[Belivo]

Rarara posted:

Guys I recently tried Dark Seer and he's by far the most fun hero to play.

So far I've done well compared to the people I'm against, I'm pretty sure I would've failed hard if they were better though, any advice on playing him?

Right now I do the starter items (skip clarity, get an extra branch) -> Magic Stick -> Phase Boots -> Vanguard -> Hood of Defiance -> Pipe of Insight -> Scythe of Vyse -> game usually ends by now
I level E W Q W Q W Q Q W R R E E E stats R stats

I've googled around but not really found any guides I deemed helpful.

My skill build on DS is 1st 4 points goes WEWE, then max W then Q. Never taking ult unless when theres no skills anymore to upgrade. It is questionable, but it's a teamfight spell and a teamfight-spell only, so get it if you really want it.
2 ranks on E most often outruns all slows in the game by that level. (Max speed for 4.5 secs, no slow exept some last longer early-midgame)
W is amazing spell, and DS' kit revolves around it (exept his wall, unless you're planning on casting shell on the illusions), it's like radiance on steroids with lower radius. Use it on dudes who are stayng next to enemies anyways, and surge them too.
My itembuild goes: start with Soulring recipe, branches and salve/tango, maybe clarities.
Buy Soulring from sideshop, along with normal boots. Get vanguard if you don't seem to stay alive, you should have no problem farming due to W.
After that you go straight for BoT, they're good on DS. Phase is good, but it feels meh to me compared to BoT.
After BoT go wtf you ever wanted, DS is a farming machine, he can jungle, go to lane. Basically you can farm anywhere and anytime if you got BoT.
Good items for example are

Basically a very versatile hero, there's a reason he's top pick/ban right now in Comp-Dota.

[Maruhai]

Best Dark Seer build is Aghs Refresher Shivas Blink.
Yes.

[Belivo]

Maruhai posted:

Best Dark Seer build is Aghs Refresher Shivas Blink.
Yes.

   Adding blink into the list   

[laharlsblade]

Rarara posted:

Guys I recently tried Dark Seer and he's by far the most fun hero to play.

So far I've done well compared to the people I'm against, I'm pretty sure I would've failed hard if they were better though, any advice on playing him?

Right now I do the starter items (skip clarity, get an extra branch) -> Magic Stick -> Phase Boots -> Vanguard -> Hood of Defiance -> Pipe of Insight -> Scythe of Vyse -> game usually ends by now
I level E W Q W Q W Q Q W R R E E E stats R stats

I've googled around but not really found any guides I deemed helpful.

I'm sure plenty will disagree but here's how I level him:
W E W Q W E W E E R R Q Q Q Stats R Stats->

As for items, Arcane Boots > Vanguard > Scepter > Heart/(BKB > Heart) > Refresher > More Hearts

I have indeed once gotten to a point where I had Arcane, Vanguard, Scepter, 2 Hearts, and a Refresher. But yeah fuck supporting as Dark Seer, I mean I'm not adverse to buying wards on him or even the courier if you team is full of dipshits, but he has so much goddamn potential and his ult scales better than just about anyone else's. And yes, get the goddamn scepter on him. If anyone disagrees with any of this I'd love to debate it in PMs, Dark Seer is my best character and this is the best way I've seen to play him.

Hell I'll even explain a bit here, I don't get soul ring because it's 800 gold I don't need to spend as arcanes work well enough to keep you in lane indefinitely. I don't get phase because they're rendered obsolete by lvl 4 Surge and Arcanes are good for the Mana. Once you have your vanguard you can tower dive relentlessly. Seriously, people will just try to dodge around their tower but since you've got unslowable max movement speed and 90 dps sitting on your head it is really easy to get kills early. Every time I've told a Seer to get Scepter he informs me that it no longer makes illusions of allies, to which I respond who gives a fuck, illusions dealing 140% damage is well worth it. And basically after you've got boots, vanguard and Scepter you're set, you should have plenty of Mana from boots and Intelligence alone, at this point you'll just have to stay alive when you initiate or be able to tank damage while your shell does all the work, so you get a heart. Sometimes, though, they'll stunlock you or silence or whatever to fuck up your initiation, so you need a bkb. If you have a heart, and somehow find yourself with ~6k gold, might as well get a refresher. After this the game should be over.

