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Post #441
ITT: We go to taco bell.
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your comparisons don't make any sense. chick-fil-a is actively trying to further the anti-gay agenda. if apple was actively putting money towards causing shitty working conditions or if the auto industry was actively putting money towards global warming then those comparisons would make sense. and your argument about taxes is just 100% stupid. you HAVE to pay taxes, you don't HAVE to eat chick-fil-a. seriously, you and abcds are comparing either necessities or things with no clear alternatives to buying from a certain fast food joint. so again, either they're homophobes who are eating at chick-fil-a because they support their agenda, or you are ignorant of their agenda and are therefore irrelevant or you know about their agenda, but you don't care which makes you apathetic
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You can support Gay Rights and eat at Chic-Fil-A. Just like you can support labor rights and own an iPhone or be against pedophilia and watch a Polanski film. You're using a service, you are not spewing hate. There is no moral imperative not to eat at Chic-Fil-A because the founder is a fuck-up. The small business owners of that particular restaurant might not be anti-gay, so why avoid their restaurant because someone up the chain is a bigot? Eating there isn't morally wrong. And I'm pretty sure that choosing to eat at a restaurant is not an impulse decision. Honestly I've never been to a Chic-Fil-A nor intend to but I don't think people should avoid going there.
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I'm having a hard time getting around to my point I guess, since it's like 5am here, but I'm just trying to express my belief that eating at Chic-Fil-A != Supporting homophobia. You're buying from a small business owner, who probably doesn't have the same views as the founder. You're buying a chicken sandwich, and it's not your fault some asshole gets a sliver of the profits from the transaction and uses it for malice. Avoiding Chic-Fil-A for the founder's misdeeds just harms those who work for Chic-Fil-A more than the founder himself. If you want to protest his views protest the people he's funding or, better yet, him, not the people down the chain.
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I eat at Chick-Fil-A casually (And still do), but events like this are fucking stupid and moronic. Why go out and spend a massive amount of money showing support for a major corporation all because people are disgusted in what they donate to? I swear, some people put effort in the wrong places..
Why not spend all that money and show support for Rwanda victims during the genocide? How about at least showing support for your fellow man, and buy some less fortunate kid a present this year for Christmas?
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If you buy a Volkswagen you must be in support of Hitler, right?
But on a serious note; what about buying apple products when they have factories in China that drive workers to suicide?
Point in there's more products or services you might think that have dirty money-ties.
Don't drive a VW
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I'm not sure what to think of this
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That seems accurate on the mindset of some of the posters here. It's a big stretch and absurd to accuse people of supporting murders in Uguanda(Lankist, still waiting for a source on these facts please.) and accusing people for buying the food makes them a homophobe.
I'm not sure what to think of this
Apathy? Like the past posters mentioned, me buying the food with very little profit going to these so called 'Hate-groups' far outweighs the benefits on the local economy. Chick-Fil-A employs some 50,000 workers across the country at 1,500 outlets in nearly 40 states. The company generates $2 billion in annual revenue and serves millions of happy customers looking for affordable family food in a family-friendly setting. Shutting down them would create yet even more of a slump in the job market and many dissapointed people. And even then, the sources are a little shady and blurred.
So when you make the accusation that buying from them is funding hate and suffering, the same can be said for many of our other products made in foreign countries.
Call me apathetic, but if theirs one thing I learned in War, is that you you can't save everyone. Even if you wanted to stop Chick-Fil-A from funding these so called 'Murder groups,' you shutting Chick-Fil-A wouldn't make a difference. Everyday, people out there get murdered and killed over stupid senseless shit. Yes I believe it is horrible, but you can't save everyone. We are not Superman. The murderers would find some other way to obtain funding to keep on doing the bad shit. It's just the fucked up world we live in. You can spend your entire life trying to prevent these genocides and murders, but regardless, they are still going to happen.
