[POLOPOZOZO]

ROFL and Fareed Zakaria was just talking about how their education is the best in the world yeah right.

[MountainWatcher]

Ganerumo posted:

And science is the purest form of good that has ever existed right

Because people have never used science as pretext for racism and discrimination right

Seriously grow the fuck up, nothing is black or white in this world, stop living in an illusion.

[Coffee]

RenegadeCop posted:

Sounds fine as long as it teaches all religions (including atheism, even though there's nothing to teach) unbiased (impossible with people) and equally.

Actually I think it went into issues such as religious based culture shock (such as wearing veils), extremism & terrorism and other issues that arise from religion. Christianity was hardly covered really.

[Atlascore]

There are going to be protests over this, huge ones, not even a third of South Korea's population is Christian, plus I doubt all Christians (especially in Korea) agree with the idea of creationism.

[LiquidNazgul]

Atlascore posted:

There are going to be protests over this, huge ones, not even a third of South Korea's population is Christian, plus I doubt all Christians (especially in Korea) agree with the idea of creationism.

Not only do I doubt it, I know it's true. I can never understand why some atheists think religious people are part of some monolithic hive-mind entity and must have the same political opinions, interpretations of certain aspects of their religion, and outlooks on life.

I remember someone calling liberal Christians "pick and choose Christians", which are apparently "the worst kind". So ultra-Orthodox Christians are the best kind?

[Parakon]

I wish more people believed in greek gods over jesus, greek gods were cool and did stuff. Jesus doesn't even compare.

[znk666]

sp00ks posted:

I'll get rated dumb for this, but let us all stop pretending religion is doing no harm. This shit is mainstream religion, not the work of extremists.
All religion is, by its very nature, extremely unscientific.

I can deal with the fact that it's unscientific,but the fact that it incites and promotes bigotry,hatred and death i cannot.

[markg06]

Clearly whoever deals with all the education stuff in South Korea is a Protoss fan and thinks stuff just appears out of thin air.

[Ganerumo]

Parakon posted:

I wish more people believed in greek gods over jesus, greek gods were cool and did stuff. Jesus doesn't even compare.

Greek gods were actually massive assholes who raped everyone and were fond of adultery and extremely painful, immoral punishment.

[Arsonist]

From the 2007 census (Graph from Wikipedia):



This makes their decision all the more strange

[Ganerumo]

And according to the greek mythology greeks wanted us to stay dumb and illiterate and savage, and they severely punished the one guy who helped us out.

[RenegadeCop]

And then Kratos came and killed them all, right?

[znk666]

Arsonist posted:

From the 2007 census (Graph from Wikipedia):



This makes their decision all the more strange

God probably intervened and converted all the blasphemers.

[RobbL]

The golden posted:

Well, have fun with raising a generation of students who are poorly educated and thus cannot get proper jobs and pay taxes.

What's being religious got to do with not getting proper jobs?

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Ganerumo posted:

Greek gods were actually massive assholes who raped everyone and were fond of adultery and extremely painful, immoral punishment.

Well people acknowledged the fact their gods weren't morally perfect and had their flaws

[Matthew0505]

Not surprising, it's Worst Korea

[geoface]

woah, did I just fucking travel back in time? NOPE, world gone full retard and


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[Electrocuter]

wat

[confinedUser]

znk666 posted:

I can deal with the fact that it's unscientific,but the fact that it incites and promotes bigotry,hatred and death i cannot.

you sir are challenged, let's see here what about the so called holy crusades? even though it says thou shall not kill people have killed any way and just put the word holy in front of it and it's ok. Religion not only promotes warfare, it separates people into groups and if your not in their group you are considered a heathen. Just take a look at the Spaniards for example they would go to different countries and ask people if they believed in the lord jesus christ. If they said no or ask who this jesus was they would kill them. So with that said I'm pretty sure promotes all that

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anyways back to korea.

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only teaching one thing? Wow their not going to increase in intelligence any time soon

[Electrocuter]

This reminds me of that Simpsons episode.

