1. Post #2641
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    January 2009
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    type 62 looks very fun, want stats on the gun doe
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    [TD]Driver[/TD]
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    [TD]Gunner[/TD]
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    [TD]Loader[/TD]
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    [TD]Level: [/TD]
    [TD]6[/TD]
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    [TR]
    [TD]Health: [/TD]
    [TD]690[/TD]
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    [TR]
    [TD]Speed limit: [/TD]
    [TD]50/23[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Penetration: [/TD]
    [TD]130/205/43[/TD]
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    [TD]Damage: [/TD]
    [TD]160/160/280[/TD]
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    [TD]Rate of fire: [/TD]
    [TD]10.51[/TD]
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    [TD]Accuracy: [/TD]
    [TD]0.39[/TD]
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    [TD]Aim time: [/TD]
    [TD]2.29[/TD]
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    [TD]View range: [/TD]
    [TD]390[/TD]
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    [TD]Signal range: [/TD]
    [TD]660[/TD]
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    [TD]Price: [/TD]
    [TD] 4 800[/TD]
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    [TD] Hull

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    [TD]Health: [/TD]
    [TD]552[/TD]
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    [TD]Ammo bays health[/TD]
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    [TD]- maximum: [/TD]
    [TD]140[/TD]
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    [TD]- repaired: [/TD]
    [TD]90[/TD]
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    [TD]Fuel tanks health[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
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    [TD]- maximum: [/TD]
    [TD]150[/TD]
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    [TD]- repaired: [/TD]
    [TD]60[/TD]
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    [TD]Weight: [/TD]
    [TD]7 400[/TD]
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    [TD]Level: [/TD]
    [TD]7[/TD]
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    [TD]Load limit: [/TD]
    [TD]21 850[/TD]
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    [TD]Traverse speed: [/TD]
    [TD]45[/TD]
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    [TD]Terrain resistance[/TD]
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    [TD]- strong: [/TD]
    [TD]0.91[/TD]
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    [TD]- medium: [/TD]
    [TD]1.03[/TD]
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    [TD]- weak: [/TD]
    [TD]1.83[/TD]
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    [TD]Brake force: [/TD]
    [TD]35 500[/TD]
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    [TD]Shot dispersion factor[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
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    [TD]- movement: [/TD]
    [TD]0.19[/TD]
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    [TD]- rotation: [/TD]
    [TD]0.19[/TD]
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    [TD]Health[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
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    [TD]- maximum: [/TD]
    [TD]130[/TD]
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    [TD]- repaired: [/TD]
    [TD]100[/TD]
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    [TD]Weight: [/TD]
    [TD]7 700[/TD]
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    [TD]Price: [/TD]
    [TD]25 500[/TD]
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    [TD] Turret

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    [TD]Level: [/TD]
    [TD]7[/TD]
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    [TD]Health: [/TD]
    [TD]138[/TD]
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    [TD]View range: [/TD]
    [TD]390[/TD]
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    [TD]Gun arc: [/TD]
    [TD]360[/TD]
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    [TD]Traverse speed: [/TD]
    [TD]46[/TD]
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    [TD]Turret rotator health[/TD]
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    [TD]- maximum: [/TD]
    [TD]120[/TD]
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    [TD]60[/TD]
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    [TD]80[/TD]
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    [TD]40[/TD]
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    [TD]3 000[/TD]
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    [TD]18 000[/TD]
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    [TD]6[/TD]
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    [TD]Caliber: [/TD]
    [TD]85[/TD]
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    [TD]Ammo capacity: [/TD]
    [TD]47[/TD]
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    [TD]Reload time: [/TD]
    [TD]5.71[/TD]
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    [TD]2.29[/TD]
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    [TD]Accuracy: [/TD]
    [TD]0.39[/TD]
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    [TD]0.16[/TD]
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    [TD]4[/TD]
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    [TD]2[/TD]
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    [TD]39.375[/TD]
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    [TD]0.44[/TD]
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    [TD]122[/TD]
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    [TD]61[/TD]
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    [TD]Weight: [/TD]
    [TD]1 500[/TD]
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    [TD]61 530[/TD]
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    [TD]Type 1956 AP[/TD]
    [TD]Type 1956 HEAT[/TD]
    [TD]Type 1956 HE[/TD]
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    [TD]armor piercing[/TD]
    [TD]high explosive
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    [TD]high explosive[/TD]
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    [TD]Penetration: [/TD]
    [TD]116-130[/TD]
    [TD]205-205[/TD]
    [TD]43-43[/TD]
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    [TD]160[/TD]
    [TD]160[/TD]
    [TD]280[/TD]
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    [TD]115[/TD]
    [TD]115[/TD]
    [TD]115[/TD]
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    [TD]0[/TD]
    [TD]0[/TD]
    [TD]1.15[/TD]
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    [TD]Speed: [/TD]
    [TD]792[/TD]
    [TD]634[/TD]
    [TD]792[/TD]
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    [TD]Distance: [/TD]
    [TD]720[/TD]
    [TD]720[/TD]
    [TD]720[/TD]
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    [TD]Price: [/TD]
    [TD]109[/TD]
    [TD]7[/TD]
    [TD]98[/TD]
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    [TD] Engine

