1. Post #161
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    The word nigger is slang for a black person, I don't see your point
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  2. Post #162
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    I'm not saying this guy isn't a misogynist - truly he is. It's just that the fact he called her a cunt isn't the reason, there are lots of reason, but the insult isn't one of them. It certainly attributes, as would calling someone a nigger and being an apparent racist.
    stop. the word is a gender-loaded one so yes, he is a misogynist for using it. and yes, if you call a black man a nigger you are a racist.

    weird, didn't we have this misogyny thread a couple of days ago that went on for ~40 pages?
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  3. Post #163
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    The word nigger is slang for a black person, I don't see your point
    Obama is a nigger

    Don't worry guys it's just slang!

    [sub]I do not mean that in any way, it's just an example[/sub]

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    The word nigger is slang for a black person, I don't see your point
    I said that... what point?

  5. Post #165
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    I said that... what point?
    The point is that if you think cunt and nigger are not comparable in severity then you're a part of the problem
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  6. Post #166
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    Where I live (Long Island, which is in the US, so it's relevant), a Cunt is pretty much the WORST insult you could ever call a woman. It's pretty much a four-letter-word for "you should stay in the kitchen pumping out food and babies for the rest of your life because that's the only thing your kind is good at doing". So... Yeah, I can see the problem with this.

    EDIT: As for the people saying "he was doing it on his own time, not while he was working", here's the thing: a Politician, in theory that is, should be held up to a higher standard no matter what they're doing, be it actually doing their job or when they're out in public or even when they're at home. They're SUPPOSED to act as the representative of their location (city, county, state, country, etc.), so if they do something wrong it paints a bad picture for their station as a whole. So even though politicians, in practice that is, kinda ignore that little detail, it doesn't make the shit they do, in office or at home, any more acceptable than they should be (which, in this case, is not at all).

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    The point is that if you think cunt and nigger are not comparable in severity then you're a part of the problem
    'Nigger' is a derogatory term for black people, while cunt is just slang for a women's genitalia (at least here in the UK)... like the female equivalent of 'cock' or 'dick'. It's words like 'slut' that are more like the female equivalent of 'nigger'
    I don't quite see what you're saying...

  8. Post #168
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    'Nigger' is a derogatory term for black people, while cunt is just slang for a women's genitalia... like the female equivalent of 'cock' or 'dick'. It's words like 'slut' that are more like the female equivalent of 'nigger'
    I don't quite see what you're saying...
    Black people are less vulgar than penises and vaginas, and yet the slang for black people is somehow more offensive because 'cocks and cunts' are just 'cocks and cunts' right?

    Like I said, you're a part of the problem

  9. Post #169
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    It's like people who think it's impossible to be racist against white people, or it's impossible for a black person to be racist.
    Why do people have to come along and post stuff like this that only muddies up the argument.

    Yes, some people won't admit that it's possible for things to go the other way around. Yes, I agree that's kind of silly.

    No, that doesn't mean that "Reverse-Racism" Or Misandry are an actual widespread social problem. No, that doesn't mean that it can be used in an argument.

    And I almost feel like these discussions get bogged down in whether gender specific curse words are really misogyny. And I have to say that... I really don't know what to think there honestly. I mean dick is practically the counterpart of cunt and it manages to be a thousand times more acceptable. Many people on here will argue that gender specific insults for men are fine, but gender specific insult for women are a sign of a misogynist. I wonder if, in the future, there will be as much of a taboo against the use of gender specific insults towards women as there is against racially specific slurs now. And what will become of gender specific insults for men.

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    'Nigger' is a derogatory term for black people, while cunt is just slang for a women's genitalia (at least here in the UK)... like the female equivalent of 'cock' or 'dick'. It's words like 'slut' that are more like the female equivalent of 'nigger'
    I don't quite see what you're saying...

    except when you call someone a cunt you "reduce" them down to a woman's level in a negative sense. works the same way when you call someone a pussy. it's gender-loaded.

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    Black people are less vulgar than penises and vaginas, and yet the slang for black people is somehow more offensive because 'cocks and cunts' are just 'cocks and cunts' right?

