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    (CNN) –“All we wanna do is adopt a highway,” said April Chambers, secretary of the North Georgia chapter of the Ku Klux Klan. “We're not doing it for publicity. We're doing it to keep the mountains beautiful. People throwing trash out on the side of the road ... that ain't right."

    For many Americans, the Ku Klux Klan has been a symbol for terrorism, racism and evil in America, synonymous with burning crosses, lynchings and hooded men.

    Even today, the name evokes vociferous discussion about the rights of a local group to adopt a highway in North Georgia, which was recently denied.

    But is the latest effort to adopt a highway an introduction of a new era of a kinder, gentler Klan or merely an effort to gain attention? After more than a century and a half, what is the Ku Klux Klan today?


    "We're not racists," Chambers told CNN Monday. "We just want to be with white people. If that's a crime, then I don't know. It's all right to be black and Latino and proud, but you can't be white and proud. I don't understand it."

    Harley Hanson, who filed the application to adopt the highway for the International Keystone Knights Realm of Georgia, concurred: “I love my race. Does that make me wrong? I’m proud to be white,” he told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

    Today, when speaking to leaders of the Klan, you won't hear racial epithets or a denunciation of any ethnic groups.

    "We do not hate anyone,” said Frank Ancona, the imperial wizard of the Traditionalist American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. “The true Ku Klux Klan is an organization that is looking out for the interests of the white race. It is a fraternal organization, and we do good works.”

    Ancona's words are a contrast to criminal acts historically associated with the Klan - a divergence from intimidating images of hooded figures with lit crosses cutting through a dark night.

    "We look out for the interest of our family first, I feel that other races feel the same way - it's a natural instinct, " he adds.

    After all, who can argue with anyone about taking care of one's loved ones or cleaning up a national highway?

    "These groups are interested in the press they know they are going to get off this – it doesn’t have anything to do with improving the world," said Mark Potok, editor in chief of the Intelligence Report, which tracks hate groups and extremists for the Southern Poverty Law Center.

    Potok concludes that it is not a kinder, gentler Ku Klux Klan but merely a sign of the times.


    “Even the Klan recognizes there is no way that they can recreate America as an all-white country,” he said.

    The group began as a fraternal organization, founded by Confederate veterans after the Civil War. At its height, Ku Klux Klan members were politicians, advertising gurus, journalists, businessmen and women with powerful political and social influence. In the 1920s, membership swelled to 4 million to 5 million, fueled in part by the popularity of "A Birth of a Nation," a 1915 silent film that extolled the virtues of the Klan. The civil rights era witnessed a resurgence of the group, and it still exists today with 4,000 to 5,000 members nationally.

    "I wonder why they characterize us as a hate group? Who do we hate?" Ancona said. "I know what the perception is; people come up to us and they hate us."

    When speaking to him via phone, Ancona insists that there is a not a "rebranding" of the KKK. Instead, there is a focus on the original values of the Klan that have been distorted by "rogue" members and a mischaracterization by media.

    "We are doing all we can to dispel the negative images," said Ancona. "If we find out one of our members was charged with a crime, or immoral behavior, we might give them a warning first, but we try to keep a tight eye on that. We have a thorough screening process to weed out troublemakers. I can only speak for the Traditional Knights, but none of our members are criminals."

    Ancona sends out Twitter messages, has a modest following and speaks earnestly about the traditions of the Klan. He speaks with special conviction when talking about the standard by which he strives to live.

    "Jesus Christ is our criteria of character. If you look at Romans 12:1-2, that is how Klans are supposed to live, that is the standard, " he explained. "We do not burn the cross, we light the cross to show that Christ is the light of the world."

    When pressed for how historical killings intersect with with Christian teachings of loving one another, he answers that the criticism the group faces is similar to the contempt directed at his example.

    "We do this even though we know we will be hated and scorned, we sacrifice and serve for what's right - to uphold the principle that were taught by Jesus Christ of Nazareth and ensure that we give our children and their grandchildren America we had."


    An independent contractor, Ancona says he is not paid for his work leading the Midwest chapter. He does the work "because I feel that I am doing something good for my fellow man."

    He believes there is nothing hateful in the Klan bylaws and contends that while the organization has had "a dark past," it is not dissimilar to that of the action of some priests actions in the Catholic Church or a producer cutting misleading clips in on a story about George Zimmerman: you don't judge the whole for a few bad parts.

    "I would want people to know that we are here, and we are not to be feared. The Klan is looking out for the white race, to preserve our rights and our history. The Klan looks out for America as our forefathers did."

    Mark Pitcavage, the director of investigative research for the Anti-Defamation League, characterizes Ancona's group as "sort of the big dog" of the Ku Klux Klan now.

    Pitcavage is a former military historian who began researching militia minutemen and later right-wing extremism. He characterizes the Klan as "group of hard-core white supremacists that are motivated by a belief that the white race is in danger of extinction."

    He says white supremacy is composed of five main movements: Neo-Nazis, traditional white supremacist groups, racist skinheads, racist prison gangs and Christian Identity, whose religious adherents believe they are descended from lost tribes of Israel.

