1. Post #5281
    Some weird shit just happened with my launcher, got invited to a game from a mate, joined queue, everything was normal, locked in, then outa nowhere everyone got unlocked and could select the same champions. Then the countdown went to 0 and held for a good 30 seconds then counted down again, then got reqeued, tried closing the game and it said there was no current game available.

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  2. Post #5282
    We Drop Bows On 'Em
    Espio's Avatar
    November 2009
    6,553 Posts
    Ugh. Trundle's ganks are not what they used to be.
    Get people to bait out enemy dashes and you'll easily pick up a kill or at least force a flash
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  3. Post #5283
    Murr purr and stuff!
    Nintendo-Guy's Avatar
    November 2007
    36,166 Posts
    Ugh. Trundle's ganks are not what they used to be.
    because everyone has an escape spell or what
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  4. Post #5284
    I survived the Temple of Doom
    NoShogun's Avatar
    December 2008
    6,106 Posts
    Yeah that. His pillar and stuff are great against people without dashes who actually have to walk. If someone pops ghost or a speedboost it's no problem but so many champs now can just dash through or away from the pillar.

    Edited:

    At least he can still do a lot in teamfights with it.
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  5. Post #5285
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    June 2009
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    Getting people to use their escape spells in your gank attempt is good enough. Gank again soon if they overextend and they won't be able to do it again.
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  6. Post #5286
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  7. Post #5287
    kill yourself
    Protocol7's Avatar
    June 2006
    25,961 Posts
    not if it's ezreal or graves whose escape spell is generally always up
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  8. Post #5288
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    Camper99's Avatar
    November 2005
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    Lee sin with 4 Bloodthirsters, boots and Guardian Angle, go.
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  9. Post #5289
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    July 2008
    8,523 Posts
    Just went against a Fizz/Malz duo mid as Ahri, LoL turned into a survival horror game pretty fast.

    We still won because their Xin and Jayce went AFK.

    Turns out the Fizz was a lvl 30 with 1100 wins

    :/
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  10. Post #5290
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    Radley's Avatar
    December 2009
    7,118 Posts


    Abogabogaboga.
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  11. Post #5291
    I survived the Temple of Doom
    NoShogun's Avatar
    December 2008
    6,106 Posts
    Getting people to use their escape spells in your gank attempt is good enough. Gank again soon if they overextend and they won't be able to do it again.
    I wish it always worked like this. Usually once they retreat to their turret they stay there till their spells get back up.
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  12. Post #5292
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    June 2009
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    Is it a good idea to max out Q first on Veigar? I did that and basically spent the whole game farming AP. Had like 900 AP at the end of the game.
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  13. Post #5293
    Murr purr and stuff!
    Nintendo-Guy's Avatar
    November 2007
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    why would you not max q on veigar
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  14. Post #5294
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    June 2009
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    I didn't know! I thought people maxed his other moves first. ;x;

    I thought I was being sneaky smart.
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  15. Post #5295
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    NotMeh's Avatar
    July 2008
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    Agree for Fiora, Disagree for Vayne.

    I need a new AD carry and I just can't decide between those two

    and yes I'm aware that Fiora is more of a solotop champ, I don't really care.
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  16. Post #5296
    Color's Avatar
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    how does AD kayle work guys?
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  17. Post #5297
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    zerothefallen's Avatar
    March 2010
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    I didn't know! I thought people maxed his other moves first. ;x;

    I thought I was being sneaky smart.
    His early game is terrible, therefore you should spend it farming his Q. your Q should have about +150 AP late game, otherwise you failed as veigar. Max Q, then E, W isn't worth it until late game, because like I said, he is useless until then. Plus you can't hit his W if you don't max his E anyways
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  18. Post #5298
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    June 2009
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    His early game is terrible, therefore you should spend it farming his Q. your Q should have about +150 AP late game, otherwise you failed as veigar. Max Q, then E, W isn't worth it until late game, because like I said, he is useless until then. Plus you can't hit his W if you don't max his E anyways
    http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/30088095#history

    How was the build? :V
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  19. Post #5299
    Remove anime
    jiggu's Avatar
    July 2007
    9,751 Posts
    how does AD kayle work guys?
    You build AD items on her and then she kills stuff.
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  20. Post #5300
    Murr purr and stuff!
    Nintendo-Guy's Avatar
    November 2007
    36,166 Posts
    veigar is one of the few champs where archangel is actually worth it, either that or chalice upgraded to that new item
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  21. Post #5301
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    June 2009
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    I was being focused a lot and their Eve would creep up behind me sometimes. I figured after having like 200 AP farmed up I'd get some AP-defensive items.
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  22. Post #5302
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    zerothefallen's Avatar
    March 2010
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    I recommend building a Deathfire Grasp first, as it adds a huge amount onto his burst. Right afterwards probably a deathcap, then voidstaff. Veigar doesn't require survivability, as you should never ever be in the middle of a team fight, and you are made to 1-hit people as soon as you drop your E. So maxing damage would be best. A rod of ages/rylai's is viable if you really need it though.

    Sorc boots/deathcap/deathfire/void staff/abyssal scepter/situational.


    Late game, you should have an upwards of ~950 AP with this set-up, because your Q just makes it hilarious.

    with the build, a

    Stun > W > Deathfire > Q > R > AA > Ignite if you have it (Sometimes they always escape with like 40 hp, you have no idea how much this helps really).

