1. Post #161
    EvilShadow777's Avatar
    August 2010
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    it depends on how bad each of them are

    if darius takes the brunt of her E, then he'll lose 100%, but if either acts like an idiot, they'll lose a trade, but fiora has more damage
    Fiora has more potential dps while Darius has more burst. Saying Fiora has more damage implies she'll be alive to auto-attack the entire duration.
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  2. Post #162
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    I've yet to fight Darius with Renekton. How's that matchup?
    I fought one the other day and he couldn't do shit. From level 1 I kept Renekton zoned with Q spam. He got cocky early on and took too much damage, just as I got level 2. So through ignite, my passive, and apprehend, I managed to first blood him, and just shut him down completely from there.

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    i don't know if you've noticed yet, but people that manage to ramp up attack speed (irelia, udyr, fiora) begin to dominate the lane once they get their attack speed, because you can basically consider an autoattack as a spell with a very low cooldown and moderate damage

    while abilities have high damage, your autoattacks will be very few and far between, and the people with attack speed will make up for the loss of spell damage with the large amount of damage from autoattacks
    Yeah I'm ganna go with "no". During one of my games against Fiora, not only did I shut her down the entire laning phase, she went off to gank at one point and ended up getting a quadra kill at dragon. She reappeared in my lane after a while, and actually thought she could take me (she had quite a few items, easily as much as me).

    Not a fucking chance. She got obliterated just like she had the entire game.
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  3. Post #163
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    I fought one the other day and he couldn't do shit. From level 1 I kept Renekton zoned with Q spam. He got cocky early on and took too much damage, just as I got level 2. So through ignite, my passive, and apprehend, I managed to first blood him, and just shut him down completely from there.

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    Yeah I'm ganna go with "no". During one of my games against Fiora, not only did I shut her down the entire laning phase, she went off to gank at one point and ended up getting a quadra kill at dragon. She reappeared in my lane after a while, and actually thought she could take me (she had quite a few items, easily as much as me).

    Not a fucking chance. She got obliterated just like she had the entire game.
    That anecdotal evidence.

    Really though, Renekton should easily be able to trade and abuse his mobility against Darius. Though unlike suggested beforehand, his ult doesn't "negate" Darius' ult. Around lv4 Renekton should be able to get aggressive on Darius and hurt him fairly badly.
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  4. Post #164
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    Fiora has more potential dps while Darius has more burst. Saying Fiora has more damage implies she'll be alive to auto-attack the entire duration.
    This is also implying that Darius has enough burst to outright kill a 60%+ hp champion.

    Edited:

    I fought one the other day and he couldn't do shit. From level 1 I kept Renekton zoned with Q spam. He got cocky early on and took too much damage, just as I got level 2. So through ignite, my passive, and apprehend, I managed to first blood him, and just shut him down completely from there.

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    Yeah I'm ganna go with "no". During one of my games against Fiora, not only did I shut her down the entire laning phase, she went off to gank at one point and ended up getting a quadra kill at dragon. She reappeared in my lane after a while, and actually thought she could take me (she had quite a few items, easily as much as me).

    Not a fucking chance. She got obliterated just like she had the entire game.
    How about you just go online and spare me your anecdotes.

    Edited:

    Once you beat me in a 1v1 then I will admit that you're right.

    At this point neither of us are qualified to say anything on this matter really, and all of this is speculation.

    Edited:

    Also darius will do 315+x amount of damage in his burst and possible an additional 120~ damage, while fiora has the ability to negate the 120~ damage with her riposte, dealing 260 damage instead, then having her Q dealing a guaranteed 100 damage (360 so far) and her E allows her to trade with darius if he decides to stay.

    The biggest reason I can think of that Darius might outlane fiora is that his harass might be too high to sustain, rather than trading, but it pushes the lane quite hard, which isn't very good for darius.

    Edited:

    of course, darius can constantly use his Q, not just in fair trades, while fiora can't harrass

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    btw don't listen to me
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  5. Post #165
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    You give all these numbers with Fiora yet you don't seem to consider that everything Fiora has is countered by armor. Darius' damage is mixed into magic damage, physical damage, and true damage and it all scales on the same thing. That alone gives Darius massive endgame advantage. This isn't factoring the fact that when properly set up, a lv3 ult from Darius has around 1000 True damage potential depending on his AD.

    Their trading potential is very similar, but Darius gets the edge as the game goes on.
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  6. Post #166
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    i'm just talking about laning

    i don't really care much about anything else, let my team carry me through the rest

    Edited:

    and darius lategame is definitely better since i never seemed to die with darius lategame, which was a nice bonus, while i exploded with fiora

    oh, and the killsteals were nice
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  7. Post #167
    Murr purr and stuff!
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    numbers is all flubascrub is good at
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  8. Post #168
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    Well that'd be all fine and dandy if the game was 100% dependent on what happened in the laning phase. But realistically that isn't the case. Though the laning phase is based on the first recall or so. And while Fiora does have the dps thing going for her, she's not going to have much of that early on. DPS really only becomes strong late game when you get items like Phantom Dancer and Infinity Edge, so while the DPS is a factor for her it never really gets the potential to shine since she needs durability to be of any use.

