1. Post #161
    Bloodshot12's Avatar
    June 2012
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    On top of that, BF3's launch maps aren't exactly the pinnacle of level design.

    A lot of the smaller ones are spam fests and a lot of the bigger ones feel like they made a flat plain and littered buildings on it. There's nothing really memorable about them design wise like there was in BF2.

    Also, Tribes makes you earn double XP for paying and that makes everyone call it pay2win but when battlefield does the same exact thing somehow it doesn't qualify as p2w?
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  2. Post #162
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    May 2007
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    Yeah, when DICE (creators of freaking Battlefield) promised it would sell well.

    And they scrapped the sequel, even with a massive outcry for one.
    They didn't scrap the sequel. Someone asked Frank Gibeau if there was a Mirror's Edge 2 and he said no. Then the media flipped their shit and he had to explain that there was no ME2 because no one pitched the game to him.


    Battlefield 2 had 12 maps. Only half of those were played on the majority of servers. Tons of servers were Karkand only or Gulf of Oman only. Just because it had more maps doesn't mean they were all good.
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  3. Post #163
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    August 2007
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    I don't care much for EA because they seem to be more cut-throat than the average corporation. Plus Origin is pretty messed up.

  4. Post #164
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    September 2007
    11,419 Posts
    ea kicked my dog and slapped my mother :(
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  5. Post #165
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    August 2007
    5,350 Posts
    ea kicked my dog and slapped my mother :(
    Did they charge you for it?
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  6. Post #166
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    July 2007
    492 Posts
    The reason I hate EA and I would think the reason that many other people do is because they are destroying the game industry from what it should be. They are turning it into Hollywood copy paste gameplay with generic story. The game industry needs to be what the other industries failed to be. If EA keeps on their course then good games will wallow in the pits of the forgotten lands while bull crap will feed the mouth of the maggots who will is to eat it like it is the gold in their pocket. It will turn into TV industry or the movie industry where crap shows and crap movies are all too common and succeed most of the time while those gems are hidden and don't survive because it's too difficult to understand it or too hard to play the game. What the game industry should be is to be the frontier of interactivity, creativity, and story-telling like nothing else has ever been in mankind to where the gameplay is fun and the story draws you into its deep immersion where when you put down your controller or get off your keyboard for the rest of the day you think "Wow". It should make you have feelings you've never had before where you would feel fear, sorrow, and heart-stopping adrenaline. The experiences should put you into a dream-world of immersion where only the game-world matters and all choices are from you and not the game itself. That is what the game industry should be. EA is the opposite of this and will strive to turn it into a deep pit of entertainment where games is just another form to make the masses entertained not any different from anything else. Sometimes the game has potential, but ends up being murdered by pre-order bonuses, week one dlc, cruddy drm, empty promises, crap support, and even complete game-breaking dlc. It isn't only EA that does that does this, but others as well such as Activision and Microsoft. I'll never let go my fear of the game industries future and my hatred for those wanting to drag it down into the bowels of static stupidity of common entertainment. This is why I hate EA.
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  7. Post #167
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    April 2011
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    Perhaps "hate" is a too big of a word. I'd go with dissapointed.

    I don't like what they did with red alert 3 and Tiberium twilight. I don't agree with their way of mainstreaming a certain franchise just to appeal to a wider audience. The argument that they have to make money is true but that doesn't mean I have to agree with it. I don't agree with some of their marketing tactiques [yourmomhatesdeadspace ? seriously ?], the only thing you'll end up achieving is adding fuel to the fire for all anti-game people out there on the media en enforcing their "idea" on what videogames are about.

    However, I still have a tiny bit of hope left for generals 2 but I'll remain skeptical and I am genuinly afraid the game will have a 5 different pre-order bonusses, depending from which retailer you purchase, poor customer support and Day-1 DLC.

  8. Post #168
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    August 2008
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    They Pulled battlefront 3 in favour of star wars kinect.


    Nuff said.
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  9. Post #169

    February 2010
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    Hmm, lets think about this.

    Battlefield 2 at the time $50
    Spec forces Expansion Pack $20
    2 Booster packs, 15 dollars each or 25 dollars in the retail bundle.

    So yeah, you did pay about 50 dollars for all the BF2 DLC at the time.

    And saying Battlefield 3 isn't a Battlefield at all is fucking moronic.
    I don't recall seeing "This player IS PREMIUM, BUY PREMIUM NOW - PREMIUM HAS EXCLUSIVE FEATURES SUCH AS QUEUE PRIORITY" in BF2 every time a player killed me, though.
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  10. Post #170
    riki2cool's Avatar
    December 2009
    2,142 Posts
    I still can't forget EA for riding Black Box and Pandemic Studios into the ground.

  11. Post #171
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    October 2011
    948 Posts
    In regards to SSX, EA claimed that it had very good launch and that it's likely we'll see more in the future...