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    [TD]7[/TD]
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    [TD]Type: [/TD]
    [TD]diesel[/TD]
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    [TD]430[/TD]
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    [TD]Fire chance: [/TD]
    [TD]0.12[/TD]
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    [TD][/TD]
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    [TD]- maximum: [/TD]
    [TD]300[/TD]
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    [TD]- repaired: [/TD]
    [TD]155[/TD]
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    [TD]Weight: [/TD]
    [TD]700[/TD]
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    [TD]Price: [/TD]
    [TD]79 290[/TD]
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    [TD] Radio

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    [TD]Level: [/TD]
    [TD]8[/TD]
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    [TD]Signal range: [/TD]
    [TD]660[/TD]
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    [TD]Health[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
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    [TD]- maximum: [/TD]
    [TD]120[/TD]
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    [TD]- repaired: [/TD]
    [TD]60[/TD]
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    [TR]
    [TD]Weight: [/TD]
    [TD]100[/TD]
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    [TD]Price: [/TD]
    [TD]29 240[/TD]
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  2. Post #2642
    Azaz3l's Avatar
    April 2010
    1,993 Posts
    There's a distinct lack of BatChat in your album.

    I didn't know the SGSIII could take pictures that good.
    There was no BatChat there sadly, atleast I've seen none.
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  3. Post #2643
    ze beaver's Avatar
    November 2010
    5,529 Posts
    There was no BatChat there sadly, atleast I've seen none.
    I remember seeing a picture of it on display next to the ELC AMX (in the "Salle des curiositÚs" I think) but apparently it's in the depot for restoration.

    What a shame :(
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  4. Post #2644
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    November 2006
    5,663 Posts
    I like how we're praising WG now that they're fixing stuff while 6 months ago we were all bitching about how much of a shit dev they were

    I must admit 8,0 really makes me optimistic about the game's future, it's like they're actually listening to what the players want,
    I don't think this is where you were going with what you said but I'll say it anyway: there is nothing hypocritical about liking a dev who has turned their racist retard boat around and started getting shit right. Now I'm not about to trust them (who in their right mind would trust a bunch of vodka monkeys?) but I'm willing to wait until 8.0 gets some testing done before I judge it.

    Besides, this update will benefit none as much as my glorious german tanks. I can't wait to see what the russian drivers do about german tanks crushing their shit.
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  5. Post #2645
    CabooseRvB's Avatar
    September 2009
    12,197 Posts
    60k more until I get my precious S-51
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  6. Post #2646
    Bumgall's Avatar
    August 2011
    648 Posts
    now if 8.0 only removed arty
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  7. Post #2647
    Secure, Contain, Protect.
    Zombii's Avatar
    October 2008
    7,965 Posts
    I'm going to host some Elevator: Source in the Mumble, anyone want to join in? (if you do just get in mumble)
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  8. Post #2648
    Gold Member
    Doom14's Avatar
    October 2006
    5,928 Posts
    T-50-2's replacement confirmed. It will keep similar mobility as the current T-50-2.

    Mototank MT-25
    I really hope I can keep my T-50-2 and it just becomes unobtainable with no changes.
    After the T23 though, I doubt it. :<
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  9. Post #2649
    Mastahamma's Avatar
    November 2010
    5,728 Posts
    111-130 penetration on a tier 6 light? That's a little lacking, I'd say.
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  10. Post #2650
    DTKT's Avatar
    May 2011
    600 Posts
    111-130 penetration on a tier 6 light? That's a little lacking, I'd say.
    The new MM should help you there.
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  11. Post #2651
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    goon165's Avatar
    August 2006
    9,773 Posts
    111-130 penetration on a tier 6 light? That's a little lacking, I'd say.
    about the same pen as the Sherman 76 and 7.5 L/60, sooooooo.
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  12. Post #2652
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    January 2009
    21,080 Posts
    111-130 penetration on a tier 6 light? That's a little lacking, I'd say.
    Just FYI that's not random 111-130 roll - it's penetration drop from stand-off range to up the 720 maximal range with the 25% randomization applied afterwards.

    Edited:

    about the same pen as the Sherman 76 and 7.5 L/60, sooooooo.
    This gets to tier 10 tho.

