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It does not work that way. Creativity is inspired by the life around the artist and is based on the previous installments. Trying to enforce rules upon any form of creative work will not do. Doing so will only result in sparking ridicules.
And that's not what I'm trying to say, at all. What I'm saying is it will "fix" itself, as in it will bring itself to reflect the modern world more precisely. It is already happening, gradually. But trying to speed it up a bit will only turn into farce. Feminism - or whatever people are going to call it, will just be ridiculed.
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Super Meat Boy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAOVxpVT6hA
Regardless... I can't think of that many games these days anymore that still have damsels in distress :S
Aside from Mario, I can't think of many. One might think of Zelda, but she has also frequently broke that stereotype by for example being the leader of a Pirate crew bossing you around (Tetra) or by doubling as the mysterious masked person that helps you (Sheik).
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snip, broken merge.
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A kickstarter to raise funds to end video game sexism?
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Why stop there, why not a kickstarter to raise funds to stop teen pregnancy
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Ico.Super Meat Boy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAOVxpVT6hA
Regardless... I can't think of that many games these days anymore that still have damsels in distress :S
Aside from Mario, I can't think of many. One might think of Zelda, but she has also frequently broke that stereotype by for example being the leader of a Pirate crew bossing you around (Tetra) or by doubling as the mysterious masked person that helps you (Sheik).
Shadow Of The Colossus.
The Darkness.
Limbo.
Just from the top of my head
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Oh. Haven't played any of them
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I've seen Limbo however, although I've never thought of the sister as a damsel in distress.
Technically yes, but I don't think she's portrayed as a weak woman love interest rather than as a small girl that's also your sister.
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Then again, if she is, that would make the protagonist's daughter in Dead Rising 2 a damsel in distress too.
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Also wasn't the plot in one of the silent hill games that the protagonist is trying to find his missing daughter?
Hmm... I guess that would make her a damsel in distress too, but I don't see how that's sexist rather than just a father trying to save someone he loves.
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the protagonist in limbo is a kid as well
the protagonist in silent hill and dead rising is an adult
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Riiight... so umm...
I have issues seeing family members as sexist damsels in distress :S
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Can't say much about the other games you mentioned though since I've never played them or seen them played much
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I think that's going far off topic with something like Limbo. Unless you think fuzzy silhouettes are sexual objects or whatever, how could that really apply to Limbo? The protagonist's sister is trapped in Limbo and you are trying to save her (and yourself) from the place. The end is no more than a heartwarming reunion between two shadows.
I don't see it being considered a damsel in distress kind of game because it doesn't have the same implications as something like Zelda or Mario or whatever, where those character's are generally portrayed as weak.
Limbo is supposed to feel like you are barely gripping to survival as you search for your half-dead sister.
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In Heart of Darkness you're a small boy that jumps on a spaceship to rescue his dog that was kidnapped by the shadowlord, would the dog be an example of a male damsel in distress
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if lankist brings up that that kickstarter/indiegogo is making less money than the misogyny one I will facepalm.
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no, it would be an example of a mcguffinIn Heart of Darkness you're a small boy that jumps on a spaceship to rescue his dog that was kidnapped by the shadowlord, would the dog be an example of a male damsel in distress?
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I can see your point, but it's always the brother rescuing the sister, never the other way around.
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yo, the dog ain't human.In Heart of Darkness you're a small boy that jumps on a spaceship to rescue his dog that was kidnapped by the shadowlord, would the dog be an example of a male damsel in distress?
unless you meant dogg.
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1k+ yrs ago loving children was normal and even encouraged in some cultures. Our current culture finds it horrible, that's why people in the current culture find it horrible.
October 2011
5,902 PostsHow about mansel in distress? Replace princess with prince. The protagonist can stay a guy. Support gay rights yes.
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that's cool.
i'd like to see that.
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Nope, although it is wearing a hat, just like a human.
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bummer
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guys get incapped 3x more than girls in l4d and l4d2
omfg misandry.
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aren't there 3 times as many guys?
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(exactly my point, so guys get incapped 3x more often, hence they need to be rescued 3x more often xP)
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I'm going over to TV tropes to see if I can see any male examples of damsels in distress.
Pray for me guys, there's no telling if I'll ever make it back.
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Hmm... Luigi's mansion comes to mind where the whole plot is that Mario's gone missing in the haunted house and has ended up trapped inside a painting... then again, Mario is Luigi's brother... so again it's the whole family situation.
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I just have TVtropes open as a separate tab. That ensures my safety from surfing it days on end.
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god damn it, stop breaking my automerge.
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You're one to talk
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CoD4 has plenty of "dude in distress" situations (and one "damsel in distress")
but yeah.
Griggs in the Russian house, etc.
MW3 continues the misogyny with the russian president's daughter, but by and far the series is more about "dudes in distress"
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the point isn't that dudes aren't in distress, but that it's never the women who save them. it's pretty much always other dudes.
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then bf2 subverts that in the MEC faction
because it's the ladies up top in the command centers that call in arty, supply drops, etc that support the male ground infantry.
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Wait, are you really saying that in the series, where mostly dudes are "in distress", occasional women in this role is still a misogyny? This makes "Green-monster-which-is-not-human-and-don't-have-gender in distress" sound like the only way.
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http://www.indiegogo.com/misandryinvideogames
Relevant.
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Well, there's the Super Princess Peach game where princess Peach has to rescue Mario and Luigi
I also think the plot in Monkey Island 2 has you rescued by the damsel in distress too, who for the record does not at all need much help at all to be rescued by you, in fact, you tend to mess up her plans with your attempts to save her.
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She still got demoted back to damsel status in both those games, though in Ocarina she at least provided fire support during the final boss.
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if you consider the dialogue that discusses said women in said role, yes it is (for the russian president's daughter, not the downed heli pilot in cod4)
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As for movies... Saving private Ryan maybe?
Although he isn't being saved by women though...
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True.
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frozen synapse ftw
you're not a "GUY" helping the women and men, you're a genderless, amorphous, AI called "Tactics" because that's you're good at.
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Haven't seen anything misogynystic in said dialogue.
But that's probably because I couldn't hear it over the sound of everything going to hell, like it always is in CoD. But I can expect soldiers, - on a battlefield, - to call names and be somewhat disrespectful towards just about anyone. There's no misogyny anyway. Disrespect to said woman, yes, maybe. Since when disrespecting particular woman, or, in this case, woman-looking-imaginary-characther is misogynystic?
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How is it misogyny? She's used as leverage to start the war, not "Hey guys look we hate/mistrust women".
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well, the usual banter about dropping in for a date and saving the miss and stuff.
It's just hollywood action script writing, it can be expected but not excused if you want to look at it from that perspective.
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again, I'm using the term misogyny in the most blanket way where yes, disrespect towards one woman can be equated to that.
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Then just call it 'disrespect', it's not 'hatred or mistrust' (which is the goddamn definition of misogyny)
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But that's wrong no matter how many times you repeat it. Misogyny as a fact can only be on some scale. Hating (or mistreating) women for their gender, and thus - a lot of women, all of them. While Delta or whoever there were had shown disrespect towards the one, particular, woman. Sexism is something that's done repeatedly.
I still can't get it why people are repeatedly getting offended all of a sudden by something that was around for thousands of years. Religious people, feminists...
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