1. Post #1

    September 2010
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    the fine that Microsoft has to pay for its abuse of its dominant market position and refusal to provide interoperability documentation. The 1998 case, brought by the Free Software Foundation Europe and the Samba Team and assisted by SIIA, ECIS, IBM, Red Hat and Oracle, was being appealed by Microsoft, which wanted a 2008 ruling and fine to be annulled and to have its costs paid by the Commission and others.

    Instead, it has been ordered to pay 95% of the commission's costs and 80% of the FSFE, Samba Team and the other intervenor's costs. The Associated Press reports that the penalty for non-compliance with a 2004 order has been trimmed by 39 million to 860 million. Microsoft was initially fined 497 million in 2004, then penalised 280 million in 2006 for non-compliance and again, another 899 million in 2008.

    The FSFE's President, Karsten Gerloff, said "The European Commission was right in being tough on Microsoft. We have worked hard to support the Commission in this case, and are extremely proud of the victory we've achieved." The Commission's Joaquin Almunia said the Commission felt the decision "fully vindicates" its action against Microsoft and that, thanks to that action, "a range of innovative products that would otherwise not have seen the light of day were introduced on the market".

    Microsoft said it was "disappointed with the Court's ruling," though it had already made provision for the fines and now has no outstanding issues with the EU Commission. Microsoft has not said whether it plans to appeal to the European Court of Justice, the highest court in Europe. The full judgement can be read on InfoCuria, the archive of Court of Justice case law.
    http://www.h-online.com/open/news/it...e-1627263.html
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  2. Post #2
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    CubeManv2's Avatar
    August 2008
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    you flip bill gates upside down and more then that will fall out of his pockets
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  3. Post #3
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    Dennab
    September 2007
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    you flip bill gates upside down and more then that will fall out of his pockets
    too bad gates has nothing to do with ms any more
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  4. Post #4
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    August 2008
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    abuse of its dominant market position
    This verdict was typed from Windows using Word I bet.
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  5. Post #5
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    July 2010
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    This verdict was typed from Windows using Word I bet.
    Gonna play Devil's Advocate but anyways Microsoft Word isn't software that is bundled with Windows... I believe these cases are referring to the software that is integrated into Windows. Fair enough for that though, Windows is absolutely loaded with so many different services such as media players, media centres, DVD authoring tools and basic word processing (wordpad). These things would no doubt underut competitors of similar products who may struggle to get their products to success because some people would rather not bother download alternatives when Windows already comes with what you need.

    However, although Microsoft would afford it, 860 million Euro seems absolutely ridiculous.

    Edited:

    Honestly I'd rather see a Windows operating system with only basic things such as a basic file browser (we already got Windows Explorer), a basic web browser (I'm not too sure on IE9's integration because it is a very competitive browser, I was thinking of something such as a tabbed Windows Explorer with basic internet browsing capabilities) and the accessories such as Notepad (for purposes such as modifying program files, not for proper word processing). However this idea is unrealistic for Windows at least as it (Windows) targets the mass market which needs to consider convenience for all users, rather than my idea of targeting a minimalist market. Somehow reminds me of looking at some "minimalist" Linux distro, "minimalist" yet packing shit such as a word processor and spreadsheet application which not everyone is going to use.
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    October 2008
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    Honestly I'd rather see a Windows operating system with only basic things such as a basic file browser (we already got Windows Explorer), a basic web browser (I'm not too sure on IE9's integration because it is a very competitive browser, I was thinking of something such as a tabbed Windows Explorer with basic internet browsing capabilities) and the accessories such as Notepad (for purposes such as modifying program files, not for proper word processing).
    Basically make the "N editions" the standard editions then.

  7. Post #7
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    July 2007
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    I'd really enjoy if Micorosft coughed up specifications for its document formats, instead of having to reverse engineer them. I mean, we have OOXML, but Microsoft hasn't really implemented that.
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    my portfolio
    Dennab
    April 2012
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    So uhhh.. Who gets that money and what's it going to be used for?
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    Dennab
    August 2011
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    What the fuck? 1.5~ billion fucking dollars for this? Who gets that much god damn money, and why? Why is a monopoly warning or whatever worth $1.5 billion, why not just force them to slow their rolls or something? Jesus christ, the only thing that can come of this is a hurt economy, fining a massive employer so much fucking money is going to lead to some cutbacks...
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    I don't like Microsoft much anymore. Mainly for that whole Games for Windows live thing and xbo in general. I do like Bill Gates though, quite a charitable man.
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    July 2007
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    What the fuck? 1.5~ billion fucking dollars for this? Who gets that much god damn money, and why? Why is a monopoly warning or whatever worth $1.5 billion, why not just force them to slow their rolls or something? Jesus christ, the only thing that can come of this is a hurt economy, fining a massive employer so much fucking money is going to lead to some cutbacks...
    Where did you get $1.5bn from it's just over $1bn
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    August 2011
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    What the fuck? 1.5~ billion fucking dollars for this? Who gets that much god damn money, and why? Why is a monopoly warning or whatever worth $1.5 billion, why not just force them to slow their rolls or something? Jesus christ, the only thing that can come of this is a hurt economy, fining a massive employer so much fucking money is going to lead to some cutbacks...
    And it's useless, cause MS is used to just pay their fines and to change nothing.
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  13. Post #13
    Dennab
    August 2011
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    Where did you get $1.5bn from it's just over $1bn
    1.3 billion, I was closer
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    July 2007
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    1.3 billion, I was closer
    No you are wrong, have you actually looked this up or are you just guessing

    Edited:

    The 2008 fine was equal to about 1.3 billion but not the latest one, which is about 1.1 billion