    Like I said, you're a part of the problem
    How profane a word is is nothing to do with it being sexist, racist, whatever
    Like 'fuck' is more vulgar than 'mong', but unlike fuck, mong is a derogitary word for a certain group of people

    Sorry mate, but I don't get how i'm 'part of the problem' from what i've said

  12. Post #172
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    How profane a word is is nothing to do with it being sexist, racist, whatever
    Like 'fuck' is more vulgar than 'mong', but unlike fuck, mong is a derogitary word for a certain group of people

    Sorry mate, but I don't get how i'm 'part of the problem' from what i've said
    You're reducing a person to what is effectively the genitals of a gender

    How is that not as serious if not moreso than calling someone a nigger?

    I don't like being called a pussy any moreso than I like being called a nerd for example
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    Why do people have to come along and post stuff like this that only muddies up the argument.

    Yes, some people won't admit that it's possible for things to go the other way around. Yes, I agree that's kind of silly.

    No, that doesn't mean that "Reverse-Racism" Or Misandry are an actual widespread social problem. No, that doesn't mean that it can be used in an argument.

    And I almost feel like these discussions get bogged down in whether gender specific curse words are really misogyny. And I have to say that... I really don't know what to think there honestly. I mean dick is practically the counterpart of cunt and it manages to be a thousand times more acceptable. Many people on here will argue that gender specific insults for men are fine, but gender specific insult for women are a sign of a misogynist. I wonder if, in the future, there will be as much of a taboo against the use of gender specific insults towards women as there is against racially specific slurs now. And what will become of gender specific insults for men.
    I don't recall saying it's a widespread problem, I made a comparison to it because a point was raised and it's a similar situation.

  14. Post #174
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    How profane a word is is nothing to do with it being sexist, racist, whatever
    Like 'fuck' is more vulgar than 'mong', but unlike fuck, mong is a derogitary word for a certain group of people

    Sorry mate, but I don't get how i'm 'part of the problem' from what i've said
    you're part of the problem because you don't realize what the problem is. you promote misogyny without knowing you do by not acknowledging how misogynistic you really are.
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    You're reducing a person to what is effectively the genitals of a gender

    How is that not as serious if not moreso than calling someone a nigger?

    I don't like being called a pussy any moreso than I like being called a nerd for example
    We're taking about words being derogatory terms for specific groups of people here, not how profane or vulgar these words are. That's got nothing to do with racism or sexism.
    Calling a black man a dick because you don't like the particular guy isn't racist and isn't as bad as calling them a nigger, which is racist because it's a derogatory term for black people while dick isn't
    Calling a black man a dick because they are black is just as bad as calling them a nigger, and both instances are racist.
    You're making an argument as if context isn't a factor
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  16. Post #176
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    oh okay, so all words need to be taken at FACE value.

    If someone says they're so hungry they can eat a horse, for example, they can't mean anything BUT that they literally will eat a horse.

    Good point, turnips, linguistics is 100% literal all the time and meaning has absolutely nothing to do with the person saying it.
    "I'm not calling you a literal cunt, I'm calling you a metaphorical cunt
    I'm saying you're basically, uh
    a giant, floating, ethereal vagina
    Schrodinger's Pussy, if you will
    it's not like I'm calling you a tangible vagina"

    Sanius, not to blow my own trumpet, how the hell is a perfectly reasonable post like that dumb?
    Btw since people are making comparisons the difference between the words 'cunt' and 'nigger' is that 'nigger' is a term for a person, while 'cunt' is just a body part... obviously calling a women a slut or a whore is misogynistic though. Saying the word 'cunt' shouldn't be misogynistic by default, because whether it is or not all depends on the context
    With "cunt", you're calling someone just part of a person, so even partially being that type of person (read: a woman) is horrible, according to the use of the word.
    Possibly.
    Either way, you're still using the term to call someone a woman or womanly.

