direction.

    The range of applications and ease of development is one win for Linux. The other is the fact that it's free in every sense of the word.
    I'm not butthurt? I'm quite happy on windows, I've tried ubuntu and even though it was quite cool it didn't have my applications.

    WINE is an alternative but people say it's a piece of shit so I didn't even bother and besides native programs are always the best programs.

    Yeah, it's free, that's a bonus but what about the native programs? I do a lot of work with fireworks, sony vegas, fraps and I play triple A titles and record them so I can put that on YouTube, a lot of those things won't merely work with Linux. There's only 2 good uses for Linux and that is server hosting and customization.
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  27. Post #67
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    I'm not butthurt? I'm quite happy on windows, I've tried ubuntu and even though it was quite cool it didn't have my applications.

    WINE is an alternative but people say it's a piece of shit so I didn't even bother and besides native programs are always the best programs.

    Yeah, it's free, that's a bonus but what about the native programs? I do a lot of work with fireworks, sony vegas, fraps and I play triple A titles and record them so I can put that on YouTube, a lot of those things won't merely work with Linux. There's only 2 good uses for Linux and that is server hosting and customization.
    The only reason I still have windows on my computer is for Steam, once that hops on Linux I'd be perfectly content with completely removing Windows from my computer. There are a quite bit more things Linux can do than you think; for example, Android is running on a modified version of the linux kernel; hell, even OSX has UNIX roots.

    Wine works perfectly fine on my computer, I was even able to get Team Fortress 2 running almost as well as it would in a Windows capacity. My computer must be at least 3 years old, which has to say something.

    And if you're forced on linux, there are always free alternatives to programs that you use (but if needed, Wine could work, although I haven't tested it with things like Fireworks).

    Not to mention, your graph up there is a bit unfair- It includes iOS and Android as operating systems, when we're talking about OS X, Windows, and Linux alone.
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  28. Post #68
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    I'm not butthurt? I'm quite happy on windows, I've tried ubuntu and even though it was quite cool it didn't have my applications.

    WINE is an alternative but people say it's a piece of shit so I didn't even bother and besides native programs are always the best programs.

    Yeah, it's free, that's a bonus but what about the native programs? I do a lot of work with fireworks, sony vegas, fraps and I play triple A titles and record them so I can put that on YouTube, a lot of those things won't merely work with Linux. There's only 2 good uses for Linux and that is server hosting and customization.
    I take issue specifically with your statement that:
    Linux is just something you put on your computer to try out or to use if your laptop is classified as a legacy PC and you know future versions of windows won't even start on it.
    You're really off base. Linux is useful, and many productive, intelligent people use it for their daily work.
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  29. Post #69
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    I don't think I fit in with the criteria, sorry.
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  30. Post #70
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    You realize the majority of Windows users probably aren't gamers right? The majority probably don't even know there is a free alternative that will do exactly what they need. (Which is usually just web browsing and word processing these days.)

    Edited:

    Subtract all of the valve games in your list and then look at how many games run for windows and then look at the Windows+Mac (steamplay) games, now think to yourself how many of your favourites are in that pile.
    The majority of my games come from Valve or the Humble Bundles which all have Linux versions available. All the games I play are mainly Valve or indie. If I wanted to play a AAA game I would probably buy the console version of it because the majority of ports for the PC suck nowadays (Just look at Rockstar's Games).
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  31. Post #71
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    You realize the majority of Windows users probably aren't gamers right? The majority probably don't even know there is a free alternative that will do exactly what they need. (Which is usually just web browsing and word processing these days.)
    Or because they got Windows for "free" when they bought the computer.
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  32. Post #72
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    Or because they got Windows for "free" when they bought the computer.
    I'd be happy so have the option of saving around 1-200 USD for a computer without Windows 7.
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  33. Post #73
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    I'd be happy so have the option of saving around 1-200 USD for a computer without Windows 7.
    Not to mention the 10-15 trial programs pre-installed on windows machines. Also I feel like the OS user count is skewed because of all the dual-booters. I use Linux as my main os, but right now I'm in windows to play games.

    Once steam gets released for Linux, I feel like the counts will be slightly more accurate.
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  34. Post #74
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    Not to mention the 10-15 trial programs pre-installed on windows machines. Also I feel like the OS user count is skewed because of all the dual-booters. I use Linux as my main os, but right now I'm in windows to play games.

    Once steam gets released for Linux, I feel like the counts will be slightly more accurate.
    Completely true. The only thing, in actuallity, keeping me from Linux only, is that I have Valve games. Once they're ported, I'm all gone.
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  35. Post #75
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    February 2012
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    Completely true. The only thing, in actuallity, keeping me from Linux only, is that I have Valve games. Once they're ported, I'm all gone.
    I very rarely buy non-Valve games, so I could probably make the switch very easily too.
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  36. Post #76
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    All linux users will get a penguin hat in tf2. Calling it.
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  37. Post #77
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    I think when you're making games the API is a minor problem.
    Swapping out DirectX for OpenGL generally isn't a big deal.
    Ideally you'll have the game's graphics code abstracted to the point where you could quickly plug OpenGL methods into a few interfaces/abstract classes and you'd be able to switch between DirectX and OpenGL. Sadly, few games/engines have code clean enough to be able to do that nowadays.

  38. Post #78
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    Ideally you'll have the game's graphics code abstracted to the point where you could quickly plug OpenGL methods into a few interfaces/abstract classes and you'd be able to switch between DirectX and OpenGL. Sadly, few games/engines have code clean enough to be able to do that nowadays.
    But why do that when you could just use OpenGL exclusively? It'd make AMD clean up their shitty act for one.

    Edited:

    All linux users will get a penguin hat in tf2. Calling it.
    Can't wait for the internet tears from those who break their computers trying to install Linux.
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  39. Post #79
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    All linux users will get a penguin hat in tf2. Calling it.
    That would be awesome.
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  40. Post #80
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    seriously you guys, you act like your Operating system is god tier, it's shit tier. Windows and Mac literally overshadow it, Linux has no proper advertising
    Market share and advertising do not a good operating system make. Or more specifically, an operating system is not any better just because a lot of people use it.
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