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Obviously your fucking ego hangs on this thread, you said you won't leave till the OP gets his PC.
Also, how was my build not a lot better than yours? It is obviously the superior 4k build!
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My dropbox link proves that I have and that it suffices for a "GAMING" class.
If you want to be technical yes it is a "BUDGET GAMING RIG" but it does its job well.
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I already told you why it was a poor choice of components. You rated the post dumb, remember?
And this guy isn't on a budget, thus argument is invalidated. Easy as that.
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Look, if OP also wanted to do CAD and video editing, then and's build would make a bit more sense, but not a lot of it. OP only specified gaming, nothing else.
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Your argument is invalid by about $2000-2800 dollars worth.
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$2000-$2800 to you, maybe. Value is subjective. If you don't understand what that means, read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjective_value
Yes, and I agree that this PC is overkill for most games today, and he's shown that he knows and doesn't care. He has shitloads of money and wanted something that will last. Thus I built it. Simple. There's really nothing to argue here.
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How many clients have bitched to you about the price of (mostly) machines that will most likely be used as Facebook machines? Have you built an overkill machine where the client only uses it for Facebook?
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Why?
Uhh... yeah there is. It's called convincing and people someone that is willing to say "hey you're making a wrong move, try this"
Think of this as a chess game as you like.
You have a queen in a killer spot for a check mate and a spot where you could lose your queen from a horse.
Examples: take the King for being the safer $2000 or less build with savings for upgrades.
Lose the Queen for being careless.
What would you choose?
I would certainly go for checkmate and purchase parts for a $2000 or less build because I know it's a safer option and if something does go wrong(which I doubt) then hey presto I have money to repair what's damaged/broken.
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I ask what they're going to use it for. If it's just facebook/FB games/youtube, then I build them a basic $400ish machine. I have never tried to sell someone a gaming computer for web browsing, and I've never had price complaints, although I have gotten a fair of feedback on how surprisingly fast even cheap modern machines are with a fresh install of Win7. Why do you ask?
Look at the guy's attitude. You really think he's going to change his mind with any amount of threadshitting? The only sensible way forward was to just make the damn build, so I did.
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One other point to add: even Geek Squad out of all places would tell you you're paying too much if an employee was willing to be honest about things at the time. Unfortunately, they want to say it, but they can't and will just try to sell you some shit HP.
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You could of tried. Instead of just instantly throwing 2 pages worth of thread shitting yourself.
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I know, I have multiple friends who also work in computer sales at Staples, Best Buy, etc.
If 1.5 pages of making the point were lost on him earlier, one more post wouldn't have made a difference.
Well it's been a nice conversation guys. I'll see you around the forums.
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wow this guy "and" is completely missing the point. no one is preventing OP from purchasing his computer, we are advising him not to. his build is inherently stupid and will not be used to its maximum potential. it is overkill for the sake of being overkill. there is a tiny margin of performance gain with all the extra money he is pumping into his build, and it generally will not benefit him in any way shape or form. having money in your pocket weighs more in life than the odd 40-50GB of RAM that he will NEVER use.
if you cannot see that the tier of hardware he wants to purchase is unnecessary then you must be as dumb as him, regardless of whether or not you are a "PC Building professional". his argument is moronic and will never hold up; he wants to buy these things because they will 'last him'. they most certainly won't and almost everyone in this thread knows this but you. he is buying something for the sake of buying it. he doesn't even think or listen to what we think about it. sure, it's not my money, but I hate seeing people buy things that they will NEVER use, or at least not to their full potential.
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Just noticed the OP hasn't posted in a while. I think we should just let him buy his super mega waste of money machine. If he hasn't been converted yet despite all the debate back and forth for the past few pages, I doubt we can do anything now. Let him throw his money at marginal changes in performance, and let's change our attention to people in the forum who are actually appreciative of our help.
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That's why I always make second thoughts when I'm building one.
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I still don't see the big deal. Some people have disposable incomes and have a lot of money to spend. Clearly there is a lot more practical things he could buy with $4000, but who cares, it's his money, and he wants a $4000 computer; it's a hobby.
Am I an idiot for spending thousands of dollars on my second car? No, it's something I love to work on and drive.
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Alright then, I'll agree to a truce with you.
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I want to buy 64 GB of RAM because future games will need it.
In the future: Yo mate, check out my 3,4 GHz RAM, yo! So hows your build doing?
Well I have 64 gigs of 1,2 GHz ram!
This is a crude example, but maybe it enlightens and or op.
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Whoops, looks like I missed one more blind person.
Yes, and I agree that this PC is overkill for most games today. I agree! We're saying the same thing. OP's shown that he knows and doesn't care. He has shitloads of money and wanted something that will last. Thus I built it. Simple. There's really nothing to argue here.
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This.
You're making a clockspeed vs capacity argument? That's not even the least bit relevant here...
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No. You can't.
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yeah, I did not read that, I must admit. but something has still gone completely over your head. it WILL NOT LAST
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You can build a fast PC that will last longer than a more budgetized PC. I agree, there is no such thing as literally "futureproof" tech. But OP will just have to upgrade in 5-7 years instead of 3-5 years with more sane builds.
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No PC will last 5-7 years. 3-4 is the absolute maximum, simply because by then, there are new generations of everything. You cant make this period longer, not even slightly.
