[meepugh]

[markg06]

I'm surprised Vice hasn't been arrested as terrorists.

[mysteryman]

Wow, i would have loved for more, this is fascinatingly entertaining. However, in all honesty, i'm not surprised at all that this is possible. Not even by a little bit.

[ewitwins]

I look at this and the first thing I think is "Thank-fucking-God we have the CIA and the NSA, and whatever the hell else we have that gets to this shit before they do... I hope."

That's the only way I can think one of these things hasn't made it to a first-world country.

[CottonTM]

That's interesting, but honestly I'm not really that surprised.

[DentalDoctor]

markg06 posted:

I'm surprised Vice hasn't been arrested as terrorists.

They're not doing this to BE terrorists, they're demonstrating how fucked-up easy it is to acquire a Nuclear Warhead.

[LtBubbles]

I'll take twenty!


Seriously though, i wonder how nothing REALLY bad has came out of this yet.
And that scares me, how long will it take until it happens?

[Clementine]

I wonder what the point of blurring and distorting his voice is if they show his house, what he wears, the inside of his house...and I feel like if someone was close to him they'd know all of those pretty well, and would be able to tell it was him.

[Greenen72]

Clementine posted:

I wonder what the point of blurring and distorting his voice is if they show his house, what he wears, the inside of his house...and I feel like if someone was close to him they'd know all of those pretty well, and would be able to tell it was him.

because sadly not everyone in the world is his close friend

[Psygo]

well know I know how to get rid of that guy...

[abcpea2]

what else can you get

[ButtsexV3]

Clementine posted:

I wonder what the point of blurring and distorting his voice is if they show his house, what he wears, the inside of his house...and I feel like if someone was close to him they'd know all of those pretty well, and would be able to tell it was him.

that wasn't his house

[meepugh]

abcpea2 posted:

what else can you get

Anything that is worth a large sum of money.

[Glorbo]

LtBubbles posted:

I'll take twenty!


Seriously though, i wonder how nothing REALLY bad has came out of this yet.

Because it's hard to keep this kind of thing a secret if you don;t have a well established body of government. Shit, it's hard to keep this thing a secret even if you do have a government.
Also, setting off one of those things would cause a shitstorm beyond any sort of belief and would probably lead to the annihilation of the the terrorist group who used it, along with a massive invasion to wherever they are currently stationed. Even for a terrorist organization, setting one of these off is suicide.

[absolalone111]

I love the fact he buried it at his mothers

[Diago21]

absolalone111 posted:

I love the fact he buried it at his mothers

Imagine if she was planting more vegetables one day and she digs into the ground, she won't be very happy.

[LoLWaT?]

That is extremely frightening... To know it's that easy.

This is bad.

[Glorbo]

IMO, the fact that this guy can still sell these things freely (if they're real and not full of shit that is) means he's a very big informant, probably for the US government.

[kirederf7]

Well it's not an actual bomb it's just the device that detonates one..

[thisispain]

it doesn't have to be the black market:

Edited:

yep that's them buying guns to use on their own people, and we in the United States pay for it.

fucking hell

[GoDong-DK]

VICE is such a nice channel. I remember watching their Viceguide to North Korea a long time ago.

[H4ngman]

It's frightening to think about all the shit that is going on in the world that the news don't cover. The entire war in the middle east brought about so much fucking around by everyone involved, we might never ever get to know the full truth of what is going on behind closed doors. It's good to see that at least someone takes investigative journalism seriously instead of buying stories or getting payed to do them.
I don't think it's anywhere near crazy or paranoid to think our news are deceptive and controlled and that there is shit going on in the world that would blow our minds on so many levels

[Mr.Campin]

That's actually quite scary knowning that people can quite freely buy nuclear devices, in this case that was a detonator.

[Scotchair]

Fucking love Vice.

[carcarcargo]

From what I understand they can only get the detonators, or at least that's what I got from the video.

[scout1]

It's a nice documentary, but has several skewed facts (probably for good reason). Firstly - Dirty bombs CAN have their irradiation decontaminated, by their very construction. They will often use a filler material to disperse the radiation (e.g. sand). Secondly, the method of delivery is difficult. I mean, assuming you got it past national borders in the first place. The radioactive material on a dirty bomb is difficult to spread. It's basically a conventional explosive surrounded/packed in with radiated material. This means you'll need to disperse it above a city or area of choosing, and that requires a delivery method. It can be airdropped, or propelled by rocket, but then it requires sophisticated systems to get it to detonate at the right altitude and wind direction to spread effectively. Even then, the deaths actually wouldn't be at the order of thousands, as he so said. It's POSSIBLE to die directly from the bomb by inhaling a large, uneven concentration of it, or rolling around in the radioactive material (i.e. sand), or something silly like that, but most, if any, deaths would come from the panic. The utility of such a weapon is not death - It's just fucking annoying. It costs a lot of money to relocate a city of people, hose down the entire city (every nook and cranny, really), and then move them back in. Not to mention the financial effects of the speculative market when they hear a "NUCLEAR DEVICE" detonated over new york or something.