[confinedUser]

two people are butthurt religious folks

[Rapist]

how, what
what the fuck
what the fuck is wrong with these people

[RobbL]

znk666 posted:

I can deal with the fact that it's unscientific,but the fact that it incites and promotes bigotry,hatred and death i cannot.

How does creationism promote bigotry and murder?

[Sgt Doom]

-snip misread, d'oh-

[znk666]

RobbL posted:

How does creationism promote bigotry and murder?

Sp00ks was talking about religion in general at the time,not creationism.

[RobbL]

znk666 posted:

Sp00ks was talking about religion in general at the time,not creationism.

...But still?

[Cone]

znk666 posted:

I can deal with the fact that it's unscientific,but the fact that it incites and promotes bigotry,hatred and death i cannot.

I don't see how disbelieving evolution makes you any more violent than anyone else. sure, it makes you stupid or perhaps just very uninformed, but it doesn't necessarily make you any more violent or bigoted. I could be a pacifistic creationist as easily as I could be an omnicidal apatheist.

really, the majority of wars supposedly brought on entirely through religion have also been majorly political in nature. that's not to say there's no problems brought on by creationism, but to say that being a creationist makes you predisposed towards anything other than denying well-grounded evidence is just asinine.

[znk666]

RobbL posted:

...But still?

Read the Bible
Read the Qur'an
Read the Torah
Look at what religion has caused in the past and still is causing now.

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Cone posted:

I don't see how disbelieving evolution makes you any more violent than anyone else. sure, it makes you stupid or perhaps just very uninformed, but it doesn't necessarily make you any more violent or bigoted. I could be a pacifistic creationist as easily as I could be an omnicidal apatheist.

really, the majority of wars supposedly brought on entirely through religion have also been majorly political in nature. that's not to say there's no problems brought on by creationism, but to say that being a creationist makes you predisposed towards anything other than denying well-grounded evidence is just asinine.

I wasn't talking about creationism.

[sp00ks]

Ganerumo posted:

And science is the purest form of good that has ever existed right

Because people have never used science as pretext for racism and discrimination right

Seriously grow the fuck up, nothing is black or white in this world, stop living in an illusion.

When? Hitler said he used to science to promote racism and discrimination, but he wasn't.
Science doesn't say what's right and wrong, but how the world works.
Also, according to science there's no real difference between races, for example.

[RobbL]

Cone posted:

really, the majority of wars supposedly brought on entirely through religion have also been majorly political in nature.

I sort of agree, when people say about religion promoting war the examples they have in their heads are more down to political ideologies and a primal hunger for power that is irrespective of religion

[Cone]

znk666 posted:

Read the Bible
Read the Qur'an
Read the Torah
Look at what religion has caused in the past and still is causing now.

that's less a fundamental problem with religion itself and more due to the fact that those religions are very, very old, and thus have old beliefs and doctrines. if I made a religion nowadays, you can bet it wouldn't be anything like these.

see, I think your problem lies with specific religions that happen to be quite popular, not with religion itself. you said you could handle it being unscientific, so really there wouldn't be a problem if we could focus on anything less than finding excuses to kill eachother, which I believe is something people are far too attatched to to ever abandon.

[danharibo]

RobbL posted:

I sort of agree, when people say about religion promoting war the examples they have in their heads are more down to political ideologies and a primal hunger for power that is irrespective of religion

Religion is used as an excuse, and it's a horrible excuse at that.

[znk666]

RobbL posted:

I sort of agree, when people say about religion promoting war the examples they have in their heads are more down to political ideologies and a primal hunger for power that is irrespective of religion

I agree to an extent,some were some were not.
But thanks to religion they were easily justified.

[danharibo]

Cone posted:

that's less a fundamental problem with religion itself and more due to the fact that those religions are very, very old, and thus have old beliefs and doctrines. if I made a religion nowadays, you can bet it wouldn't be anything like these.

see, I think your problem lies with specific religions that happen to be quite popular, not with religion itself. you said you could handle it being unscientific, so really there wouldn't be a problem if we could focus on anything less than finding excuses to kill eachother, which I believe is something people are far too attatched to to ever abandon.

