[Irish_Cereal]

I recently started really digging into FuelPHP. It's an MVC framework built by the same people as CodeIgniter, only it uses PHP 5.3 and to my understanding, is a lot more technical. I'm really loving it so far. It's flexible, speedy, and easy to pick up given you are familiar with MVC.

Does anyone else here use it? What are your feelings about it?

[graymic]

If you're just doing this for learning that's fine, but if you're going to go into production, surely it's going to be more advantageous to just stick to ASP.net or RoR instead?

I really can't stand the latest PHP frameworks as they are incredibly Verbose. At least that's my impression of the latest ones.

What's FuelPHP like in comparison to Laravel?

[ArgvCompany]

graymic posted:

If you're just doing this for learning that's fine, but if you're going to go into production, surely it's going to be more advantageous to just stick to ASP.net or RoR instead?

I really can't stand the latest PHP frameworks as they are incredibly Verbose. At least that's my impression of the latest ones.

What's FuelPHP like in comparison to Laravel?

I get your point, however PHP support by hosters is much more common.

[graymic]

ArgvCompany posted:

I get your point, however PHP support by hosters is much more common.

I suppose that's fine for small odd jobs, but if you're making an application you really should be setting your own environment up or going for a managed solution. That way what ever you choose will be "supported" most times.

[SteveUK]

ArgvCompany posted:

I get your point, however PHP support by hosters is much more common.

Which is why shared hosting sucks. If you rent a VPS, then you can install Ruby on Rails or ASP.net/Mono.

[Irish_Cereal]

I cannot stand ASP.net. RoR is okay but what's so different about RoR than Fuel?

[swift and shift]

Irish_Cereal posted:

RoR is okay but what's so different about RoR than Fuel?

rails uses ruby and fuel uses php.

If you're going to be making the step up to a real framework, why not also make the step up from PHP. I think a lot of the PHP zealots here don't appreciate the difference a nicely designed language makes to productivity and happiness

[Knallex]

swift and shift posted:

rails uses ruby and fuel uses php.

If you're going to be making the step up to a real framework, why not also make the step up from PHP. I think a lot of the PHP zealots here don't appreciate the difference a nicely designed language makes to productivity and happiness

Some people have difficulties changing languages, even if they want to. It's often a commitment issue like I have, I really want to learn Ruby, but I keep giving up for no reason. Does not really help that Norway, where I live, mostly uses PHP or Java for their sites. Then again, I'm not going to be programming professionally or anything, but yeah.

[a2h]

FuelPHP is nice.

I'd much rather use Rails, but I'm working on a project that has to be in PHP. FuelPHP is actively developed, and it's inspired by Rails (somewhat -- there's a lot of non-Rails behaviours around which I don't like much). So that's my choice. The Rails way is nice.

Also, Oil still amazes me at how it's a CLI app written in PHP

[Irish_Cereal]

I guess I should give RoR a real shot. I have used some frameworks in the past and Fuel is the best. If it's based on Rails like you say, maybe RoR is the way to go. I've also been looking into Django, what's everyone's take on that?

And yes, Oil is pretty amazing. :D

[a2h]

It's not really based on Rails, but it's been influenced by Rails in certain ways. If you go ahead and learn Rails you'll find a lot of similar concepts, but also a lot of different ways of doing things from Fuel as well

[SteveUK]

Irish_Cereal posted:

I cannot stand ASP.net. RoR is okay but what's so different about RoR than Fuel?

Which ASP.net? WebForms or MVC? I have to use WebForms at work at it's not too bad, and MVC is awesome. Why didn't you like it?

[Irish_Cereal]

SteveUK posted:

Which ASP.net? WebForms or MVC? I have to use WebForms at work at it's not too bad, and MVC is awesome. Why didn't you like it?

I worked with it a while back and maybe it was the developer more than the language but it seemed so messy and clunky. Maybe I need to give it another look.

I've gotten into Ruby on Rails. I gotta say, I absolutely love it. I never want to touch PHP again. You guys were right. The Active Record and rake tools are amazing. And gems are so easy to use and install. Development just comes so much easier.

Thanks for the tip!

[StinkyJoe]

As far as PHP frameworks go, you can do a lot worse than FuelPHP.

[SteveUK]

Irish_Cereal posted:

I worked with it a while back and maybe it was the developer more than the language but it seemed so messy and clunky. Maybe I need to give it another look.

I've gotten into Ruby on Rails. I gotta say, I absolutely love it. I never want to touch PHP again. You guys were right. The Active Record and rake tools are amazing. And gems are so easy to use and install. Development just comes so much easier.

Thanks for the tip!

So, the answer is WebForms, which is the old ASPX page + code behind? Use ASP.net MVC, it's almost like an entirely different kettle of fish.

[aerochug]

FuelPHP is nice, but Laravel is better.