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Post #41
The New Testament says nothing about homosexuality.
Not allowing homosexuals to get married is discrimination, no matter what the church believes about homosexuality.
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And lutherans have always been pretty bro about gay people from what I've seen, at least the danish ones.
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Denmark? More like Menmark.
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it's because weddings have lost most religious connotations - well, to most people, anyway. most kids are brought up with the idea that one day, they'll stand in a chapel during some grand ceremony with their soon-to-be spouse and become newlyweds, and that includes kids who end up becoming gay adults... that desire and mentality sticks, so it kinda sucks that they get denied the opportunity
I mean, I get what you're saying, but compare it to something like Christmas. a lot of people celebrate it, but most people don't really celebrate it in a religious sense, even though it's supposed to be a celebration of Jesus Christ's birth.
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That was horrible and you should feel horrible
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I do. It's not even a real joke.That was horrible and you should feel horrible
Still, congrats Denmark. I should imagine there's a lot of gay honeymoons on the horizon.
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I LOVE IT WHEN SANIUS HAS HIS ROCK HARD TWO INCH COCK UP MY TIGHT LITTLE ASS.
August 2006
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gay marriage was legal in Maine until a referendum came about
fuck
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its not supposed to be to anyone who's not christian, its not even a christian holiday to begin with
but anyway, i thought denmark had done this long ago seeing how its a scandinavian country, but good that they did it at last.
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We technically had, like we could get married, but not in a church.
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As far as I remember we were the first to make legal gay marriage possible, we were just a bit slow on this one.
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Gays started to spread the AIDS, so i somewhat understand on why some people hate them to death.
(it was originally gay - disease, till it expanded to straight people.)
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1k+ yrs ago loving children was normal and even encouraged in some cultures. Our current culture finds it horrible, that's why people in the current culture find it horrible.
October 2011
5,902 PostsUmm no it wasn't. Gays were used as a scapegoat.
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how can you be this uninformed
It was more rampant in the gay community than the straight, but it wasn't limited to gay people ever.
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I wrote a long-ass post in Danish on facebook explaining why the current church-system we have is best for us. I'll just quote it, but for non-danes, all it amounts up to is that if it's changed, we risk going all badshit towards a muslim-like state, where church controls state OR we go the american way and everyone just gets seriously focused and sensationalistic about all of the things that matter shit-all. I also clarify that out national church isn't much more than a state-driven ceremonial institution and by virtue of being state-driven, can't discriminate people for things they can't help being.
Really. Religion really means near to nothing to us as a nation. The only reason there is so much animosity towards Muslims specifically is due to a narrowminded fear that they'll start infiltrating our government and start passing laws in accordance to Sharia or whatever. Just watch any real-film produced here since 1998 or any of the animated films of late and you should work out that we're far from squeamish and polite enough to have any kind of socially enforced religion.
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In Danish it's longass.. "Christian longass"
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It's been an over-blown public discussion and we're not used to having irrelevant religious discussions on a national level. Never had one before. We're more concerned with important subjects, like social prosperity, educational issues, health concerns, free speech (big thing since the Muhammed shitstorm). With all of those subjects comes responsibility to keep the discussion within sensibility, so they take a wildly different direction than in Britain or America where one descends into fist fighting and the other into an incoherrent screaming competition.
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Aldrig hørt om Lange Løg?
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straight people started every other disease...
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High school education is obligatory either, but imagine if they discriminated against homosexuals.
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AIDS being one of the few, which still doesnt have a cure.
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Isn't* and who discriminated against Homosexuals? Education is to be legally available to all who qualify, since it's managed by state. The minimal requirement for High-School/College is 9th Grade exams passed. Minimal requirements for University is Passed College. The reason for these requirements are more about qualification than discrimination.
If they banned Homosexuals, Denmark would implode. It's not in our DNA to restrict anyone by law. We just cuss them out and abuse them verbally in a jokey manner. Leave it to Republicans and the Middle-East to talk about legal preferences to a certain social group.
We were the first country with Legalized porn. We don't give a shit about restricting much of anything ever. Except for a few minor hickups possibly.
Point still stands. services provided by the state has to treat each national equally to the others or at least with a common minimum denominator that is acceptable.
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Hvorfor føler jeg for at finde nogle gamle Mogens Glistrup klip frem? Når ja, det er fordi han er så skudt i hovedet som denne debat har været.
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Not allowing homosexuals to get married in a state run church is discrimination.
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It would appear that gonedead0 is a butthurt homophobe. Mind posting so that we may laugh at your expense?
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Exactly, you're saying to a whole bunch of people (some of which are steady churchgoers) "why would you want to be a part of something that hates you so much?" (which is an incredibly un-Christian message from the church by the way). The idea that Gays should just be like "yeah, screw Christianity, we don't even want to get married anymore" is absurd, because guess what, Christians aren't the only ones who get married...EVERYBODY grows up expecting to get married and you're just shoving Gays into the corner and saying "hey guys, you're not allowed to do this one thing that everyone else does, but you'll get over it."
And anybody who acts like gay marriage infringes their religious rights can go fuck themselves with a tire iron. The same exact shit was used to try and block interracial marriage, but you don't see social conservatives talking about that anymore, do you?