    "Dick"'s usage is much lighter toned, though, generally just as a bit more profane term for "jerk". And well all know that there are a lot of jerks involved with dicks

    I mean dick is practically the counterpart of cunt and it manages to be a thousand times more acceptable. Many people on here will argue that gender specific insults for men are fine, but gender specific insult for women are a sign of a misogynist. I wonder if, in the future, there will be as much of a taboo against the use of gender specific insults towards women as there is against racially specific slurs now. And what will become of gender specific insults for men.
    In a patriarchal society, being a man is more acceptable, so being called a male-specific term generally carries less hostility than being called a female-specific term.
    Or some bullshit like that. English has always been my worst subject.
    Eventually, at some point in time, "cunt" and "dick" could be just as acceptable as each other.
    This is not that time.
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    you're part of the problem because you don't realize what the problem is. you promote misogyny without knowing you do by not acknowledging how misogynistic you really are.
    I am not mysoginistic at all, i'm just not one of those 'Nice Guys' who present themselves as liberal and sympathetic but are more patronising and condescending than anything else.
    I treat women as equals, and that's as far away from misogyny as you can get. Giving women special treatment and making them immune to being sexist themselves is not the way to go. So gtfo.
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  18. Post #178
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    We're taking about words being derogatory terms for specific groups of people here, not how profane or vulgar these words are. That's got nothing to do with racism or sexism.
    Calling a black man a dick because you don't like the particular guy isn't racist and isn't as bad as calling them a nigger, which is racist because it's a derogatory term for black people while dick isn't
    Calling a black man a dick because they are black is just as bad as calling them a nigger, and both instances are racist.
    You're making an argument as if context isn't a factor
    For this analogy to work with the "cunt" argument, replace "calling a black man a dick" with "calling a black man a nigger".
    Either way, it's racist.
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  19. Post #179
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    Different regions man. In the UK cunt can be said as a joke. In my area the word cunt is matched in offensiveness only by the words nigger and spic. In your area it might be a bit more loose.
    Where do you live in the US where cunt is as bad as nigger and spic? Here cunts been said in classes and no teacher has cared. I think its viewed as a silly word here unless you're being really hateful towards a specific person. I'm confused not even feminists I know bat an eye to the word. It's like saying dick.

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    For this analogy to work with the "cunt" argument, replace "calling a black man a dick" with "calling a black man a nigger".
    Either way, it's racist.
    Nope, dick is equivalent to cunt, but nigger is equivalent to slut or whore
    Afaik nigger and slut are derogatory terms, but cunt and dick are just slang terms and general insults

    Btw, it's not like every time a white person does something mean to a black person it's ~RACISM~
    Because it sure seems you're acting on that assumption

    Edited:

    I'm basically saying i've never known 'cunt' to be a derogatory term for a woman

    Edited:

    With "cunt", you're calling someone just part of a person, so even partially being that type of person (read: a woman) is horrible, according to the use of the word.
    Possibly.
    Either way, you're still using the term to call someone a woman or womanly.
    I've already said that profanity or vulgarity has got nothing to do with this, it's all to do with whether the word you're using is specifically a derogatory term for the person you're saying it to, and whether you're insulting someone just because they're a woman, or black, ect.
    Anyway, what about general insults like 'tit'. Is calling someone a tit misogynistic regardless of context?
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    I'm basically saying i've never known 'cunt' to be a derogatory term for a women
    how much is the rent for fuckin huge rocks these days?
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    how much is the rent for fuckin huge rocks these days?
    In the UK, it's just the female equivalent of dick although slightly more vulgar, ok. Dick isn't a derogatory term for a man
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    how the fuck do you people argue about this shit?
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    'Nigger' is a derogatory term for black people, while cunt is just slang for a women's genitalia (at least here in the UK)...
    for the second time, this is important:

    (at least here in the UK)...
    The word is totally different here in America.
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  25. Post #185
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    Asshole?
    yes
    Sexist?
    no

    Edited:

    for the second time, this is important:



    The word is totally different here in America.
    No it isn't.
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  26. Post #186
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    Isn't this the same motherfucker who gave a gag order because a lady said "vagina?"

    Edited:

    No it isn't.
    Uhh, yeah it is.

    We don't say words like "faff" and "ponce" and "bellend" over here to compensate.

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    I just reckon something isn't misogynistic if it's not one of these things:
    -Using a derogatory term for a woman to insult someone (I personally don't think 'cunt' is specifically a derogatory term for women, unlike 'slut' or 'whore')
    -Mistreating or insulting a woman just because of the fact she's a woman
    -Believing women are inferior
    -Treating women differently to men
    -Thinking there's nothing wrong with any of the above
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    Depends on the context of it. (which coincidentally is STILL my point). If he's saying it like an insult to women, then yes, it would be an insult with the context of being hostile towards women. If he said it and he has no inclination ever of being one, I'd take it as just another insult.

    Edited:



    So is the guy I responded to.