    They should either
    A. Die
    B. Lose 95% of their HP and be forced to run the fuck away
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  23. Post #5303
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    I had Deathfire Grasp first, actually. Replaced it with Rylai's eventually lategame.

    What about the Zhonya's?
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  24. Post #5304
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    zerothefallen's Avatar
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    I had Deathfire Grasp first, actually. Replaced it with Rylai's eventually lategame.

    What about the Zhonya's?
    Also situational. If they're focusing you in teamfights/strong AD carry. Definitely worth it. Though a deathfire > rylai's in MOST situations. If you think you're doing enough damage without it, then feel free to replace it for survivability and slow.
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  25. Post #5305
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    June 2010
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    The items are, mostly, fine. Deathcap is vital for veigar, Magic Pen. shoes are core and void staff, while situational, is always a good choice.

    However; Rylai's really isn't necessary on Veigar for 2 reasons. The first is that you don't need survivability on veigar as you would on other APs for one reason. You deal your damage to one target in a teamfight, then afterwards you're essentially a poking cc machine until you're breathed on and die. That's also the reason why the slow is unneeded. You're veigar, you have a 2.5s AOE stun, one of the cuntiest ccs in the game.
    Same reason for Zhonyas - You don't need to hang around much longer past your EWQR combo. You can stay around because your Q is a brilliant tool for harrassing, but chances are by then you're already dead. Zhonya's will just turn your squishy ass into a target that says "SHOOT ME FIRST".
    Abyssal is a nice choice, and I suppose it works.

    One important thing for veigar is Deathfire Grasp - it builds from Lucky Pick. It's a key part of your combo. You open up with your stun, then hit W - DFG before W lands - R - Q. Since you'll have a fuckton of AP, DFG will do huge amounts of damage to anyone and everyone. So replace Rylai's with that and see how you fare.
    In place of Zhonyas, maybe a Haunting Guise or AA. If you do go for archangels, buy a tear early on. Since normally a game won't last so long that you'll get a full build, a haunting guise could be a nice purchase between deathcap and abyssal. AA gives a lot of AP, which is always nice. Or, if you are getting bursted down before you can even use your combo, Zhonyas may still work.

    bleh
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  26. Post #5306
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    April 2006
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    Agree for Fiora, Disagree for Vayne.

    I need a new AD carry and I just can't decide between those two

    and yes I'm aware that Fiora is more of a solotop champ, I don't really care.
    Nobody even plays fiora in the carry lane
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  27. Post #5307
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    papaya's Avatar
    June 2010
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    I had Deathfire Grasp first, actually. Replaced it with Rylai's eventually lategame.
    while I see what you're doing, DFG is such a core part of Veigar's burst that only scales further into lategame when everyone gains health and veigar gains more ap, that replacing it is probably a wasted investment.
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  28. Post #5308
    Murr purr and stuff!
    Nintendo-Guy's Avatar
    November 2007
    36,166 Posts
    I had Deathfire Grasp first, actually. Replaced it with Rylai's eventually lategame.
    why would you do such a thing
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  29. Post #5309
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    June 2009
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    Using DFG's active is important I assume. I hate the usage of active items in LoL so much, but I'll do it if I have to. Is there any way to bind slots or something?
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  30. Post #5310
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    zerothefallen's Avatar
    March 2010
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    why would you do such a thing
    because keychain is silly

    Edited:

    Using DFG's active is important I assume. I hate the usage of active items in LoL so much, but I'll do it if I have to. Is there any way to bind slots or something?
    Yeah, in the key binds. Do "smart cast item 1/2/etc"
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  31. Post #5311
    Flubascrub
    Flubadoo's Avatar
    August 2009
    10,532 Posts
    rumble counters xin in lane hard

    play rumble if you want to win games this week
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  32. Post #5312
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    June 2009
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    Well that will useful in later games. Thanks guys!
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  33. Post #5313
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    Kondor58's Avatar
    April 2006
    14,096 Posts
    Play rumble if you want to counter x
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  34. Post #5314
    Go make yourself a fucking waffle.
    Naught's Avatar
    April 2012
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    Using DFG's active is important I assume. I hate the usage of active items in LoL so much, but I'll do it if I have to. Is there any way to bind slots or something?
    never play dota then
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  35. Post #5315
    Flubascrub
    Flubadoo's Avatar
    August 2009
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    Play rumble if you want to counter x
    rumble op
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  36. Post #5316
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    Rumble is the biggest dickface that you can have against you in toplane.
    Only one who can compete him is Yo_rick.
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  37. Post #5317
    Flubascrub
    Flubadoo's Avatar
    August 2009
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    no wonder so many people are playing him now

    i gotta figure out how to beat him with xin

    Edited:

    got my face smashed in by him (kind of) last game. no way i can trade with him
    went roaming and won anyways though
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  38. Post #5318
    You can't beat Rumble with Xin
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  39. Post #5319
    Flubascrub
    Flubadoo's Avatar
    August 2009
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    You can't beat Rumble with Xin
    maybe
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  40. Post #5320
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    October 2008
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    it's not actually hard

    if it's blindpick THEN GOOD LUCK LOL

    if it's anything else, starting rej bead 6pot actually poops through any kind of sustain he has, put together with hp regen quints or mr quints and it's actually quite pathetic
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