If you made a religion now it would be Naturalism.

[RobbL]

sp00ks posted:

When? Hitler said he used to science to promote racism and discrimination, but he wasn't.
Science doesn't say what's right and wrong, but how the world works.
Also, according to science there's no real difference between races, for example.

People have manipulated religion into an excuse for hatred, just like in your example their where Hitler manipulated science and used it as an excuse to persecute Jews when the majority of his motives were political

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znk666 posted:

I agree to an extent,some were some were not.
But thanks to religion they were easily justified.

All beliefs, regardless of whether they are religious, philosophical, politcal, or even scientific, have potential to be manipulated and used an an excuse to justify evil. These things aren't exclusive to religion

[Cone]

danharibo posted:

If you made a religion now it would be Naturalism.

well, if I made one, it probably would be. but if some guy who thinks that man came about when a giant fish ate a sea turtle wants to tell the world of his beliefs, he doesn't need to say "we should lynch gay people" or "if a woman gets raped she needs to marry her rapist" to be true to his religion. so, really, you don't need to be a bigoted, hate-filled war-monger to support religion, which is what znk was saying.

[znk666]

Cone posted:

that's less a fundamental problem with religion itself and more due to the fact that those religions are very, very old, and thus have old beliefs and doctrines. if I made a religion nowadays, you can bet it wouldn't be anything like these.

Yes but the issue is,that people often do not take that into account.
And those books themselves state they're the perfect word of god so you can't resort to metaphors or claim they're outdated,and people would rather listen to a celestial dictator they have never seen,heard,felt,spoke to or met than a scientist or generally someone knowledgeable.

[RobbL]

Cone posted:

so, really, you don't need to be a bigoted, hate-filled war-monger to support religion, which is what znk was saying.

That would be true if homophobia was a fundamental part of a religion, but that's not the case, anywhere
Like the fundamental part of Christianity is the belief in God and Jesus... you don't have to go any further than that to be a fully fledged Christian
Everything else in the Bible is either allegory or semi-historical stuff that represents society at the time and its values and norms

[Cone]

znk666 posted:

Yes but the issue is,that people often do not take that into account.
And those books themselves state they're the perfect word of god so you can't resort to metaphors or claim they're outdated,and people would rather listen to a celestial dictator they have never seen,heard,felt,spoke to or met than a scientist or generally someone knowledgeable.

yes, but what I'm saying is, forget those specific books. I'm not in any way an authority in any religion, but you need to forget these examples and look at the whole thing: you don't need to be super-violent to be religious. thus, religion is not the cause of the problem, but rather, that these specific religions you have cited are indeed often corrupted and bigoted.

[znk666]

RobbL posted:

People have manipulated religion into an excuse for hatred, just like in your example their where Hitler manipulated science and used it as an excuse to persecute Jews when his real motives were political

He was also rather convinced he's doing it for god,he technically used something that he was devoted to as a way of promoting his political campaign.

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Cone posted:

yes, but what I'm saying is, forget those specific books. I'm not in any way an authority in any religion, but you need to forget these examples and look at the whole thing: you don't need to be super-violent to be religious. thus, religion is not the cause of the problem, but rather, that these specific religions you have cited are indeed often corrupted and bigoted.

Exactly my point,it's specific religions that cause it.
But the problem is that these specific religions create the majority.

[Cone]

RobbL posted:

That would be true if homophobia was a fundamental part of a religion, but that's not the case, anywhere
Like the fundamental part of Christianity is the belief in God and Jesus... you don't have to go any further than that to be a fully fledged Christian
Everything else in the Bible is either allegory or semi-historical stuff that represents society at the time, and it's values and norms

well you do need to follow the ENTIRE bible if you want to fit the religion's definition of a Christian. it's cool if you don't and you still call yourself a Christian because in all honesty who the fuck cares what they think your beliefs are, but you're not really fitting what the majority would call a Christian. but of course, what the majority calls a Christian is what I call a vitriolic, loathsome, misogynistic cunt, so it's probably best if you don't listen too hard.