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we can sure as hell try
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Well aren't you overly fatalistic
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your viewpoint isn't overly helpful. in fact, it's fatalistic, pessimistic, cynical, and nihilistic - these are not qualities which breed the few good things that actually do happen in this world. if we just say "well there's no point in trying to do anything helpful because it's pointless in the long run", you're going to accentuate the negative far too much to appreciate the positive. with that you'll have difficulty seeing it, and you might not believe me when I say that it's there, and it always will be, just as there's always the bad.
the world is far too mixed of a bag for your rigid train of thought to always be applicable. if you look at it from your point of view too long, you'll eventually become blind to that fact.
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We should just go out and buy a bunch of Oreos now, at least they support gay rights. And Oreos are delcicious!
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The CEO gets paid no matter what. If you boycott a franchise, you know who's gonna feel the pain? The employees behind the counter, the average joes.
If there was a boycott, Chick fil a would fire the people who need the job the most, the CEO would get his paycheck no matter what.
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Sad but people will still protest
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The problem is everyone's going after a fast food restaurant when they should be going after the groups, lobbyists, and politicians that are stopping anti-discrimination laws. If CFA completely shut down tomorrow it would be a drop in the bucket to the amount of money some people push into the anti-gay lobby.
If you want laws that abolish the bans on gay marriage than go out and vote. If this many people gave a shit about their local elections this wouldn't be an issue in the first place. It's obviously counter-productive to boycott things like this because the opposite side just comes out in the full force to show their support. And it's a lot easier to show your support for something by going and buying their product en masse than it is to boycott spottily.
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bake someone a cake with laxatives and viagra and then they will have poopboners
August 2007
3,819 Posts
It was linked at least three times. You should probably pay attention when people link things.
Lol it's not a matter of "shutting Chick-Fil-A," it's a matter of them donating money to anti-gay and hate groups that makes me want to take my business elsewhere. I will return should they stop slowing down the progress of equality and ending lives in other parts of the world as a result of their donations.
I don't know why you have to go so far as comparing it to war, it really isn't difficult to stop going to a fast food chain if it's something you choose to do.
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Also I think that whole "you can't save everyone" thing is a pathetic argument, you're basically saying that anything you could ever do to potentially save a life, no matter how small, should not be done because people die anyways.
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There really is no need to get philosophical about this. Most of the apathetic people are apathetic because they don't know any LGBT people and find it hard to emphasize for their rights over a mediocre meal at a mediocre fast food joint that is absolutely nothing special.
Again, I dunno about homophobic, but definitely self-centered, apathetic, and ignorant.
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Well think of it this way. Chick-Fil-A provides funding to people who ruin the lives of others and kill people. Just forget that they're gay and remember that they are people.
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That's what I don't get about all this shit, everyone focuses on the fact that the people effected by this are gay, as oppossed to remembering the most important part, that they're people like everyone else.
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Ever heard of minimum wage?
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Here we go again.
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Funny how this single fast food chain is using it's negative publicity as a way of getting free advertisement
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Well, in this case it wasn't using "negative" publicity. It was using positive publicity from certain Republican candidates who support their stance on LBGT rights. The negative publicity from pro-LBGT groups is giving them more attention that it should really, but it does bring their problems into the public view.
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I understand that, and good, you take your money elsewhere. Maybe you are helping not fund these hate groups. Where is the sources? I looked through the pages and I found nothing helpful. Sorry, I'm retarded, but Mr. Cone, do you mind posting the sources for me? Me love you long time.
Anyway, I compare it to war, because like I typed before, you can't save everyone. It's just a personal experience I've connected. If you don't want to believe me, then that's fine afterall, this is the internet. But I've learned you can't save everyone. Yes, you can boycott them, but again like I mentioned, the baddies WILL find another way to accomplish their objective. Yes, it's pessimistic, fatalistic, or whatever you want to call it, but it's the harsh reality. A few thousand people kissing infront of Chick-Fil-A will not stop these so called massacres(if they are really sponsored by Chick-Fil-A) from happening.
