1. Post #81
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    One last thing I would like to point out.

    Do you realize this is true about everything?

    Since last few decades - customer electronics - all the stuff in kitchen.

    But also furniture, our homes, our cars, tools, clothes...

    Everything is made with less and less possibility of repair, with the main aim being streamlining which might be ergonomic and efficient when used, but in the long run decreases the lifetime of the product.

    You have to realize that all of these companies WANT the shit to last little while ideally selling for the same old price, because they will be able to sell you more of the thing once the old piece broke down.

    How long did your grandpa's car last, and how long do modern cars last? How about his fridge? His table?

    Ask him, if he could fix a broken down table from IKEA without lot of dickfiddlery - it's not really possible.

    This is the world of democratic capitalism with uneducated customer base. Nobody is to blame but the masses.
    This is true, with cars especially.

    Me and my friend used to fix old cars up while being lightly drunk. Usually the old car was mine, and we actually fixed LOTS of things from it.

    But my god, we had to change the fucking fog light -bulbs to my cousins 2012 Nissan Juke and it was horrible. It took us longer than fixing up my old cars goddamn engine.
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  2. Post #82
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    No, an incredible large and gullible consumer base that will buy a new model every year just to say that they have the latest Apple product.
    I'd actually love to know how true this is.

    How many people who buy new Apple products had the previous version?

    It's probably much lower than you'd think.

  3. Post #83
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    If you try a portable Mac, I imagine the rate for 'going back' is ridiculously low.

    I mean, I am an 'IT professional' and my out-and-about notebook is a MacBook Air, and in regards to portables, I will always buy Apple products from now on.

    Prior to owning the Air, I thought Macs were shitty and complained about all the things you've mentioned throughout this thread as to why they are shitty - my choice lay between the Air and a much higher spec Alienware that weighed like 3KG and was thick as fuck.

    Desktop wise, I can't see me owning a Mac - simply because PCs, at present - run games, allow me to 3D model, all this other stuff I couldn't really do on a Mac.

    So yeah, there's lots of considerations to be taken into account when it comes to desktops/laptops.

    My point of view was that I was going to be using my portable for web browsing, lecture note-taking, occasional document writing, running presentations and laying out websites in Photoshop.

    Was I going to be playing UT3 or EVE Online in the coffee shop for 3 hours? No. Why would anyone do that?

    Was I going to be doing complex 3D models in the coffee shop for 3 hours? No. Why would anyone do that?

    So yeah the choice was clear - I use my high-spec gaming PC for all that stuff, and use my super-lightweight MacBook Air with a superb battery that lasts for 5 hours (even when running multiple photoshop instances) and does everything i need it to.
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  4. Post #84
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    I'd actually love to know how true this is.

    How many people who buy new Apple products had the previous version?

    It's probably much lower than you'd think.
    But probably not as low as you think.
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  5. Post #85
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    And again, we voted with our wallets and purchased the device despite its built-in death clock.
    Am I the only one who immediately thought of this?
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  6. Post #86
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    If you try a portable Mac, I imagine the rate for 'going back' is ridiculously low.

    I mean, I am an 'IT professional' and my out-and-about notebook is a MacBook Air, and in regards to portables, I will always buy Apple products from now on.

    Prior to owning the Air, I thought Macs were shitty and complained about all the things you've mentioned throughout this thread as to why they are shitty - my choice lay between the Air and a much higher spec Alienware that weighed like 3KG and was thick as fuck.

    Desktop wise, I can't see me owning a Mac - simply because PCs, at present - run games, allow me to 3D model, all this other stuff I couldn't really do on a Mac.

    So yeah, there's lots of considerations to be taken into account when it comes to desktops/laptops.

    My point of view was that I was going to be using my portable for web browsing, lecture note-taking, occasional document writing, running presentations and laying out websites in Photoshop.

    Was I going to be playing UT3 or EVE Online in the coffee shop for 3 hours? No. Why would anyone do that?

    Was I going to be doing complex 3D models in the coffee shop for 3 hours? No. Why would anyone do that?