    The current Klan is not one cohesive group, and is considered one of the traditional white supremacist groups, which emerged in the the civil rights era.


    "The situation that existed in the 1950s and '60s simply does not exist. The white supremacists are no longer in charge. They are now fighting for the very survival of the white race, and they have to fight to protect," said Pitcavage. "This is a fundamental difference of the Ku Klux Klan in the 1950s and today in the 21st century.”

    In the past 60 years, several chapters of the Klan have made efforts to be involved in more civic-minded projects, such as adopting highways.

    The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan – the Harrison, Arkansas, group that David Duke once led - tried doing it. There was also a group in Missouri that won a lawsuit to adopt a highway, and most recently, the North Georgia group that was denied the permit.
    Source: http://inamerica.blogs.cnn.com/2012/...l-wizard-says/

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    imperial wizard...
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    this title is hilarious
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    Imperial wizard, fuck I would join the KKK just to get a title like that.
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    So a group founded out of hate for others claims not to hate anyone? Okay then.
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    It's funny because they hate blacks and jews and stuff
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    Yea if there is one thing the kkk did right it was to give themself awesome sounding ranks
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    They should send a black guy with a hidden camera into one of their villages asking for directions. Then we shall see.
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    Reminds me of the rank-up's in "Duty Calls."
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    Obviously everyone is just overreacting to what the KKK has been doing and saying for the past hundred or so years.
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    Well if that is true they should start their own organization not join one that is based on hatred, racism and violence.
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    take fucking heed: just because you say you're not racist, doesn't mean you aren't
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    They've got some really amusing terminology

    Klabee: treasurers
    Klavern: local organization
    Imperial Kleagle: recruiter
    Klecktoken: initiation fee
    Kligrapp: secretary
    Klonvocation: gathering
    Kloran: ritual book
    Kloreroe: delegate
    Imperial Kludd: chaplain
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    Well, at least they aren't lynching people, I guess.
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    I can't help but think that the modern KKK is a bit like the Hell's Angels. HA do a lot of charity work, but their darker chapters stay in the foreground.
    Although if that is the case with the KKK, at least change your name. A few small issues need to be shrugged off.
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    Imperial wizard, fuck I would join the KKK just to get a title like that.
    "Imperial Wizard" probably looks awesome in your employment history until the place you're applying at sees you were in he KKK.
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    "Imperial Wizard" probably looks awesome in your employment history until the place you're applying at sees you were in he KKK.
    I dunno man the fact that he is a wizard might outweigh the fact that hes racist
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    "We're not racists," Chambers told CNN Monday. "We just want to be with white people. If that's a crime, then I don't know. It's all right to be black and Latino and proud, but you can't be white and proud. I don't understand it."
    I never got the point of being proud of your skin color. "Congratulations, Bill, you were born white!" Would you NOT be proud of your race if you were black? What's the point of being proud of some arbitrary detail that you were handed at birth? This goes for every skin color.

    How about we be proud of something that you actually had to work for, like an education or a job or something.
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    I never got the point of being proud of your skin color. "Congratulations, Bill, you were born white!" Would you NOT be proud of your race if you were black? What's the point of being proud of some arbitrary detail that you were handed at birth? This goes for every skin color.

    How about we be proud of something that you actually had to work for, like an education or a job or something.
    There is black history month, Hispanic history month, etc. He does have a point, what is wrong with them wanting to have white pride? It is no different then any other pride.

    I don't support any of the crimes and hate speech they have committed. But I'm simply playing devils advocate. Why the double standard.

    As others said, if they're truly wanting to promote that idea. They should break off and create a different organization.
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    I dunno man the fact that he is a wizard might outweigh the fact that hes racist
    Just don't expect any black magic.
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    Why do we not have a white history month?

    Let's face it, people...whites have, historically, had it made in the shade. Like the Louis CK bit.. .a white guy can get into a time machine, go to literally any period in history, and find that shit is pretty sweet for white people.

    White history month? Don't be greedy. . .pretty much EVERY month is white history month already.
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    Why do we not have a white history month?

    Let's face it, people...whites have, historically, had it made in the shade. Like the Louis CK bit.. .a white guy can get into a time machine, go to literally any period in history, and find that shit is pretty sweet for white people.

    White history month? Don't be greedy. . .pretty much EVERY month is white history month already.
    Don't be greedy? Really? People make contributions to history. Their outstanding character (Or terrible character/morals) and the way they carry themselves get them in to history. Sometimes their race and background come to play. But being a black person/white person/etc didn't make them the person they are (Most of the time). It is more then that.
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    Why do we not have a white history month?

    Let's face it, people...whites have, historically, had it made in the shade. Like the Louis CK bit.. .a white guy can get into a time machine, go to literally any period in history, and find that shit is pretty sweet for white people.

