Just as you can say both "women shouldn't be allowed to vote" and "women are beautiful" in the same breath, so is that hatred.
Yet again: You are judged by your behavior, not your innermost thoughts.
If you behave in a hateful way, you are hateful, no matter what your psyche is really like. Until you can start reading minds, the world will continue to work this way.
Stop arguing semantics.
Also, nice try at insult there.
What exactly are you expecting me to say? That I'm okay with you assaulting another human being in any context whatsoever? Fucking no. Even if it's 'self defense' I'm calling the police.
Violence is violence. I'm not okay with you hurting people, ever, you weird sadist.
Vigilance is absolutely necessary. The first suspicion of domestic abuse warrants investigation, considering it often happens away from prying eyes with no recourse or ways to call for help for the abused parties.
You don't just get to hit a woman and then say "I only hit her once."
Domestic abuse happens within the public eye so incredibly rarely that the moment you catch a glimpse of it, you make your assumptions for the sake of the victim.
It's called hedging your bets. If you assume domestic abuse and you're wrong, no charges get filed. If you assume domestic abuse and you're right, a life is saved.
If you do not assume domestic abuse and you're wrong, someone could die.
The same goes for cases of crimes against children. The moment a kid says "he touched me," you give them the benefit of the doubt because it's the safest course of fucking action. If you don't and they're telling the truth, they go back to being abused and/or killed.
Also FYI, the abused party is the one who has to press charges. This means if you accuse a man of domestic abuse, the victim is the one who needs to file charges against him and provide evidence. Usually it takes the form of hospital records, recorded proof of injuries, testimony of other family members, character witnesses, etc.
Sorry if I'm wording that poorly or making no sense. My mind is hopping around to different points and it's late at night so I'm tired and too lazy to proofread too much.
Alright, alright, I will not try to give anymore examples, alright? Just forget that domestic abuse stuff, that wasn't even close to the point, by a mile.
The only reason it's not "close to the point" is because I didn't give you the answer that would have been convenient to your argument.
And I'm using your logic against you. You're saying that we can't read minds, so we can't assume the meaning behind actions, yet you are assuming prejudice and stereotyping are instantly hateful even though nothing claims they are always 100% of the time out of hatred or hateful. How can you jump to the conclusion that it's hateful if you can't read minds? How can you jump to the conclusion that it's not hateful if you can't read minds? How can you jump to any conclusions about actions if you can't read minds?
If a person makes any exception to any sort of rule, then that undermines their stance on that rule.
Pal, you're the one arguing a strict fucking definition of the word "hatred," when I've made it very clear that hatred can take more forms than the overt hatred you seem to be referring to.
You admit that subtle prejudice is hateful.
I'm sure you agree that paying a woman less for doing the same job as a man would qualify as both hateful and misogynistic.
I'm sure you would agree that government-sanctioned, legal lynchings were hateful and racist despite the rationalizations made in the kangaroo court and the firm denials of racism.
I'm sure you would agree that vaudeville was racist.
I'm sure you would agree that wife-beating is hateful (even if the wife-beater expresses love for his wife, which most of them do. "I love her too much" is a defense you hear very often.)
Hatred is not so simple as to put it in a box and say "this is hatred." Hatred can be overt. It can be subtle.
Hatred can be either conscious or unconscious.
Hatred can be instinctual or it can be cerebral.
Hatred can look a hell of a lot like love.
The only things we have to judge hatred upon are actions and words. If the actions and the words constitute hatred, it is hatred, regardless of its motivations.
Prejudice is not a hateful act if it's not out of hatred.
Can you read minds? No. Therefore you can not assume the former or the latter.
Prejudice is a preconceived opinion/judgement. You can't argue that it's hateful or not unless you know the true motives of the individual displaying prejudice.
Never does a hateful person consider themselves truly hateful.
They always feel justified.
That doesn't make them any less hateful.
If that kind of bullshit were how the world worked, we would have no laws, no courts, no discourse or conversation.
Nobody gives a fuck about your innermost thoughts, only how you behave. If you behave in such a way which is hateful, you are hateful.
Now, you know exactly what I mean by "hatred." Stop pretending you can't make inferences about the world.
Dumb post made at 3 in the morning
Now answer my questions and stop FUCKING avoiding them.
Par for the course, pal.
The cops show up even in cases of self defense. You don't just beat a motherfucker down in self defense and walk away. That's a felony. Fleeing a crime scene. Cops get called in every case of violence.
Because all violence is bad.
Stop arguing self defense when you clearly haven't defended yourself from so much as a fucking bumble bee in your entire life.
I just realized that this thread would probably be very easy to troll.
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I like how this got 60 pages. One thing's for sure, she sure stirred the pot.
All the arguments
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Threads like this always end up the same way, I have not seen one which hasn't been a repetitive, semantic filled shitpile of stupidity and genuinely terrible opinions which gets resurrected every. single. day. by idiots who haven't bothered to read any of the discourse which has happened thus far.
To conclude, for the 4th fucking time, lock this piece of shit thread
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remember when the thread was about video games lmao
ps lankist is right
masochists get pleasure over hurting themselves, he gets annoyed by this thread so no, not a masochist