    It basically can get one battle tier lower than minimal tier for all the tier 8 prems but also one tier higher than them all, spanning over 4 tiers.
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  13. Post #2653
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    January 2011
    5,447 Posts
    So yeah they basically got rid of the 72 km/h speed limit indeed. My T2 light just got whole lotta more hilarious.

    Meanwhile in the T-50 after making a slight turn while going downhill

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzAF7WuXhKA
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  14. Post #2654
    bloser's Avatar
    May 2011
    402 Posts
    The new MM should help you there.
    The match making on the Type 62 is 7-10. (As proven on the EU wiki.) So match making will not help it out. It's a Chaffee just a higher tier.

    http://wiki.worldoftanks.eu/Type_62
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  15. Post #2655
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    beanhead's Avatar
    May 2009
    5,014 Posts

    sorry for the jpg rape, but is this something amazing?
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  16. Post #2656
    CabooseRvB's Avatar
    September 2009
    12,197 Posts
    Wait until you get on higher tiers
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  17. Post #2657
    I tried to pay a prostitute for a hug, but she turned me down because I'm a huge faggot.
    kirederf7's Avatar
    July 2010
    2,907 Posts

    sorry for the jpg rape, but is this something amazing?
    Not really I have ten of them.. It would be amazing if it was the average exp though.
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  18. Post #2658
    Captain Armed Dildo, Master of Ratings
    cpt.armadillo's Avatar
    February 2011
    5,484 Posts

    sorry for the jpg rape, but is this something amazing?
    Depends on the tank.
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  19. Post #2659
    "Gold Member"
    Dennab
    May 2007
    13,705 Posts
    You know what's funny.

    Here we are in this day and age where we complain about developers making DLC, Yet look at us, lining the fuck up out the door to drop another 20$ on this game.


    Jesus if this keeps up we'll have a WOT convention next year.

    speak for yourself
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  20. Post #2660
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    Doom14's Avatar
    October 2006
    5,928 Posts

    sorry for the jpg rape, but is this something amazing?
    I have to be a whore here.
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  21. Post #2661
    Gold Member
    FlakAttack's Avatar
    November 2006
    5,663 Posts
    WoT has become World of Arty. Every match I play is 5+ arty per team. Fuck it
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  22. Post #2662
    2014 SH Pun Award Nominee
    Awesomecaek's Avatar
    January 2009
    21,080 Posts
    The match making on the Type 62 is 7-10. (As proven on the EU wiki.) So match making will not help it out. It's a Chaffee just a higher tier.

    http://wiki.worldoftanks.eu/Type_62
    Uhm, bro, you are wrong.



    Chaffee has same bottom tiers plus to HIGHER tiers on top of that.

    It has BETTER MM than chaffee.
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  23. Post #2663
    Gold Member
    fishyfish777's Avatar
    November 2007
    6,079 Posts
    T-50-2 HP/Ton: 40
    Chaffee HP/Ton: 28
    Lorraine 40t HP/Ton: 24.5
    AMX13/90 HP/Ton: 23
    Type 62 HP/Ton: 20
    T-44 HP/Ton: 20
    T-54 HP/Ton: 17.5
    IS-8 HP/Ton: 15
    Type 59 HP/Ton: 13

    Overall, being a tier 6 medium-light, I think the matchmaking is fair. It's only about as fast as a fully upgraded T-44 at much cost to armor and gun.
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  24. Post #2664
    ze beaver's Avatar
    November 2010
    5,529 Posts
    T-50-2 HP/Ton: 40
    Chaffee HP/Ton: 28
    Lorraine 40t HP/Ton: 24.5
    AMX13/90 HP/Ton: 23
    Type 62 HP/Ton: 20
    T-44 HP/Ton: 20
    T-54 HP/Ton: 17.5
    IS-8 HP/Ton: 15
    Type 59 HP/Ton: 13

    Overall, being a tier 6 medium-light, I think the matchmaking is fair. It's only about as fast as a fully upgraded T-44 at much cost to armor and gun.
    You forgot to mention its ground resistance is negative which gives it insane acceleration and the ability to turn while maintaing its speed.
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  25. Post #2665
    "Gold Member"
    Dennab
    May 2007
    13,705 Posts
    You forgot to mention its ground resistance is negative which gives it insane acceleration and the ability to turn while maintaing its speed.

    Is this how the T-50-2 makes physically impossible 180 degree turns in half a second while maintaining all speed?
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  26. Post #2666
    bloser's Avatar
    May 2011
    402 Posts
    Uhm, bro, you are wrong.



    Chaffee has same bottom tiers plus to HIGHER tiers on top of that.

    It has BETTER MM than chaffee.
    It was an example. No need to get so offensive now.

    Also, there's no tier 11 and 12's ingame. so it still really wouldn't effect that match making in the long run. Yes it's rated higher, however it won't change the chances of it getting into a tier 10, 9, 8 etc.
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  27. Post #2667
    ze beaver's Avatar
    November 2010
    5,529 Posts
    It was an example. No need to get so offensive now.