[Antary]

What I don`t like about the heropedia the most is that you can`t hear the awesome voicelines anymore.

[titopei]

They will always be there in our hearts.

[Zephyrs]

laharlsblade posted:

Hell I'll even explain a bit here, I don't get soul ring because it's 800 gold I don't need to spend as arcanes work well enough to keep you in lane indefinitely. I don't get phase because they're rendered obsolete by lvl 4 Surge and Arcanes are good for the Mana.

Soul ring is 800g. Arcane is 1500. You don't need boots on dark seer until much later in the game because you have surge. Soul ring also has cheap components that are useful, and provides considerably more burst mana, as well as health and/or mana regeneration. You want to get your vanguard/hood up as fast as possible, and as a result of all the regeneration items the health loss from using soul ring is largely irrelevant.

[doom1337]

Gyrocopter finally got picked in competitive by Next.KZ, this is going to be interesting

[OutOfExile2]

Gyrocopter has been seeing a surprisingly high amount of competitive play lately, at least more than what people expected.
Pick up some damage items and you can wipe a team with flak cannon

Edited:

AND GOD DAMMIT TOBI TURN OFF THE FUCKING OVERLAY

[titopei]

When is all this? The defense?

[xpod1]

doom1337 posted:

Gyrocopter finally got picked in competitive by Next.KZ, this is going to be interesting

storm spirit wrecks shit what a huge surprise

[OutOfExile2]

Disappointingly boring game

[xpod1]

OutOfExile2 posted:

Disappointingly boring game

clearly you do not appreciate all huge plays by a storm spirit

[OutOfExile2]

xpod1 posted:

clearly you do not appreciate all huge plays by a storm spirit

He crushed but watching a team get slaughtered in every lane isn't very fun

[Jonii]

What a stomp.

[Maruhai]

It was actually entertaining to watch, until NextKZ got their first kill.

I just wanted to see if SGC could win without dying once.

[Antary]

Where do you guys watch those games or whatever?

[OutOfExile2]

Antary posted:

Where do you guys watch those games or whatever?

joinDota's main stream generally

[titopei]

Who was NextKZ facing?

[xpod1]

http://www.joindota.com/en/matches/2...orm-games-clan

[laharlsblade]

Zephyrs posted:

Soul ring is 800g. Arcane is 1500. You don't need boots on dark seer until much later in the game because you have surge. Soul ring also has cheap components that are useful, and provides considerably more burst mana, as well as health and/or mana regeneration. You want to get your vanguard/hood up as fast as possible, and as a result of all the regeneration items the health loss from using soul ring is largely irrelevant.

But the mana is only temporary, and the Boots increase mana pool as well. And boots are quite necessary early because of the 12(?) second cd and only 1.5 duration of surge at level 1.

[Dogchow33]

What new stuff does everyone want to see in Dota 6.75 to be put in Dota 2? I want Pit Lord remake so people will play him again.

[Banned?]

One of the best games of my life. The other team had stupid global presence and they used it like pros early. We couldn't be alone, duo or even as three. We needed to roll as a team...so we started smoke ganking. That's where it started turning around for us. A few good smoke ganks, a few won teamfights and we were able to make great progress pushing bottom. We didn't get into their base but we knew we were having the better late game. We lost a few teamfights, found we needed to refocus who we target. Furion was royally fucking us up because we didn't focus him. He just was not doing anything until the last 5 min of the game. After we focused him in two teamfights, which got us middle rax and Ancient towers, we had one more fight that won it for us. Fucking amazing game, fucking amazing teamfights, no one talked shit, everyone played well. I started the game with the comment "A balanced team? I love you guys already." and I'm so glad the game went as well as it did.