    Link

  12. Post #172
    I paid $999.99 for a forum upgrade and all I got was a beating from my mother :(
    usaokay's Avatar
    February 2005
    14,683 Posts
    They Pulled battlefront 3 in favour of star wars kinect.


    Nuff said.
    I thought that was LucasArts's decision.
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  13. Post #173
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    October 2008
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    Here's a giant infographic that I saw the other day in response to this very article.
    Just a quick look at the companies that EA ruined tell the whole story.

    Edited:

    As for them being a corporation that needs money, I know that very well. Doesn't mean I can't hate them though (also note there are a lot of other corporations that are less hateable, and that they actually lost money on ruining things like C&C so both us and EA got fucked over).

  14. Post #174
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    August 2006
    8,366 Posts
    I hate them because the constantly butcher promising games, buy out development studios and then shutter them after one game, and consistently choose to make quick money over delivering a quality product even in cases where they could easily do both.

    I mean look at Dead Space 3, it's literally GEARS OF SPACE 3, complete with cover based shooting, two guys chuckling about killing dudes and nonthreatening atmosphere. Hell Issac's sidekick is an ethnic man looking for his wife.

    I MEAN REALLY.
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  15. Post #175

    January 2012
    6 Posts
    But those games ARE pretty terrible, not from a personal point of view, but because;

    BF3: DLCs out the fucking ass and newly implemented "pay to win" garbage.
    Spore: You cannot argue that this WASN'T a massive let down.
    Dragon Age II: Terrible writing, unpolished as shit.
    SWTOR: Do I even need to explain?

    Im not sure about FIFA and Madden because Im personally not a fan and dont know a lot of about either games, so I wont judge.
    At least it is not like COD's bullshit that only adds 2 new maps. BF3 adds new guns, gamemodes, vehicles, and maps.

  16. Post #176
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    Lambeth's Avatar
    October 2009
    14,833 Posts
    I still can't forget EA for riding Black Box and Pandemic Studios into the ground.
    Also Origin
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  17. Post #177
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    April 2006
    8,245 Posts
    I don't recall seeing "This player IS PREMIUM, BUY PREMIUM NOW - PREMIUM HAS EXCLUSIVE FEATURES SUCH AS QUEUE PRIORITY" in BF2 every time a player killed me, though.
    I must ask, what does that have to do with anything I covered in that post?
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  18. Post #178
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    June 2006
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    On top of that, BF3's launch maps aren't exactly the pinnacle of level design.

    A lot of the smaller ones are spam fests and a lot of the bigger ones feel like they made a flat plain and littered buildings on it. There's nothing really memorable about them design wise like there was in BF2.

    Also, Tribes makes you earn double XP for paying and that makes everyone call it pay2win but when battlefield does the same exact thing somehow it doesn't qualify as p2w?
    Because in Battlefield 3, the guns aren't upgrades and you can unlock them all really quickly.

    In Tribes, it takes ages to afford anything, and you can literally upgrade a weapon, make it do more damage, have more ammo, or even have access to much more improved weaponry. Playing as a free player, the costs for items in that game are so ridiculous, it was even worse in the closed beta. I think I calculated it to be around 15+ games with you doing excessively well to afford even the most basic second weapon for your character. That's not even the ludicrous prices on the weapon levels that are straight upgrades.
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  19. Post #179
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  20. Post #180
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    February 2007
    19,724 Posts
    Two and a half minutes in and he already lost me at listing "appealing to a broader audience" as something a game company shouldn't do.

    Edited:

    Okay I agree with everything else.

  21. Post #181
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    June 2011
    2,306 Posts
    Two and a half minutes in and he already lost me at listing "appealing to a broader audience" as something a game company shouldn't do.
    When companies announce that they want to appeal to a broader audience it essentially means they want to cut corners, remove features and half ass everything. Why? Because that's what the 'broader audience' likes.

    The broader audience is people who buy the same CoD every year. They are the same people that are willing to spend crazy amounts of money on totally useless things that should have been in the game in the first place. Like ME3's first "DLC" that added a squadmate that was already in the game. And all you had to do to actually activate him yourself was edit one simple line of code.

    They are a problem, because they are the majority. Companies assume "hey, people like this DLC stuff and keep buying it, lets shit out more of them" and so they do. And you guessed it - people go right ahead and buy them, not knowing that they're essentially being scammed by companies who deliberately cut content from their game only to sell it later. Thus making more money.
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  22. Post #182
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    December 2005
    5,556 Posts
    EA is full of money grubbing cunts that are always looking for new ways to fuck over their customers and run good games into the ground.
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  23. Post #183
    Did they charge you for it?
    It was called spore.
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  24. Post #184
    This man speaks the truth. Seriously, pretty much everything he said was spot on.

    Also, just saying that EA is a corporation and is supposed to try and make money is a load of crap. Thats not a good business strategy. If you want to make money well, you listen to what the consumers want and try to make them happy, that way you gain loyal consumers who will be happy with parting with their money for a product. EA however seem to blatantly disregard what consumers want and put heap loads of money into making shit.