    Also, there's no tier 11 and 12's ingame. so it still really wouldn't effect that match making in the long run. Yes it's rated higher, however it won't change the chances of it getting into a tier 10, 9, 8 etc.
    Battle tier =/= vehicle tier

    I thought you'd know this by now.
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  28. Post #2668
    bloser's Avatar
    May 2011
    402 Posts
    Battle tier =/= vehicle tier

    I thought you'd know this by now.
    Well sorry that I don't spend my time worrying about battle tiers of tanks.
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  29. Post #2669
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    goon165's Avatar
    August 2006
    9,773 Posts
    My Russian Motorcycle is ready for 8.0
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  30. Post #2670
    Skeepan Member
    Squarebob's Avatar
    September 2007
    3,517 Posts
    Arty Party Weekend
    Tankers!

    This weekend is Arty Party Weekend! We are giving a credit boost to two old favorites, and a discount to one of the newest artillery pieces on the scene. Bring an umbrella, enjoy!

    Starting at 04:30 PDT (11:30 UTC) on August 10, 2012 and lasting until 04:00 PDT on August 13, 2012 (11:00 UTC) the following bonuses will be active. Curious what time this is in your region? Use this handy Time Zone Converter to help you out.
    50% discount on the following Premium tank:

    -105 leFH18B2

    Credit income bonus: 2x

    -SU-14
    -GW Panther

    Crew Experience Gain for all tanks: 3x

    Discount on Garage Slots: 50%


    Please keep in mind that selling the above listed tanks during the sale will only yield a 50% return of the sale price as credits.
    http://worldoftanks.com/news/1477-arty-party-weekend/
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  31. Post #2671
    2014 SH Pun Award Nominee
    Awesomecaek's Avatar
    January 2009
    21,080 Posts
    At least I know the weekend over which I won't be playing.

    Edited:

    Might go for the 3x on my most relevant tanks but nothing more.
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  32. Post #2672
    Gold Member
    lintz's Avatar
    May 2006
    6,702 Posts
    Is that NA? Please tell me that's just NA.
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  33. Post #2673
    Gold Member
    Tampong's Avatar
    October 2005
    2,113 Posts
    Is that NA? Please tell me that's just NA.
    Well it's from the .com site so I would assume so. If your that worried you can check the euro site.
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  34. Post #2674
    CabooseRvB's Avatar
    September 2009
    12,197 Posts
    Grinding KV2 like a boss.

    I love how scrubs shoot my mantlet while I can shoot theirs and do 300-400 damage a shot.
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  35. Post #2675
    Gold Member
    gufu's Avatar
    May 2008
    9,153 Posts
    KV-2 is a great tank. Penetrates tier 10s and not afraid of anything 1 on 1. On the other hand, it's my unluckiest tank, since it seems to get matchmaker to make all my teams mentally retarded. Maybe some day I'll give enough of a fuck to unlock S-51. On the other hand, the grind to get 100k XP...
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  36. Post #2676
    kill yourself
    Skanic's Avatar
    May 2008
    4,072 Posts
    Superpershing is amazing. 4 victorys in a row
    even better in platoon best is 2 SuperPeshings and 1 Type59 for example.
    Victory!
    Battle: Fjords Freitag, 10. August 2012 00:51:22
    Vehicle: T26E4 SuperPershing
    Experience received: 1.557
    Credits received: 86.661
    Battle Achievements: Steel Wall, Sniper, Master Gunner, Sharpshooter, Mastery Badge: "2nd Class"
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  37. Post #2677
    ze beaver's Avatar
    November 2010
    5,529 Posts
    KV-2 is a great tank. Penetrates tier 10s and not afraid of anything 1 on 1. On the other hand, it's my unluckiest tank, since it seems to get matchmaker to make all my teams mentally retarded. Maybe some day I'll give enough of a fuck to unlock S-51. On the other hand, the grind to get 100k XP...
    Pffffft, sissy.



       I should really stop grind such ridiculous amounts of XP on useless tanks   
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  38. Post #2678
    Gold Member
    LtBubbles's Avatar
    June 2008
    2,607 Posts
    Hahahahah holy shit
    i'll finally get my king tiger's crew perks to 100%
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  39. Post #2679
    I seduce Icelandic boys
    gunnars1's Avatar
    January 2009
    651 Posts
    Is it just me or are there more arty platoons after the patch.
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  40. Post #2680
    ze beaver's Avatar
    November 2010
    5,529 Posts
    Did anyone notice anything weird with the Shacknews article?



    The motherfucking Object 263 (second T10 USSR TD). In that picture it's about as big as the SU-85 which makes no fucking sense at all.
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