[Belivo]

Dogchow33 posted:

What new stuff does everyone want to see in Dota 6.75 to be put in Dota 2? I want Pit Lord remake so people will play him again.

A new hero
New Aghanim effects on heroes who don't have those
New items
Buff to Alchemist
Axe's Base movespeed increased

[l l]

Dogchow33 posted:

What new stuff does everyone want to see in Dota 6.75 to be put in Dota 2? I want Pit Lord remake so people will play him again.

i just want techies in d2

[Dogchow33]

Belivo posted:

A new hero
New Aghanim effects on heroes who don't have those
New items
Buff to Alchemist
Axe's Base movespeed increased

I agree with all of those, but IceFrog usually adds more than one hero in Dota All-Stars updates.

[Maruhai]

l l posted:

i just want techies in d2

That has nothing to do with 6.75

[Santz]

I can tell you what I dont want: Visage. His textures are almost done, im so scared. I think he got an agh upgrade in the last update. More familiars, UGH.

Edited:

Dogchow33 posted:

What new stuff does everyone want to see in Dota 6.75 to be put in Dota 2? I want Pit Lord remake so people will play him again.

Making Fire storm channelling shitted so bad on the hero.

[Belivo]

Dogchow33 posted:

I agree with all of those, but IceFrog usually adds more than one hero in Dota All-Stars updates.

Yeah, but I rather be realistic. At least 1 hero would be very nice.

Is there a timeline for the .75 coming out anyways?

[titopei]

I really want to play rizzrak

[Flubadoo]

Jakiro would be so cool if his E switched between ice and fire attacks with no cooldown, ice slowing, and fire doing aoe dot (lower than it is now ofc)

[theLazyLion]

Just played enchantress.. Damn shes fun.. Got 24-3-12.. Laning with Ursa lol

Edited:

Gotta try out junngling with her.. Looks like fun

[Gorm]

Do you think Mjollnir on luna is good now because of no limitations? or do you think it still should never be picked up with her?

[Banned?]

Gorm posted:

Do you think Mjollnir on luna is good now because of no limitations? or do you think it still should never be picked up with her?

I think there are better options for her as an Agi hero.

[RadioJoNES]

Out of curiosity, does anybody have an idea of how much money Valve has currently made from the DOTA Store. Since I doubt that TF2 and DOTA will have the same player base, It could mean that Valve won't make near as much money from DOTA as TF2.

[FuzzyPoop]

RadioJoNES posted:

Out of curiosity, does anybody have an idea of how much money Valve has currently made from the DOTA Store. Since I doubt that TF2 and DOTA will have the same player base, It could mean that Valve won't make near as much money from DOTA as TF2.

Unlike TF2, you need to play to actually get drops, and drops are what moves the economy.

So... It's really not going to be as profitable, the player base is not going to learn a game as hard as this for the sake of getting hats.

[Falcqn]

Not a big fan of the heropedia.
The new features are great, sure but the feel is horrible.
It feels bad because it's a webpage, and doesn't seem to render as smoothly as the old "learn" tab did, the layout is cramped compared to how it was, and there's no quotes from the heroes anymore :<
On the flipside, the fact that hero info is a separate page instead of just a squished box at the side is much much nicer, and the videos and additional info on each move are brilliant.
If they added all that functionality to the old "learn" tab, it'd be perfect IMO.

[lord0war]

What are some good starting items for tiny mid?

[DarkendSky]

Jungle tide way too good.

[Tokagero]

DarkendSky posted:

Jungle tide way too good.

Pulling to the lane and anchor smash prioritised first with Kraken Shell second ? Or I am seeing a Stout Shield there, which means Anchor Smash > Gush and 1 lvl of Kraken Shell for purge proc ?