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...85Q0B720120627
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  15. Post #15
    Dennab
    August 2011
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    No you are wrong, have you actually looked this up or are you just guessing

    Edited:

    The 2008 fine was equal to about 1.3 billion but not the latest one, which is about 1.1 billion

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...85Q0B720120627
    Damn my ignorance and uncaring of foreign currencies, I thought this was pounds, I apologize for the misunderstanding

    Either way its still too much god damn money to fine a company
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  16. Post #16
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    Dennab
    November 2008
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    wow is the EU trying to pay up its debt by fining Microsoft lol
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  17. Post #17
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    Dennab
    June 2009
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    Am I understanding this article correctly?

    abuse of its dominant market position and refusal to provide interoperability documentation
    Not sure exactly how much the first part affected the hearing since they provide no examples in the source but they were sued in part because they wouldn't help others reverse engineer their own software? I'm seriously confused.
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  18. Post #18
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    November 2009
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    too bad gates has nothing to do with ms any more
    He's still a chairman at Microsoft, and probably ahs a lot of influence. Ballmer is the big guy, though.

  19. Post #19
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    January 2010
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    Am I understanding this article correctly?



    Not sure exactly how much the first part affected the hearing since they provide no examples in the source but they were sued in part because they wouldn't help others reverse engineer their own software? I'm seriously confused.
    They have the dominant PC market and refuse to document how to make others work with it's network protocol.
    In a monopoly, that hurts potential competitors.
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    Movie quote goes here, because...
    Dennab
    October 2008
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    They have the dominant PC market and refuse to document how to make others work with it's network protocol.
    In a monopoly, that hurts potential competitors.
    That's almost as stupid as Off-Side in Soccer or American Football in general.
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    September 2010
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    if I was running Microsoft I would stop providing service to Europe. case would be dropped pretty quick.
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    They have the dominant PC market and refuse to document how to make others work with it's network protocol.
    In a monopoly, that hurts potential competitors.
    Are you talking about winsock? Because I've used both winsock and normal sockets on a linux box I had and they've never had any problems communicating, they're supposed to work together fine. Or is this about windows hilarious local file sharing systems that nobody uses?

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    June 2011
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    That is a fuck ton of money, even for a large company like Microsoft.
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    January 2012
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    That's almost as stupid as Off-Side in Soccer or American Football in general.
    Off-topic: No offside rule would ruin football, because there would be no passing play, just hoof it to the guy in the area, and defences would have to sit back.

    On topic, it was a smaller fine, but due to non-compliance, which I assume is failure to pay the fine, they increased it.

  25. Post #25
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    March 2007
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    Europe, this is your chance, tell them you'll drop the charges if they bring the Start Button back!
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    October 2008
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    Good, always wanted a new highway 'round here. Thanks Americans, we'll put them to good use.

    Edited:

    if I was running Microsoft I would stop providing service to Europe. case would be dropped pretty quick.
    If you did it, the case would not be dropped (because you are pretty much threatening publicly), you'd lose even more money and you'd probably get fined in the US for it too.
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  27. Post #27
    Movie quote goes here, because...
    Dennab
    October 2008
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    Service Denial. Some whore-ass alternative would come running pretty fast.

  28. Post #28
    Dennab
    May 2012
    338 Posts
    too bad gates has nothing to do with ms any more
    Majority stockholder.
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    Majority stockholder.
    Bill Gates isn't the majority shareholder at Microsoft.
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    What fun is there in making sense?
    Dennab
    October 2007
    9,274 Posts
    So uhhh.. Who gets that money and what's it going to be used for?
    It'll probably end up being used to prop up Greece or Spain for a couple more weeks...

  32. Post #32

    June 2012
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    if I was running Microsoft I would stop providing service to Europe. case would be dropped pretty quick.


    If you did it, the case would not be dropped (because you are pretty much threatening publicly), you'd lose even more money and you'd probably get fined in the US for it too.
    And you think denial of service is illegal why exactly? granted they would prolly lose money if they didnt sell their product there anymore (lose more then the cost of the fine i mean)- it would be a stupid move financially. It would in no way be illegal.

    fake edit to point out microsoft is planning on paying this fine by charging eu users even more then usual

  33. Post #33
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    October 2008
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    Bill Gates isn't the majority shareholder at Microsoft.
    Yes he is.



    From Yahoo finance.
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    December 2006
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    Yes he is.



    From Yahoo finance.
    This is true - when Bill Gates stepped down he said he would remain the majority shareholder.
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  35. Post #35
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    June 2010
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    too bad gates has nothing to do with ms any more
    well he did in 1998...

  36. Post #36
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    February 2009
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    Yes he is.



    From Yahoo finance.
    What about all the institutions and funds that hold shares? According to this his stake is around 6.7%. Am I missing something here?

  37. Post #37
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    October 2008
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    What about all the institutions and funds that hold shares? According to this his stake is around 6.7%. Am I missing something here?
    I guess I didn't read the insitutional ones properly.


  38. Post #38
    LOL
    Dennab
    August 2009
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    Can somebody explain exactly why Microsoft has to pay some sort of fine?

  39. Post #39
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    February 2009
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    We could all explain it, but it probably wouldn't make any sense to anyone, but a lawyer. The details are that Microsoft has been fined with increasing amounts of money for not following EU competitiveness laws. Nothing too unfamiliar because they've already done it with another technology giant Intel.

  40. Post #40
    Movie quote goes here, because...
    Dennab
    October 2008
    8,076 Posts
    Microsoft is used to getting sued. the United States kept money-whoring them in the 90's.