    Basically, companies are supposed to make things that people want and the best way to do that is to listen to consumers

  25. Post #185
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    September 2007
    11,419 Posts
    This man speaks the truth. Seriously, pretty much everything he said was spot on.

    Also, just saying that EA is a corporation and is supposed to try and make money is a load of crap. Thats not a good business strategy. If you want to make money well, you listen to what the consumers want and try to make them happy, that way you gain loyal consumers who will be happy with parting with their money for a product. EA however seem to blatantly disregard what consumers want and put heap loads of money into making shit.

    Basically, companies are supposed to make things that people want and the best way to do that is to listen to consumers
    if its not a sound business practice, then why do they have so much money?

  26. Post #186
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    August 2009
    5,890 Posts
    EA's mediocre. They publish a shit ton of stuff that would of never seen the light of day prior and genuinely do the same shit every other company does. It's just the cool thing to hate on to be perfectly honest.

    Also Origin is just a smaller Steam, to me they're both the exact same, and it's kinda silly that "omg origin is the worst!" when Steam does MOST of the exact same shit. God help anyone mention it though
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  27. Post #187
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    June 2012
    2,521 Posts
    Yeah, but Steam is established and works now. Steam was made as a platform to distribute games and give extra services to players. Origin was made as a platform to compete with steam. DICE didn't even WANT to integrate origin with BF3. Why do you think all you do with origin is launch into battlelog and get ingame overlays?

    If they actually made Origin just as a program for players and not as a "Valve makes money, we should copy them!" tool I'm sure you probably would have seen something like overlay integration with battlelog for BF3 so you could join servers from within the game using origin, or other things.

    Also I can NEVER forgive EA for running Westwood into the ground. EVER.

  28. Post #188
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    February 2007
    19,724 Posts
    Origins okay with me. uses less system resources and actually downloads at my max rate, which Steam has never managed to do despite how much tweaking I have tried. It has a simple interface both in and out of game. I don't mind using it.

    But I dunno if launching their own service with the costs associated is going to do them well in the long run. I can't imagine the volume of sales they lost not putting it on Steam.
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  29. Post #189
    Dennab
    July 2009
    7,652 Posts
    I hate EA because they shut down servers on "old" games. I can't get the good dlc on my copy of burnout paradise because, fucking ea shut down those servers. Do they not realize that paradise still has 50k players monthly?
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  30. Post #190
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    June 2012
    2,521 Posts
    Battlefield 2 servers are still up
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  31. Post #191
    Dennab
    July 2009
    7,652 Posts
    Battlefield 2 servers are still up
    Those are player hosted though.

  32. Post #192

    February 2010
    3,109 Posts
    I must ask, what does that have to do with anything I covered in that post?
    Fucking everything basically ?

  33. Post #193
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    September 2009
    4,460 Posts
    EA is full of money grubbing cunts that are always looking for new ways to fuck over their customers and run good games into the ground.
    One could just replace EA with Activision and no one would care to notice the difference, really.

    We need to make EA figure out, somehow, that all this Battlelog, Origin, and Premium requirement crap with Battlefield 3 is really just.. Unnecessary. I don't care much for Origin, it's kinda snazzy and all, but Battlefield 3's literally my only title on the damn thing and messing with it's development so much to counter-attack Modern Warfare 3 - and fail, as MW3 outsold BF3 by a large margin anyway - was just plain stupid business decisions. And of course, boycotts and petitions won't do much coming from a bunch of neckbeards like us.

    Although, DICE really could've done a far less generic campaign story or bring back some of the parody or comedy of the Bad Company sub-series to the main series, instead of literally being a type of story you could insert into the very game your publisher is forcing you to rival against and no one would notice much of a difference at all.

  34. Post #194
    Scar's Avatar
    September 2010
    4,096 Posts
    EA is full of money grubbing cunts that are always looking for new ways to fuck over their customers and run good games into the ground.
    Your avatar fits so perfectly...

  35. Post #195
    I Love Gaylo 4
    Delta616's Avatar
    April 2006
    8,245 Posts
    Fucking everything basically ?
    I was talking about the original MSRP's of Battlefield 2 and it's expansion, and how calling BF3 not a battlefield game is moronic. Not BF premium. So I ask again, what does that have to do with anything I said?

  36. Post #196

    March 2012
    213 Posts
    DRM and demanding 200$ over a game. I mean 60$ for the main part of the game and another 100+$ for DLCs and cosmetic features.

  37. Post #197
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    June 2007
    3,982 Posts
    I'm glad EA wasn't the one that bought id.

  38. Post #198

    April 2011
    16 Posts
    one word: drm
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  39. Post #199
    I Love Gaylo 4
    Delta616's Avatar
    April 2006
    8,245 Posts
    one word: drm
    First off, that isn't a word, secondly welcome to most of PC gaming.
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  40. Post #200
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    April 2012
    566 Posts
    I always hated ea and here's why.


    Heck, zero hour was good back then.
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