    So yeah the choice was clear - I use my high-spec gaming PC for all that stuff, and use my super-lightweight MacBook Air with a superb battery that lasts for 5 hours (even when running multiple photoshop instances) and does everything i need it to.
    I'm sorry, I just find it very hard to believe that you're an IT professional, and yet you state that your ONLY CHOICES were between a MACBOOK AIR and an ALIENWARE.
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  7. Post #87
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    I'm sorry, I just find it very hard to believe that you're an IT professional, and yet you state that your ONLY CHOICES were between a MACBOOK AIR and an ALIENWARE.
    Now where did he specify those were his ONLY choices?

  8. Post #88
    Another company needs to step the game with shiny black devices. I'd buy that... if they weren't overpriced obviously.

  9. Post #89
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    And so they should because they know what they're buying.
    PFFF HAHAHAHA

    It's also funny that you mentioned not doing any heavy duty stuff on the laptop, because if that's the case then why would someone spend $2200 on a laptop.
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  10. Post #90
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    Great. Apple now makes a fucktonne of cash from repairs/upgrades. Guess other companies will follow-suit, no more cheap DIY fixing/upgrading. :(
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  11. Post #91
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    Now where did he specify those were his ONLY choices?
    If you try a portable Mac, I imagine the rate for 'going back' is ridiculously low.

    I mean, I am an 'IT professional' and my out-and-about notebook is a MacBook Air, and in regards to portables, I will always buy Apple products from now on.

    Prior to owning the Air, I thought Macs were shitty and complained about all the things you've mentioned throughout this thread as to why they are shitty - my choice lay between the Air and a much higher spec Alienware that weighed like 3KG and was thick as fuck.
    ...

  12. Post #92
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    Generally when laptops fuck up, it happens three years down the line, at which point you can buy a far better model for less than the cost of repairing it.

    If you get Applecare, you get 3-years warranty where they basically take it away, regardless of what happened, and bring you a brand-new one about 5 minutes later (after porting your files over).

    Now generally, in every avenue of consumer culture, you buy to your means, and you don't buy what you can't afford to lose in a reasonable time scale.

    If you're a 17-year-old boy who doesn't work, and who's sole income is 'borrowing money from parents' - maybe a $3000 laptop would be a bad decision - because over the 3-years lifespan, you're unlikely to make $3000 by yourself to afford a replacement.

    If you're a 17-year-old boy who's got rich parents, then it's fine, buy a $3000 laptop and ignore anyone who calls you a rich cunt or whatever, they're going by everything their experience in life has told them, and so are you. You are doing nothing wrong by living to your means and neither are they (aside from calling you a cunt, that doesn't really contribute anything useful).

    If you're a 24 year old graduate who makes $1000 disposable income every month, buy whatever the fuck you want and fuck what everyone else has to say about it, especially 17-year-old's on the internet who are butt-hurt because you bought something that they don't like/ can't afford.

    If you're Birdman, buy a $3000 laptop, gold plate it, embed it with diamonds and laugh heartily whilst some hos suck your dick and you enjoy a glass of Hennessy
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  13. Post #93
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    I laughed at the battery being stuck into the computer.

    RAM is one thing, but the battery?

    And you know everything that will break in this computer will need to be shipped off to have a $15 replacement piece turn into $300 because it's white with a little apple on it.
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  14. Post #94
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    I hate Apple products.

    Their batteries die on you. Which you can service yourself but if you do it at Apple, you're looking at hundreds of dollars in cost
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  15. Post #95
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    I'd actually love to know how true this is.

    How many people who buy new Apple products had the previous version?

    It's probably much lower than you'd think.
    I know at least seven people that always have apple hardware that was made within the last two years.

  16. Post #96
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    I know at least seven people that always have apple hardware that was made within the last two years.
    I pity you for knowing them.
    Well, if they brag about it. If they don't, what's it to you?
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  17. Post #97
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    Hasn't apple been actually sued for the "death clock" in some of their products.

    It was an I-something and it actually had software that made it stop functioning after X amount of time and promted the owner to get a replacement or repair directly from apple.

    Edit: Products which are made to degrade have been around for a long time. It happened with light bulbs and it happened with nylon, the original versions degraded far too slow and the companies developing them decided that they had to degrade faster so that new ones would have to be bought.