    Edited:



    Are you implying I'm a misogynist because I'm defending a word in a state without context?

    Oh please do, I'd love it if you did. Because you and I both know there are hundreds of ways to prove you are horribly fucking wrong.
    Besides being a grand-master shit wizard, you're sounding like a misogynist.

  29. Post #189
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    I just reckon something isn't misogynistic if it's not one of these things:
    -Using a derogatory term for a woman to insult someone (I personally don't think 'cunt' is specifically a derogatory term for women, unlike 'slut' or 'whore')
    -Mistreating or insulting a woman just because of the fact she's a woman
    -Believing women are inferior
    -Treating women differently to men
    -Thinking there's nothing wrong with any of the above
    the first and foremost definition of "cunt" is "vagina"
    how the fuck is that not specifically a female-centric derogatory term
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    the first and foremost definition of "cunt" is "vagina"
    how the fuck is that not specifically a female-centric derogatory term
    Just because it's slang for a women's genitalia doesn't mean it's a derogatory word for a woman...
    If that's reason why cunt is a derogatory term for women, then dick must be a derogatory term for men. You can't argue with that
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    If 'cunt' is derogatory towards women, then why are 'dick', 'dickhead' and 'cock' not derogatory towards men?
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    Bit of an off-topic rant here...
    Sanius, you rate everyone dumb but never make any proper counter arguments. And it's like you throw all logic out the window just to hang on to your unrealistic ideals. You're one of the most insecure people i've ever come across tbh.
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    Just because it's slang for a women's genitalia doesn't mean it's a derogatory word for a woman...
    If that's reason why cunt is a derogatory term for women, then dick must be a derogatory term for men. You can't argue with that
    silence female representatives from speaking on a bill that focuses on women's rights, and call a woman a cunt because she's mowing her lawn, people call you sexist

    you can't explain that

    If 'cunt' is derogatory towards women, then why are 'dick', 'dickhead' and 'cock' not derogatory towards men?
    Yes, "dick" and such are male-centric.
    But there really aren't any politicians voting on bills to limit male rights and silencing men from speaking on it just because they said "penis".
    And there's not a history of (nor many lingering elements of) systematic oppression of men based on their gender.

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    Just because it's slang for a women's genitalia doesn't mean it's a derogatory word for a woman...
    If that's reason why cunt is a derogatory term for women, then dick must be a derogatory term for men. You can't argue with that
    Dick is a derogatory term for men, but nobody has any reason to care about that because men aren't constantly the victims of misandry.

    It's a gendered derogatory term, and therefore it is sexist.
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    Btw, a problem i'm seeing here is people are getting the vulgarity of a word mixed up with how derogatory it is

  36. Post #196
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    Btw, a problem i'm seeing here is people are getting the vulgarity of a word mixed up with how derogatory it is
    The problem isn't that "cunt" is a vulgar term for a female body part, it's that it's a vulgar term for a female body part.

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    I just reckon something isn't misogynistic if it's not one of these things:
    -Using a derogatory term for a woman to insult someone (I personally don't think 'cunt' is specifically a derogatory term for women, unlike 'slut' or 'whore')
    -Mistreating or insulting a woman just because of the fact she's a woman
    -Believing women are inferior
    -Treating women differently to men
    -Thinking there's nothing wrong with any of the above
    Nobody cares how you personally define "cunt."

    The rest of the world does not recognize your definition.
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    silence female representatives from speaking on a bill that focuses on women's rights, and call a woman a cunt because she's mowing her lawn, people call you sexist
    you can't explain that
    I'm on about misogyny in general, not the incident the article is about
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    Btw, a problem i'm seeing here is people are getting the vulgarity of a word mixed up with how derogatory it is
    "Cunt" in the United States is widely considered to be the single worst thing you can call a women. Most women won't even say the word, instead calling it "the C-Word."

    It's worse than bitch. It's worse than whore. It's generally cited as the most vulgar and derisive word in the English language.
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    Nobody cares how you personally define "cunt."

    The rest of the world does not recognize your definition.
    Fine, but cunt isn't a derogatory term for a woman because it's slang for a woman's private bits as someone said
    Tits is slang for breasts, but 'tit' isn't a derogatory term for a woman, so that sort of disproves that

    And just saying 'cunt' in itself isn't misogynistic
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