    White history month? Don't be greedy. . .pretty much EVERY month is white history month already.
    IIRC white people had it pretty shit during the middle ages. A lot of their gains in recent times have been due to the early appearance of the industrial revolution in Europe and the preceding colonization that was aided by the introduction of new life forms to the New World such as earthworms and bees.
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    They've got some really amusing terminology

    Klabee: treasurers
    Klavern: local organization
    Imperial Kleagle: recruiter
    Klecktoken: initiation fee
    Kligrapp: secretary
    Klonvocation: gathering
    Kloran: ritual book
    Kloreroe: delegate
    Imperial Kludd: chaplain
    Ranking Positions of the KKK:

    Grand Imperial Wizard- this is the leader of all KKK dens across the country. He is assisted by 10 "Genii," and has been described as "autocratic."
    Grand Magi- He serves as a sort of "vice-president" to the organization and can act as deputy wizard.
    Grand Scribe-This person serves as secretary of the Klan and takes detailed accounts of the meetings.
    Grand Dragon of the Realm- He presides over his assigned state or "realm" with eight "Hydras" to assist him.
    Grand Titan of the Dominion-The Grand Titan governs a Dominion, or several counties in a state, and is assisted by six "Furies."
    Grand Giant of the Province- He ran each "Province," which was a County, and had 4 "Night Hawks"(messengers) as assistants.
    Grand Cyclops- The Grand Cyclops ran an individual Den, and was assisted by 2 Night Hawks.
    Lictors- These were the guards for the Den meetings.
    Ghouls-This name refers all members
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    if they didn't have such a fucked up history as an organisation, stupid costumes and corny titles then I would of given them the benefit of the doubt.
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    It's funny because they hate blacks and jews and stuff
    I hate blacks and jews and stuff too if they are assholes.

    (User was banned for this post ("Racism" - Craptasket))
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    I'd hate blacks and jews and stuff if that could get people to call me Imperial Wizard
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    I never got the point of being proud of your skin color. "Congratulations, Bill, you were born white!" Would you NOT be proud of your race if you were black? What's the point of being proud of some arbitrary detail that you were handed at birth? This goes for every skin color.

    How about we be proud of something that you actually had to work for, like an education or a job or something.
    Relevant.

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    I don't think you realize the kkk isn't a singular established organisation anymore, but rather several independent organisations that all fly the same flag. They all have different views on everything.

    Still, it sounds a bit odd for someone from any kkk organisation to be saying that stuff considering the history of the kkk as a whole.
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    Don't be greedy? Really? People make contributions to history. Their outstanding cdharacter (Or terrible character/morals) and the way they carry themselves get them in to history. Sometimes their race and background come to play. But being a black person/white person/etc didn't make them the person they are (Most of the time). It is more then that.
    Absolutely nothing in what I said is contradicted by this. My point is...racial pride is all well and good, but your skin color is the least important part of you. So "Where's mah white histry month?" is a dumb argument for the Klan to make.

    Edit: it occurs to me that you didn't realize that the "why is there no white history month" was rhetorical.

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    Absolutely nothing in what I said is contradicted by this. My point is...racial pride is all well and good, but your skin color is the least important part of you. So "Where's mah white histry month?" is a dumb argument for Tue Klan to make.
    the idea of a month dedicated to white history is ridiculous because every month is white history month
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    can't stop laughing at that title
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    IIRC white people had it pretty shit during the middle ages. A lot of their gains in recent times have been due to the early appearance of the industrial revolution in Europe and the preceding colonization that was aided by the introduction of new life forms to the New World such as earthworms and bees.
    Whites had it pretty shitty because of whites.

    Blacks had it shitty because of another race.
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    the idea of a month dedicated to white history is ridiculous because every month is white history month
    What about February?

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    the idea of a month dedicated to white history is ridiculous because every month is white history month

    That's precisely my point.

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    IIRC white people had it pretty shit during the middle ages. A lot of their gains in recent times have been due to the early appearance of the industrial revolution in Europe and the preceding colonization that was aided by the introduction of new life forms to the New World such as earthworms and bees.
    They DID have a rough time. At the hands of other white people.

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    Whites had it pretty shitty because of whites.

    Blacks had it shitty because of another race.
    There was the Mongol invasion which was mostly composed of non-Europeans killing Europeans though, along with Islamic excursions into Europe in the preceding centuries.
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    Ranking Positions of the KKK:

    Grand Imperial Wizard- this is the leader of all KKK dens across the country. He is assisted by 10 "Genii," and has been described as "autocratic."
    Grand Magi- He serves as a sort of "vice-president" to the organization and can act as deputy wizard.
    Grand Scribe-This person serves as secretary of the Klan and takes detailed accounts of the meetings.
    Grand Dragon of the Realm- He presides over his assigned state or "realm" with eight "Hydras" to assist him.
    Grand Titan of the Dominion-The Grand Titan governs a Dominion, or several counties in a state, and is assisted by six "Furies."
    Grand Giant of the Province- He ran each "Province," which was a County, and had 4 "Night Hawks"(messengers) as assistants.
    Grand Cyclops- The Grand Cyclops ran an individual Den, and was assisted by 2 Night Hawks.
    Lictors- These were the guards for the Den meetings.
    Ghouls-This name refers all members
    I'd join just to get that Grand Dragon Of The Realm title.

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    What about February?
    Doesn't count. We gave black history the shortest month.
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    the titles are ridiculous because the KKK was originally a secretive fraternity
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