Regardless, I'm not entirely sure WHAT weapon they actually showed in that video. It appears to be a shaped charge, but that is implausible given their lack of effectiveness in nuclear weapons (casaba howitzers and project orion being the exception). It's also too small to... well, have any real yield. It's theoretically possible to create a weapon that small (a 'nuclear hand grenade') by means of certain manmade elements, but these are impossible to create in sufficient quantity, and of absolutely no military use.


I'll trawl my documents and research, but I have honestly never seen any appreciable nuclear weapon (or detonator) of that size or shape. Honestly, I think that entire thing might be a decoy.

[Profanwolf]

scout1 posted:

It's a nice documentary, but has several skewed facts (probably for good reason). Firstly - Dirty bombs CAN have their irradiation decontaminated, by their very construction. They will often use a filler material to disperse the radiation (e.g. sand). Secondly, the method of delivery is difficult. I mean, assuming you got it past national borders in the first place. The radioactive material on a dirty bomb is difficult to spread. It's basically a conventional explosive surrounded/packed in with radiated material. This means you'll need to disperse it above a city or area of choosing, and that requires a delivery method. It can be airdropped, or propelled by rocket, but then it requires sophisticated systems to get it to detonate at the right altitude and wind direction to spread effectively. Even then, the deaths actually wouldn't be at the order of thousands, as he so said. It's POSSIBLE to die directly from the bomb by inhaling a large, uneven concentration of it, or rolling around in the radioactive material (i.e. sand), or something silly like that, but most, if any, deaths would come from the panic. The utility of such a weapon is not death - It's just fucking annoying. It costs a lot of money to relocate a city of people, hose down the entire city (every nook and cranny, really), and then move them back in. Not to mention the financial effects of the speculative market when they hear a "NUCLEAR DEVICE" detonated over new york or something.


Regardless, I'm not entirely sure WHAT weapon they actually showed in that video. It appears to be a shaped charge, but that is implausible given their lack of effectiveness in nuclear weapons (casaba howitzers and project orion being the exception). It's also too small to... well, have any real yield. It's theoretically possible to create a weapon that small (a 'nuclear hand grenade') by means of certain manmade elements, but these are impossible to create in sufficient quantity, and of absolutely no military use.


I'll trawl my documents and research, but I have honestly never seen any appreciable nuclear weapon (or detonator) of that size or shape. Honestly, I think that entire thing might be a decoy.

armchair general scout1 to the rescue

[Trumple]

As scout1 said, the toughest part is delivery. Fortunately, most first world countries have extremely sophisticated air defence and so bombing/dumping out of a plane is unlikely, unless the plane was disguised as a commercial jet or something
Then perhaps they could just detonate it on the ground using a cheap "dirty bomb"

[GoDong-DK]

scout1 posted:

It's a nice documentary, but has several skewed facts (probably for good reason). Firstly - Dirty bombs CAN have their irradiation decontaminated, by their very construction. They will often use a filler material to disperse the radiation (e.g. sand). Secondly, the method of delivery is difficult. I mean, assuming you got it past national borders in the first place. The radioactive material on a dirty bomb is difficult to spread. It's basically a conventional explosive surrounded/packed in with radiated material. This means you'll need to disperse it above a city or area of choosing, and that requires a delivery method. It can be airdropped, or propelled by rocket, but then it requires sophisticated systems to get it to detonate at the right altitude and wind direction to spread effectively. Even then, the deaths actually wouldn't be at the order of thousands, as he so said. It's POSSIBLE to die directly from the bomb by inhaling a large, uneven concentration of it, or rolling around in the radioactive material (i.e. sand), or something silly like that, but most, if any, deaths would come from the panic. The utility of such a weapon is not death - It's just fucking annoying. It costs a lot of money to relocate a city of people, hose down the entire city (every nook and cranny, really), and then move them back in. Not to mention the financial effects of the speculative market when they hear a "NUCLEAR DEVICE" detonated over new york or something.


Regardless, I'm not entirely sure WHAT weapon they actually showed in that video. It appears to be a shaped charge, but that is implausible given their lack of effectiveness in nuclear weapons (casaba howitzers and project orion being the exception). It's also too small to... well, have any real yield. It's theoretically possible to create a weapon that small (a 'nuclear hand grenade') by means of certain manmade elements, but these are impossible to create in sufficient quantity, and of absolutely no military use.


I'll trawl my documents and research, but I have honestly never seen any appreciable nuclear weapon (or detonator) of that size or shape. Honestly, I think that entire thing might be a decoy.

They had the old military guy responsible for the program check it out - I doubt you have enough knowledge on the matter to really be the one to judge. About the effectiveness of it? It would probably depend on the charge, and radiation are a bit more than "an annoyance".

Edited:

I love how Shane appears to be pretty drunk in the start of this video:

Actually the first two episode's are just Shane being drunk.

[Niklas]

thisispain posted:

it doesn't have to be the black market:

Edited:

yep that's them buying guns to use on their own people, and we in the United States pay for it.

fucking hell

I was suprised to see VBS2 advertised in that magazine at 8:15

[scout1]

GoDong-DK posted:

They had the old military guy responsible for the program check it out - I doubt you have enough knowledge on the matter to really be the one to judge. About the effectiveness of it? It would probably depend on the charge, and radiation are a bit more than "an annoyance".