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Funny you say that. My gaming PC right now runs on a Q6600 running at 3Ghz, a CPU from 2007, which is now 5-something years old and wasn't even top-end for its own time. It runs BF3 on high with 30ish FPS with a 5850, now a 3 year old card. I don't plan on upgrading anytime soon because I have other things to spend money on now.
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my Dell desktop lasted me a good 5 years and I only had to replace the video card once for about $170 USD. still, though, it is 2012 now and no one should be building for something "to last". as we saw in one of the other pages of the thread two GTX 4xx cards came out in the same year and the newer one nearly doubled the performance
arguably a $1500-$2000 build should still last you 4-5 years. but buying the best hardware "to last" is silly and spending $4200 on a gaming PC is something I will never get my head around
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You realize the 5850 is an upgrade you did in the meantime? As well as that BF3 is mostly GPU intensive? And also that BF3 is a lot more optimized than many older games?
Give me your A+ and I'll personally request that they revoke it.
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You cannot futureproof a PC for over 4-5 years, because companies will always have a new technologies up their sleeves that won't be compatible with old hardware (e.g.: DX12). The "futureproof" argument is dumb, and now invalid. This is why no sane people buy top-of-the-line $4k PCs for gaming, because they know that new technologies won't be backwards compatible.
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No, my 5850 grew in all by itself, I never installed it myself as an upgrade or anything. BF3 makes use of up to 8 hardware CPU threads and will see FPS increases continually until that critera is met. BF3 is on high is real hardware-light, yeah, nobody uses it as a go-to benchmark these days or anything. And yeah, because the cert groups will revoke someone's cert for putting it to good use. Your entire nonsense post has just been picked apart to pieces. Good day!
See above. My 2007 hardware is running 2012 games quite handily, thank you.
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I just don't understand why the OP wouldn't split the money. If you spent $2000 now, and then $500 each successive year, you'd end up with a better rig in year 4 than you would if you blew it all at the beginning. Plus, you could make quite a lot of your money back by selling the old hardware that you replaced.
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I agree. Shame he's not willing to go that route.
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So the question still stands.
Why the hell did you go and give him a $4000 list when you could of agreed outright minimizing the amount of threadshit we just went through for the past few hours instead of what everyone was saying.
You dug a massive hole.
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I agreed from the very beginning that this was a silly way of doing things. I just went with it anyways because he's not changing his mind.
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Good. We're all on the same page now.
OP can do what he wants, but he has "more money than computer sense".
His goal in building a system is impossible.
He insulted people who tried who help him.
He's not going to change his mind, so our job is done.
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Your job was never to change his mind. It was to help him build a $4000 computer.
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Jesus guys, help or dont post!
Expressing your opinions over and over again does not count as helping.
If something has already been suggested, there's no need to re-iterate the same point in a new post, that's what ratings are for.
Keep this on track or it gets locked.
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OP, if you still even give a shit about this terrible thread, read this. Seriously. You don't need a $4k computer.
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How is this even remotely dumb, sorry for one last go at helping. Didn't know that was frowned upon.
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Now for some actual help, and going off of the earlier build:
link: http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/Pu...umber=14936529
Modified it so it's a bit less wasteful yet. Changes:
Swapped out the mobo for something that fits the bill without being overpriced at all.
Swapped the dual superclocked 680s for the cheapest and also one of the best-rated (and also slightly-overclocked) 670s from MSI that can be overclocked even more to be nearly equal to the 680s anyways.
Swapped out the 512GB Vertex 4 for a 256GB one. This is still one of the best SSDs for real-world tasks.
Swapped out the H100 for a Hyper 212 evo. One of the best reasonably-priced coolers out there, will cost you a lot less than the H100 and be less of a pain to install, not to mention OC margins are going to be similar. The important thing is getting off the stock cooler.
Removed the 1TB velociraptor, that was pretty wasteful at $300. You can just get a hard drive later if you need more storage, but the 256GB SSD should be plenty for now.
Total: $2200 (instead of $3400 for "and" or $4100 in OP)
Update:
Made a few more adjustments:
Swapped the RAM for a 1333MHz kit which costs a lot less. Memory speed means jack shit for anything except memory bandwidth benchmarks.
Swapped the PSU for something more fitting and less overpriced.
Swapped the case for something essentially just as nice except for half the price.
Total is now $1950 and performance is going to be next to equivalent with "and"'s build and better than the build in the OP.
Agreed.
Update 2:
Just a few more changes:
Replaced the MSI 670's with some Gigabyte ones with much better cooling at the same price.
Replaced the 256GB vertex 4 with a 128GB one. Let's be real here.
Total: $1820
I'm tempted to buy this thing myself now.
Update 3:
Swapped the PSU again for something cheaper and modular. Total: $1803.91. Updated screenshot.
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Let him spend his money.
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This is why you were rated dumb:
Did you even read his post? Refer to the over and over part; you weren't the first and won't be the last to get mad when someone wants to buy a really expensive computer.
Now give me a second while I make him a computer.
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http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/Pu...umber=14937069
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Fixed that link: http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/Pu...umber=14937069
You can't just make a wishlist public and link it to other people, it asks them to login to your account. You have to copy your wishlist ID from the URL and then visit a random public wishlist and replace the ID with yours to make a linkable wishlist.
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