America really should just bite the bullet and get universal healthcare, even if it's got a private sector for voluntary procedures. We even have the smokers paying for their own healthcare with tax putting it to about $25 a pack. They're definitely not getting the good deal.
R-money doesn't have a better alternative
I would be thrilled if we could stop calling it Obamacare now.
wow obama socialist!1!!!!
The problem is that mandated health insurance is expensive, and the fines are expensive if you don't pay. So what happens when someone can pay neither?
I don't like that it is a 5-4 decision though, at all.
Every decision has been like this recently and it's very scary to see the highest court as divided as the rest of the country.
Also I absolutely love the rhetoric behind opposition, these "small business owners" talking about how high-deductable plans are working great for them and keeping their workers from "going to the doctor frivolously" (in non-dickface terms, preventative healthcare).
Don't be blaming us for this, I contributed and got laid off, and my parents both work to the bone.
Rising costs for everyone.. guess I've got no choice but to vote for Romney now to repeal it
The fine for not purchasing health insurance under PPACA is $95 per person in 2014 (or 1% of taxable income, whichever is greater), $325 in 2015 (or 2%), and $695 in 2016 (or 2.5%). Thereafter, the mandate is indexed to inflation.
In addition, many people are exempted from the mandate, such as those for whom premiums exceed 8 percent of household income. Hence, as premiums increase, more and more people will be exempted from the mandate.
The size of the mandate’s penalty is puny in comparison to the cost of health insurance. According to the government’s Medical Expenditure Panel Survey (MEPS), the average premium for an individual plan in 2010 was $4,940. If we assume that premiums increase by 6 percent a year—the historical rate—the maximum $695 mandate will account for only 10 percent of average premiums.
If companies are mandated to cover unhealthy people your premiums are going up it's that simple
And if employers are forced to provide coverage they'll cut back on wages and in many cases just fire people to reach the cutoff. People will be harmed by this law
Wow... according to a congresswoman, "The world will end and everyone will die if we don't elect Mitt Romney and repeal "Obamacare"." This is what's wrong with the politics in this country right now. Jesus Christ.
"this is not a tax"
...under the tax clause...
I didnt answer that question of Siminov's though i did want to point out the fines themselves (as they stand) are not that bad...
Supposedly the ppaca (lets face it you have no idea what that means so ill say obamacare) "subsidizes" insurance for the poor. But the law is a bit convoluted. For instance, as is, they can not ask your nationality (and so cant use that as cause to not subsidize you)
Im fairly sure even ppl working 20 hours a week at minimum wage make more then migrant workers (and even if they dont the latter are called "undocumented" workers for a reason, and its not for the easily tracked pay stubs)
A lot of the details need to be worked out before anyone can tell us what the details are lol.
Repubs control the house/ dems control the senate- Operation fistfight is a gogogo
I really the extremism on both sides right now... it's like we are just short of people lighting themselves on fire in the streets... it's a big deal but come on, civility please.
I made a post about this in a thread about this a while ago, but can't remember when or where exactly :/
And i'll be buggered if i'm going to read the whole damn bill again to find the clause. Wikipedia has a fairly decent summary of each provision and when it enters into effect, and it'll probably have a link somewhere to the actual text of the bill itself.
It passed intact, but it was a 5-4 decision like every other fucking SCOTUS decision in the last ten years. Seriously, That shit just isn't right.
It was a toothless fine mainly because obama couldnt call it a tax, now that its firmly a tax- there will soon be a way to punish ppl for not paying the fine ERRR tax.
Even w/o the supreme court ruling necessitating changes- it was pretty obvious large chunks of this bill were incomplete. How everything is stitched back together will answer all the questions- there really are no concrete answers for most questions till then.
Good. Now that we know we actually can pass this shit despite GOP cockblocking let's get a proper nationalized healthcare system in place. I want to be able to walk into a doctor's office for preventative care, not because I'll die if I don't.
Justice Roberts wanted to go out with a bang, huh.
Surely insurance is the same as Universal Healthcare anyway. You say you don't want to pay for other people's healthcare but with insurance that is exactly what you do, except the insurance company also makes you pay a little more for their profits, whereas all the money with Universal Healthcare gets spent on Healthcare related things.
There was a source in MD a while ago which also showed that the Americans spent about twice as much per capita as people in the UK, despite the fact that this healthcare was worse and did not cover everyone. So in an attempt to avoid tax you have ended up with a more expensive yet worse healthcare system.
Give me liberty or give me my right to die in my living room at age 36 because I literally cannot afford to live.
We are all going to be forced to get RFID chips now. Goodbye freedom.
I don't understand all the fuss over whether or not this is considered a tax. I'm all for tax increases if they're for the betterment of social programs and social welfare (in my own opinion, of course).