  18. Post #98
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    The thing I don't get is this whole new retina display technology that came out of nowhere

    Unlike OLED which is truely an evolutionary direction in display technology, this just pops up out of no where and appears to be the exact same thing as exisitng display tech, except it double the PPI?

    What display technology is it derived from (I.E. TN, IPS, VN, etc)? Is it only just a higher pixel density, and as such just "crisper"? What about view angles/black levels/etc?

    It just comes off to me as being just a more expensive, advanced version of current monitor tech rather than something truely next-generation like OLED.
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  19. Post #99
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    weren't some washing machines or vacuums or something eventually designed to be shittier and break down more often because the ones before them were so reliable that they ended up losing money in repairs and replacements?

    I see apple has adopted this business model
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  20. Post #100
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    Not gonna lie, as indifferent as I am towards Apple, the insides of their computers look great

  21. Post #101
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    Not gonna lie, as indifferent as I am towards Apple, the insides of their computers look great
    Mm. too bad you can't change a single thing about them. They might as well just coated the entire board in resin.
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  22. Post #102
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    Mm. too bad you can't change a single thing about them. They might as well just coated the entire board in resin.
    That's why I don't get anything of theirs

  23. Post #103
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    I don't understand why people still buy Apple. Now Apple is literally saying 'screw you' to the customers. I just don't understand.........
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  24. Post #104
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    I don't understand why people still buy Apple. Now Apple is literally saying 'screw you' to the customers. I just don't understand.........
    me posted:
    Generally when laptops fuck up, it happens three years down the line, at which point you can buy a far better model for less than the cost of repairing it.

    If you get Applecare, you get 3-years warranty where they basically take it away, regardless of what happened, and bring you a brand-new one about 5 minutes later (after porting your files over).

    Now generally, in every avenue of consumer culture, you buy to your means, and you don't buy what you can't afford to lose in a reasonable time scale.

    If you're a 17-year-old boy who doesn't work, and who's sole income is 'borrowing money from parents' - maybe a $3000 laptop would be a bad decision - because over the 3-years lifespan, you're unlikely to make $3000 by yourself to afford a replacement.

    If you're a 17-year-old boy who's got rich parents, then it's fine, buy a $3000 laptop and ignore anyone who calls you a rich cunt or whatever, they're going by everything their experience in life has told them, and so are you. You are doing nothing wrong by living to your means and neither are they (aside from calling you a cunt, that doesn't really contribute anything useful).

    If you're a 24 year old graduate who makes $1000 disposable income every month, buy whatever the fuck you want and fuck what everyone else has to say about it, especially 17-year-old's on the internet who are butt-hurt because you bought something that they don't like/ can't afford.

    If you're Birdman, buy a $3000 laptop, gold plate it, embed it with diamonds and laugh heartily whilst some hos suck your dick and you enjoy a glass of Hennessy

  25. Post #105
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    I read your post, but that still doesn't justify over-spending for brand recognition. Your post is not insightful. It doesn't change the fact that when a laptop "dies" it's usually a part or two that goes out. On a normal laptop (which would cost less in the beginning) you could just buy a new part, and replace it, thereby fixing it yourself for a fraction of the cost.

    Besides, if you get normal laptop (so as long as the mobo doesn't get outdated) you can just upgrade to your hearts content for years and years to come if you like, without having to shell out even more money when Apple releases a new one with a single change in hardware.

  26. Post #106
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    The thing I don't get is this whole new retina display technology that came out of nowhere

    Unlike OLED which is truely an evolutionary direction in display technology, this just pops up out of no where and appears to be the exact same thing as exisitng display tech, except it double the PPI?

    What display technology is it derived from (I.E. TN, IPS, VN, etc)? Is it only just a higher pixel density, and as such just "crisper"? What about view angles/black levels/etc?

    It just comes off to me as being just a more expensive, advanced version of current monitor tech rather than something truely next-generation like OLED.
    Going by their past screens, Retina is probably based off IPS panels, but it is literally just a higher pixel density, as far as I know the display is just a IPS with ramped up density, nothing particularly amazing until you pair it with the OS X DPI scaling.