No, I'm saying, if you CAN save a life, why not?! Save it. But you not eating there, regardless is still not going to make a difference. Like I mentioned already, the killings and dyings(again if they are legit) are still going to happen. Your better off supporting your family or your future or even your kids with that money, rather than worrying if a thousand dollars are going to fund these Hate groups.
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He still has a point, they can just cut their part-time workers' hours or slash some employee benefits if they had to. Minimum wage doesn't help much when you're only working 6 hours per week.
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The fact that they will achieve their goal regardless is no reason to help them achieve said goal.
I could say that about anything. What in this life actually "makes a difference?" You constantly point out your military service, is that going to make a difference? Is there not someone else who could easily take your position? Will the world forever know Reserved Parkin as the person who made a difference?
I like to base my actions on "hey, if everyone did it would the world be a better place?" and I would say if everyone stopped the funding of anti-gay groups the world would be a better place. You brought the economic argument, but in reality people would just take their service elsewhere.
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by the logic of saying the baddies will achieve their objective: how have human rights progressed so much?
clearly your logic is flawed. that's not reality. life gets better.
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Let me stop you right there real quick. What 'goal' is the Chick-Fil-A people trying to do? Are we talking about these so called mass-murder funding, or gay camps or what? Because I have yet to see any postings of any reliable sources. Oh, and I am talking about the Anti-Gay hate groups, not baddies all over the world. Just to clear it up.
One second let me get off my high horse. I know deep down I made a difference at least in a few kids lives over in Afghan. Because of us securing the areas, the kids got to attend school without fear of reprisal from the Taliban and the women could actually travel around by themselves without being stoned. We've had 90 year old men come up and thank us with tears in their eyes, relieved we helped them so much, and lift up their shirts to show bullet and stab wounds the taliban did on them. I know deep down, that it may not solve everything, but it's a little something. It's a mixed bag. Your right though, someone could take my place. Maybe they might do better, maybe not. You want to?
Though, we are talking about the Anti-Gay/Hate group bad guys and making a difference in changing them, so this whole paragraph really is pointless and irrelevent, but thanks for asking.
Again, the same can be said for you buying their food products. It may make a little splash, but their are so many hate organizations out there, it's going more than a couple people boycotting Chick-Fil-A. I agree though, the anti-gay groups are a load of BS, but from a realist standpoint, not funding them by eating at chick-fil-a is not going to make much of a difference.
This whole thread I think needs to die. It's just back and forth back and forth back and forth. Or at least move it to the Mass Debate already.
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Human rights have progressed, especially for gays. The bad guys against gays will still achieve their objective, until all the people step up and make a change. It's pretty damn hard to get everyone in America to accept something new such as allowing gays into the community, that previously taboo. Now if we are talking about 'Life' in general, then yes Atrocities take place on a smaller scale and less frequent. Life does not get better for everyone.
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Guys you realize that Chick Fil A donates to actual charities as well as these anti-gay groups right? So part of the money you spend there actually goes to help people, even if another part of that money goes to do something stupid.
You could easily argue that not eating at Chick Fil A is doing as much bad as good, seeing how the charities for the homeless and such aren't getting your money.
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bake someone a cake with laxatives and viagra and then they will have poopboners
August 2007
3,819 Posts
That's great. I will happily take my business there once they stop funding Anti-gay groups. Besides, nothing is keeping me from donating to said charities myself.
Here's what I could quickly gather up:
http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-201_162-10013253-6.html
http://equalitymatters.org/factcheck/201207020001
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/0...itable-giving/
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/gayso...bt-people.html
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life gets better as a whole. all of history just shows that over time we can and do collectively progress society towards a better tomorrow.
anti-gay on a large level isn't going to last much longer.
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Thank you sir, I will now commence reading.
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bake someone a cake with laxatives and viagra and then they will have poopboners
August 2007
3,819 Posts
Also I think from a realistic standpoint the boycott is more about bringing the issues people have with them to their attention and hopefully getting them to donate exclusively to things with a positive cause, rather than directly making them lose money.
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I rather donate my money to those places than having even a fraction of a penny going to the anti LGBT groups.
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