All evidence must be provided when challenged.
Demanding citations for claims made is an absolutely reasonable demand. I'm not arguing a point right now, because I can't address your point until I know it's factual. As it stands, it's just a bunch of unsubstantiated anecdotes.
"Prove your claims" is not a red herring.
Read the rules.
You get banned here if you refuse to cite your claims.
Fair enough, but I would think it would be better to counteract with your own evidence than to just sit there and wait for others to speak. I took more of an issue with the gratuitous f-bombing then with the demanding of citations anyway.
I was being sarcastic. I guess mass debate doesn't understand sarcasm very well.
And after ww1, where Austria was utterly economically crushed, a nation full of accountants who had nothing to account for, a nation used to rule which suddenly had nothing to rule.
But they didn't join them even then.
If you like sarcasm, then go discuss stuff in GD, not mass debate.
I acknowledge those points you have made.
Yep guys slavery was totally on its death bed, that's not an argument invented by revisionists after the end of reconstruction nosiree:
And come on guys the southern states had other grievances that took priority over slavery and some states cared more than others about slavery. I mean South Carolina brings it up at the end of the first sentence in its article of secession while Georgia took a whole sentence and a half to bring up the topic. Texas, the beacon of progress of the South took even longer. I mean I'll give SC some credit that's a long fucking sentence:
Mississippi sure knew how unprofitable slavery was. They were desperately trying to find another economic foundation before slavery imploded.
They also go through the trouble of looking back at the history of the country and listing all the wrongs perpetrated on them by the federal government:
We all know tariffs were their main issue of course because South Carolina had a dispute with the federal government 30 years earlier that was quickly resolved and never really brought up again or had any impact on anything in the 1860s.
Just look at what the VP of the Confederates had to say about the tariff issue:
Don't let any of this stop you from arguing in defense of the country that literally existed, for five whole years, because of one of the greatest moral fuck-ups the human race has ever instituted as an economic system. It's almost as if people who know literally jack shit about history keep taking this position that the CSA was somehow defensible in any way whatsoever.
The whole reason you people still think this way is because the textbook manufacturers want the southern schools to buy their books so they dance around slavery as much as they can.
Also, here's a list of reasons other than slavery that the south seceded:
Except Lincoln didn't fucking start it. The south attacked first at fort sumter. Jesus christ we learned this in 4'th grade. Lincoln had no choice.