    Overall I'd say the lane is even and Darius wins late game.
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  9. Post #169
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    Fluba nii-chan why u no online?
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  10. Post #170
    Flubascrub
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    numbers is all flubascrub is good at
    die

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  11. Post #171
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    This math shows how OP Ryze is with all dat mana and CDR.
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  12. Post #172
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    yeah taylor series are pretty useful for showing how ap ryze > mana ryze

       come at me   
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  13. Post #173
    Murr purr and stuff!
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  14. Post #174
    Quite so, ol' chap.
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    This math shows how OP Ryze is with all dat mana and CDR.
    Looks more like the math behind the fuel consumption of an F16 Fighter Jet.
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  15. Post #175
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    Looks more like the math behind the fuel consumption of an F16 Fighter Jet.
    No I think you need to go back to math class because clearly if you look at that third parenthesis you can see that 2 banshee's veils divided by the sum of mana equals 02 squared. Those numbers clearly scream OP.
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  16. Post #176
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    flubadoo doesn't include probability into his calculations

    hey flub make a map chart showing the approximate chance of a teemo mushroom being at any point on a map
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  17. Post #177
    Relinquere omnes seductiones imperium
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    Xerath and Fiora,
    Best buddies,
    Problem solvers,
    excellent adventures,
    10 men enter, 2 leave.
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  18. Post #178
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    I won :>
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  19. Post #179
    Flubascrub
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    why does this always come back to haunt me

    Edited:

    I won :>
    jax v fiora tho

    darius still unsettled

       this guy is better playing than me   

    Edited:

    also dc from the game and u go play dairus
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  20. Post #180
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    why does this always come back to haunt me

    Edited:



    jax v fiora tho

    darius still unsettled

       this guy is better playing than me   

    Edited:

    also dc from the game and u go play dairus
    I never said Darius was better than fiora, I don't even have Darius, and I won against Darius as Fiora before.
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  21. Post #181
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    May 2010
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    I think that Fiora could beat Jax in lane if Jax is really bad at timing his E. His E can negate her ultimate, and her Burst of Speed AA's, but if she just baits it out and then goes in for the kill shortly after, I think she could kill Jax. Fiora can riposte Jax's W, yes? If so, then yeah, Fiora probably wins an engagement if Jax's E is down, and the Fiora isn't really incompetent.
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  22. Post #182
    Flubascrub
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    sadly i ulted ryu 1 second after he began his E

    like wtf how bad am i
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  23. Post #183
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    January 2010
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    sadly i ulted ryu 1 second after he began his E

    like wtf how bad am i
    That was once, and you had a kill on me.

    Also it's not ryu why the fuck everyone calls me ryu.
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  24. Post #184
    Flubascrub
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    oh i thought it was ryunsles

    change your name
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  25. Post #185
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    May be slightly late but who cares.
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  26. Post #186
    rysunles's Avatar
    January 2010
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    oh i thought it was ryunsles

    change your name
    But, I like it the way it is...
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  27. Post #187
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  28. Post #188
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    May 2009
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    hecarim renekton malphite sivir blitzcrank

    good luck bursting us, enemy team

    Edited:

    goddammit

    veigar singed twitch nocturne kayle

    WHO WINS
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  29. Post #189
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  30. Post #190
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    I always say ggwp "random blame" even if I win.
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  31. Post #191
    wtf am i reading
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    flubadoo doesn't include probability into his calculations

    hey flub make a map chart showing the approximate chance of a teemo mushroom being at any point on a map
    Well, at least he isn't saying brainless stuff like HECARIM WITH PD IS GOOD FUCKING ELITISTS QQ or FIORA IS OP or EVE IS VIABLE (which were all said in this thread) and stuff like that.
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  32. Post #192
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    Dennab
    May 2009
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    well

    fuck that game.

    sivir and blitz each had 9 deaths at 11 minutes. twitch and kayle both had 9 kills and 9 assists.

    guess who won
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  33. Post #193
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    Well, at least he isn't saying brainless stuff like HECARIM WITH PD IS GOOD FUCKING ELITISTS QQ or FIORA IS OP or EVE IS VIABLE (which were all said in this thread) and stuff like that.
    Well he does say Fiora is OP tho :v
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  34. Post #194
    wtf am i reading
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    but with numbers
    Actually giving a reason why she's op
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  35. Post #195
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    Oh nice my game crashed at Ranked champion select and now I get a 30min timer.

    Edited:

    but with numbers
    Actually giving a reason why she's op
    I'm sure people can give numbers as to why Eve is viable tho.

    And I'm not saying Fiora is bad cause I like her too.
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  36. Post #196
    wtf am i reading
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    No they can't because she sucks and Fiora isn't op fuck you all
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  37. Post #197
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    Truly the words of a master, I salute you.
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  38. Post #198
    Murr purr and stuff!
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    I'm sure people can give numbers as to why Eve is viable tho.
    if she still had her stun and if her ult still healed a decent amount upon getting a kill/assist she could easily be viable again (jungle)
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  39. Post #199
    Flubascrub
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    Well he does say Fiora is OP tho :v
    i don't say she's op

    i say she's good at laning, i know for a fact that she sucks when it comes to lategame teamfights

    Edited:

    in fact i don't like to have fiora on my team unless i'm playing her

    hue

    Edited:

    and i can't think of any way that you could come close to proving that eve is viable

    like, no
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  40. Post #200
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    ap skarner is op because his ratios are all ap carry esque (one 1.0 ap ratio, one 0.7, one 0.6 and the final 0.4) and he is the tow truck removing illegally parked champions by either truckin' dat shit away or just absolutely fisting them to death
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