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Thats pretty cool, the screen. imagine having a live feed on scale of a country :O
Picture of who voted for, against and neither.
thats stupid. like saying allowing a crime to happen in a police station is stupid. or enforcing law in a criminal hideout is stupid (i put both sides so not to pick on the sensitive anti/pro christrian fp crowd).
christians dont like homosexuals. must you annoy them and ask for marriages in their churches? abiding by religion should be the least of their concerns if they are "doomed to hell" because of their orientation.
just go to the state run court which accepts them
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Big difference there, though, between interracial marriage and gay marriage: the bible doesn't say anything about that. What you need to understand is that getting married ISN'T a Christian thing anymore, which is why there's an alternative. You can go down to city hall, get the official ceremoni done and have a big fancy wedding. What most people are so keen to have isn't a church wedding as such, it's just all the other stuff. They want fancy clothes, fancy food, a big party and so on, which is fully possibly even if you don't get married in a church.
I don't really give a fuck about whether or not they're able to get married in a church, I mean, if that's how it is, fine by me, but it's the whole discussion and the fact that Folkepartiet has decided that every priest, even those who do not wish to do so, have to wed gay people. I think it should be individual from priest to priest.
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What some of the people here probably don't understand is that lutheran(The state religion) priests actually don't mind this, they're all for it.
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That's just ONE of the awesome things that happen when you have priests that don't believe the bullshit they spout. Even an atheist priest is the best priest. Food for thought.
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It's mainly due to lutheran christianity being nothing like the fire and brimstone american ones. From what I remember it's pretty much "don't be a dick mmk"
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This post makes no sense. I'm pretty sure that most priests believe the "bullshit" they spout (and in the case of Danish priests I'd argue that they're pretty damn reasonable), but the Danish priests have just cut back on the bullshit.
I'm an atheist, but I have been to a christian camp a few times (without this being some funky extreme camp with "love Jesus" night and day, or even much focus on it at all), and the priest there is probably one of the people I've met that had most knowledge of life. He didn't preach the bible much or anything, he told stories of his childhood, adolescence and when he was a young man, and he just told us what he had learned from them. This has nothing to do with gay marriage, but many priests are very fien people. That's all I'm saying.
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Luther was a dick himself, no question about that. Extremely conservative and he justified the killings of a lot of peasants. He just had some different views on the church and christianity.
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Yeah not arguing about luther being a dick or not, he totally was, but modern lutheran christianity seems pretty bro. And that priest you were talking about sounds pretty much like every lutheran priest I've ever met (I'm atheist myself, but I like discussing religion and other things with priests since it's always nice to get a second opinion)
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Actually there are treatments for it now that can essentially stop the HIV virus, and we do have a cure for AIDS just now but it requires a fully body blood transplant which is inherently retardedly dangerous.
But again there's other treatments.
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Are the black dots people who aren't there?
If so, you have the same problem as Sweden.
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Yep, and I wouldn't call it a problem.
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Which proves my point. You don't go though 8 years of studies in every mythology without working out how bullshit the religion of Christianity is and how hard it's plagiarised. What priests believe in is the Philosophical message and that's what they preach. I've been in both the average danish camp and the mad-hatter nutcase camp and i'll tell you... that has zero relevance at all!
What it is, is that we've got a church that is largely ceremonial and that's it. We have priests who have got too large a perspective on mythologies to believe one that is so obviously plagiarised and flawed. They only preach the philosophy because there's no way in all nine hells that you Finnish the Theology class as a religious man. In fact, most who start there as believers get majorly butthurt and leave because the course treats it as a mythology and puts it on the same level as other religions and mythologies.
It's almost more philosophical than philosophy class, because in Philosophy class, you get to cover some big names like Socrates, Nietzsche and whatever, but Theology covers local philosophy... What the average Joe thought or was taught to think. Now THAT is high-level analysis right there. What made the vikings tick? What made ancient Persia tick? What was the world view? That's a major part of the course. That and analysing scriptures from all corners of the earth and all ages.
There's a reason that it's an 8 year education.
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Religion has now learned not to fuck with the danish state :V
BTW: For the people who still aren't getting it: Gays have been allowed to "marry" here for a long time, now they can also get married in a church.
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Let me quote your first post:
Now let me quote some of your post:
If you combine the very clear meanings of these statements, you're saying that priests spout "philosophical bullshit" and they don't believe what they're spouting, even though they believe in it. I'm not saying that what you're saying is wrong, but the post I replied to is radically different from the post you posted just now, and therefore I think it's safe to say that the new argument has zero relevance to the former.
Anyhow, what are they supposed to believe in? Everything the Bible says? No church or priest has ever preached every word of the Bible as the final truth, and the catholic church actually made some substantial changes to it in their translation to latin (like including the church and so on), so why is it so bad that some priests are now distancing themselves from parts of the Bible? That's what we've been doing all along. So I'm going to go ahead and say that whatever "bullshit" a priest may be spouting, whether purely philosophical or biblical, it is highly probable that it's a subjective and personal choice, and that they believe it themselves.
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This is wrong. Gay couples getting married in a church.. It goes against christanity as homosexuality is a sin under god.
I don't care about them getting married only that it not be in a church\holy place.
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Only thing wrong I see with this vote were the representatives (who I assume) chose not to vote or weren't their to vote. Doesn't feel right to me when you have only half of the elected members of parliament voting on such an important issue.
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That's between them and God. It shouldn't matter how much you care.
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This is how it goes on in Denmark. If someone in the parliament feel that the vote didn't represent the whole picture, they can say so. And if they really had an opinion on this they would've just come themselves. They decided themselves not to show up for the discussion, and having all people in the parliament at the same time isn't very efficient either way.
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