Let me put it this way

Their nickname is "Weapons of Mass Disruption."

[Roll_Program]

Lol, I've been where they went.

It was quite pleasant.

[Jetblack357]

scout1 posted:

It's a nice documentary, but has several skewed facts (probably for good reason). Firstly - Dirty bombs CAN have their irradiation decontaminated, by their very construction. They will often use a filler material to disperse the radiation (e.g. sand). Secondly, the method of delivery is difficult. I mean, assuming you got it past national borders in the first place. The radioactive material on a dirty bomb is difficult to spread. It's basically a conventional explosive surrounded/packed in with radiated material. This means you'll need to disperse it above a city or area of choosing, and that requires a delivery method. It can be airdropped, or propelled by rocket, but then it requires sophisticated systems to get it to detonate at the right altitude and wind direction to spread effectively. Even then, the deaths actually wouldn't be at the order of thousands, as he so said. It's POSSIBLE to die directly from the bomb by inhaling a large, uneven concentration of it, or rolling around in the radioactive material (i.e. sand), or something silly like that, but most, if any, deaths would come from the panic. The utility of such a weapon is not death - It's just fucking annoying. It costs a lot of money to relocate a city of people, hose down the entire city (every nook and cranny, really), and then move them back in. Not to mention the financial effects of the speculative market when they hear a "NUCLEAR DEVICE" detonated over new york or something.


Regardless, I'm not entirely sure WHAT weapon they actually showed in that video. It appears to be a shaped charge, but that is implausible given their lack of effectiveness in nuclear weapons (casaba howitzers and project orion being the exception). It's also too small to... well, have any real yield. It's theoretically possible to create a weapon that small (a 'nuclear hand grenade') by means of certain manmade elements, but these are impossible to create in sufficient quantity, and of absolutely no military use.


I'll trawl my documents and research, but I have honestly never seen any appreciable nuclear weapon (or detonator) of that size or shape. Honestly, I think that entire thing might be a decoy.

Hard to deliver my ass.

Hmm, apparently no one thinks it looks like the Starship Troopers nuke.

[ChestyMcGee]

thisispain posted:

it doesn't have to be the black market:

Edited:

yep that's them buying guns to use on their own people, and we in the United States pay for it.

fucking hell

it's funny seeing products there made by the same guys who make ArmA

[Profanwolf]

ChestyMcGee posted:

it's funny seeing products there made by the same guys who make ArmA

BIS=/=BIA

[Killuah]

scout1 posted:

It's a nice documentary, but has several skewed facts (probably for good reason). Firstly - Dirty bombs CAN have their irradiation decontaminated, by their very construction. They will often use a filler material to disperse the radiation (e.g. sand). Secondly, the method of delivery is difficult. I mean, assuming you got it past national borders in the first place. The radioactive material on a dirty bomb is difficult to spread. It's basically a conventional explosive surrounded/packed in with radiated material. This means you'll need to disperse it above a city or area of choosing, and that requires a delivery method. It can be airdropped, or propelled by rocket, but then it requires sophisticated systems to get it to detonate at the right altitude and wind direction to spread effectively. Even then, the deaths actually wouldn't be at the order of thousands, as he so said. It's POSSIBLE to die directly from the bomb by inhaling a large, uneven concentration of it, or rolling around in the radioactive material (i.e. sand), or something silly like that, but most, if any, deaths would come from the panic. The utility of such a weapon is not death - It's just fucking annoying. It costs a lot of money to relocate a city of people, hose down the entire city (every nook and cranny, really), and then move them back in. Not to mention the financial effects of the speculative market when they hear a "NUCLEAR DEVICE" detonated over new york or something.


Regardless, I'm not entirely sure WHAT weapon they actually showed in that video. It appears to be a shaped charge, but that is implausible given their lack of effectiveness in nuclear weapons (casaba howitzers and project orion being the exception). It's also too small to... well, have any real yield. It's theoretically possible to create a weapon that small (a 'nuclear hand grenade') by means of certain manmade elements, but these are impossible to create in sufficient quantity, and of absolutely no military use.


I'll trawl my documents and research, but I have honestly never seen any appreciable nuclear weapon (or detonator) of that size or shape. Honestly, I think that entire thing might be a decoy.

Alternatively you detonate it somewhere and then set a huge fire ontop of it and voila the smoke does the rest.

[scout1]

Killuah posted:

Alternatively you detonate it somewhere and then set a huge fire ontop of it and voila the smoke does the rest.

Most cities tend to have firefighting departments. I won't question the delivery method, I've never actually heard of that idea.

[Trunk Monkay]

Not surprising at all, considering there are 3 missing Russian Suitcase Nukes from when the Soviet Union collapsed.

[shian]

How much for one

[Overv]

These documentaries are awesome, I can't believe I haven't heard about this guy myself. This is what Discovery channel used to be like.