  27. Post #107
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    immediate reaction to this article from FP: Fuck you apple

    Cept if you read the whole article you can hardly blame Apple for its trend towards this kind of technology - as the article points out it did give us a choice between light, shitty machines and heavier, more reliable ones and the consumer base pretty clearly decided the former was cooler and decided to buy it

    I hate the technology too but really it's just a reaction to sales figures and the Apple consumer base are the true idiots here
    Ah, the wonders of the free market: Letting lemmings decide what is the best route to take in "revolutionizing the technology industry".
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  28. Post #108
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    Apple is dragging us into a future of throwing our electronics in the garbage every year and buying new shit.

    New shit that is locked down so you can only do what Apple decides to let you do, when Apple decides to let you do it.

    Yep, the future of technology is definitely looking up.
    It is, by only doing the stuff people want it to do aka their customers it will get better at doing those things you moron

  29. Post #109
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    Apple is dragging us into a future of throwing our electronics in the garbage every year and buying new shit.

    New shit that is locked down so you can only do what Apple decides to let you do, when Apple decides to let you do it.

    Yep, the future of technology is definitely looking up.
    REVOLUTIONARY!

  30. Post #110
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    An Apple Future



    A Windows Future

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  31. Post #111
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    I don't understand why people here are worried that the rest of the PC industry is going to follow suit and take a step back into the middle ages and start soldering ram into their logic boards.

    Apple's ultimate goal with their products is very different from say, Samsung's or Asus' goals. Apple wants a locked down product. They want complete control over it, so that they maximize their dollar while providing a seamless experience. PC manufacturers cater to all demographics, from the tech impaired to power users. They want you to be able to swap out your ram, process, etc. There is absolutely no incentive for them to start soldering their ram into their logic boards and glue their parts to the chassis.

    I don't know very many people who bother to repair their laptops once it is beyond their warranty, because by then, there are usually better options out for purchase, and repairs in general can be rather expensive.

    PC users are not like Apple users. PC manufacturers and Apple users cater to a completely different user base, it just so happens that these user bases overlap in a few areas.
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  32. Post #112
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    An Apple Future



    A Windows Future

    Only the first one can't be fixed or upgraded and is no good after 3 years and the latter works again after rebooting it.
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  33. Post #113
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    Yeah guys its not the end of the world.

    Apple users are not retarded lemmings and PCs are not inferior.

    Apple laptops have really good build quality and great parts but have no costomizability. It's an even trade. There are other laptops with different pros and cons.
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  34. Post #114
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    An Apple Future



    A Windows Future


    apple future:


    microsoft future:
    Linux future:
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  35. Post #115
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    An Apple Future

    An Apple future is where if a light bulb burns out you have to replace the whole building.
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  36. Post #116
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    An Apple Future



    A Windows Future

    Totally unbiased.

    And macs totally can never have a kernel panic ever.

    Nowdays, windows is extremely hard to BSOD unless you are actively trying to break windows (screwing in regedit or with drivers)

    Pull your head out your arse and get out of the 90s
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  37. Post #117
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    An Apple Future



    A Windows Future

    Buildings =/= kernel panics.

    Macfag logic.
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    Totally unbiased.

    And macs totally can never have a kernel panic ever.

    Nowdays, windows is extremely hard to BSOD unless you are actively trying to break windows (screwing in regedit or with drivers)

    Pull your head out your arse and get out of the 90s
    True, the last BSOD I had was because of a funky driver for a ancient TTL chip.
    and the one before that was because of a bugged driver from ATI (surprise surprise).
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  39. Post #119
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    Apple's ultimate goal with their products is very different from say, Samsung's or Asus' goals. Apple wants a locked down product. They want complete control over it, so that they maximize their dollar while providing a seamless experience. PC manufacturers cater to all demographics, from the tech impaired to power users. They want you to be able to swap out your ram, process, etc. There is absolutely no incentive for them to start soldering their ram into their logic boards and glue their parts to the chassis.
    This is exactly what people fear because if manufacturers see Apple has a really profitable business model and the media is totally in love with them then what's stopping them from trying to do the same thing?
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    This is exactly what people fear because if manufacturers see Apple has a really profitable business model and the media is totally in love with them then what's stopping them from trying to do the same thing?
    The fact that Apple's business model doesn't work for PC manufacturers.
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