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Post #81
You act as if he chose to do it, when in a sense he didn't. He was in a situation where, to him, it seemed like the only option. I wouldn't feel right in punishing someone who did what they did because of their enviornment.
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How is it a slippery slope? Killing murderers doesn't mean the government will start killing dissenters.
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What the fuck? So do you feel bad for other mass murderers like Jared Loughner, or Hitler?
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I don't believe in the death penalty either, but if you deal drugs you get several years in prison, murder 77 people and you get your own bachelor pad?
WTF??
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Environment can create evil, indeed. But if you're so much of a fucking idiot and waste of oxygen that you consider murdering 77 innocent people because it was the only thing you were compelled to do after a year of nerding the fuck out in World of Warcraft, you should be dead. Honestly, why are you defending someone who did this to themselves? He produced the environment for himself and lead himself to murder.
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I don't know much about Jared, but:
1. I generally take the functionalist view towards the Holocaust.
2. Hitler too was the product of his enviornment.
Did type that out with your fingers, or your head? I think head.
No one can create their own enviornment, and if you think that's how it works you need to re-evaluate your way of thinking.
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I agree it's dumb but it's far from "he killed people, that bloody monster let's butcher him!"
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Are you on drugs?
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Didn't mean dissenters. I mean that justice tends to fuck up. And state executions don't seem odd to you?
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"Rehabilitation"I thought the purpose of prison was to punish criminals, not reward them.
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I agree with this. His environment was a result of whatever life choices he made. Even when people are dealt a bad hand in life, it is their motivation and choices and moral values that over come that. You don't have to turn out bad because your father beat you, or because your parents died, or whatever other bad things could happen in life. That is a total cop out.
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To be fair, what does rehabilitation even do? His life will still be hell after he's released. No one will hire him, he'll eventually lose any home he had. People will hate him and insult him constantly, his life will be worse off than ever before. If anything, executing him is more of a mercy killing.
He doesn't have a chance for rehabilitation, not because he isn't capable of changing, but because everyone around him won't.
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Please stop defending murderers and tyrants.
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Especially when the evidence that gets someone the death penalty is circumstantial, incomplete, questionable, etc. that leaves the convicted possibly actually innocent.
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I agree, but that's not what this article is about. It's about giving a mass murder his own bachelor pad.
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Timothy McVeigh?
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This is not a case where there is questionable evidence.
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That's for him to deal with if/when released.
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I meant the guy from the Tuscon, Arizona shootings.
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I think your on drugs.
You say I can't change anything about my environment eh? Let me go outside and fix that.
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Opps.
Who the fuck is Jared then.
Oh. Right. He should have been shot too.
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That sounds more inhumane than killing him.
"So what if he'll probably be killed by angry mobs after release, and if not, his status as a social pariah may drive him even further insane, that's his problem"
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For the umpteenth time, I'm not supporting giving him this grandiose luxuries but killing him isn't the solution either.
I didn't say this case did have questionable evidence, I was just adding on to his statement in general about executions.
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"Probably"
"may"
I see no certainty in these things and I seriously doubt the people of Norway are a bloodthirsty lot to do so, given the luxury he was awarded with.
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Well I'll agree previous evidence for executions have turned up false, but with newer ways to come up with evidence we can pinpoint people with DNA. There needs to be as much evidence as possible to prove beyond a doubt someone did something if it was as heinous as murder.
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I agree.
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I'm nearly positive there are at least a handful of people out there willing to hurt this guy, and even more-so that would treat him badly if they met him. Especially when they see how well he's getting off after his crimes.
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Well if you're going to be like that, absolutely everybody to have ever lived was a product of their environment.
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If so, it sounds like a more fitting consequence than capital punishment.
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Well unless such people are identified and proven that they will commit a future crime, I don't see how it's avoidable. And even so, what are you going to do? Arrest people for desire to hurt someone?
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I'm saying that it may be better off for everyone involved, including Breivik, for him to be killed. He doesn't have to suffer mistreatment in public, the victims' family gets the closure they deserve, no money has to be spent to allot him special care, and everyone is a bit happier.
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He'll never get free. It might seem like Norway are very soft on their criminals (which is honestly the right way, if they rehabilitate that means they won't come back and will stop wasting your tax money), but once everyone in the system is against you, the system itself won't save you. Breivik will be locked away from society for good. At that point you shouldn't care whether he's dead or alive.
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I dislike utilitarian morals. He has a right to life like any other and denying that right to others does not allow his rights to be infringed on. I understand your point and where you're coming from, I simply disagree on it's the way to go.
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Well for one it saves them the cost of building and maintaining an entire new ward to hold him, not to mention the costs of keeping him alive, healthy, and happy for who knows how many decades.
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I don't think anyone here supports them building a special building for him.
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Why not? If he took other people's rights away, what makes him untouchable? Why does he deserve the same treatment as other people even if he forfeited his rights when he took them away from other people?
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He's like a real-life Joker.
That dude had an entire wing of Arkham built just to house him.
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No he doesn't. You give up your life the instant you take the life of your fellow species.
Especially after you slay 77 members of your species.
He had rights to life, liberty, property, and travel like all free men of this world and he chose to use them to take away those 4 rights from people. 77 People.
Talk about rights and wrongs, the right thing to do is kill him for his wrongs.
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Think beyond this one dude. Capital punishment will bite justice in the ass.
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Also life's short and sucks. Why not try and maximize happiness when everything around you is shit?
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So a human life is equal to a dollar amount that which if goes higher than needed, should be dealt with via execution?
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I'm sure he'll certainly not be happy about it. How is the happiness of two worth more than the one, when the one is still a person?
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No it won't. Capital punishment has been around it Texas for the longest time and I have yet to see cops burst down my door and arrest me for some bogus charge and kill me.
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