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    According to reports in Mexican magazine Proceso, US Navy SEALs are planning a raid to catch "or kill" notorious Mexican drug lord Joaquin "Shorty" Guzman (aka El Chapo).
    Guzman is the leader of the Sinaloa cartel, regarded as the world's largest and most powerful drug trafficking organization, responsible for a large amount of the instability in Mexico.
    The story, based on anonymous American and Mexican military sources and translated here, explains details of the plan to find Guzman, whom they believe is hiding somewhere in the mountainous region of the western Mexican states of Sinaloa and Durango.
    Aside from Navy SEALs operatives, Northern Command members (a 2002 Pentagon operation created in response to the attacks of Al Qaeda in order to protect national interests and security of U.S. territories) would likely be involved in directing the mission (unlike the similar Osama bin Laden raid in which President Obama and his cabinet members, along with defense personnel, were in the room making decisions during the raid). Two Navy SEALs teams would be involved, one landing from armed helicopters and attacking on ground, another team staying airborne and being assisted by three unmanned drones with missiles attached, reports WIRED.
    A notable omission from the plans is any involvement from the Mexican military, something that hasn't gone unnoticed. While this plan was reportedly approved by Mexico's lame duck President Felipe Calderon, the Mexican army and navy reportedly had serious qualms with the plan. One such objection: American military involvement in Mexico would violate Mexican law, which prohibits foreign law enforcement or military agencies from operating on their territory unless under very strict conditions stipulating the operatives, among other things, be unarmed.
    Another setback to the plan is that Calderon is on his way out, and the incoming Enrique Peña Nieto may not be as welcoming to the thought of U.S. military intervention, nor to the idea that killing the leader necessarily hurts the cartels power.
    The accuracy of the report is hard to gauge, but last year's Osama bin Laden raid is a good reminder that Navy SEALs have carried out similar raids in foreign countries before.
    If it is true, lets hope the raid goes better than the arrest of Guzman's son earlier this year. Mexican authorities paraded their suspect in front of cameras until they were forced to admit they had arrested the wrong man.
    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/navy-...#ixzz23o11rxYe

    Don't the mexicans have their own special forces?
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    Well, there goes the element of surprise
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    I don't know what the fuck Mexico has but I'm glad to have Mexican drug lords taken out of practice.
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    Don't the mexicans have their own special forces?
    I thought their special forces, or a bunch of them at least, became drug lords themselves. The Zeta's I think.
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    I thought their special forces, or a bunch of them at least, became drug lords themselves. The Zeta's I think.
    It was only a handful that defected to the cartels and then later formed their own. Also, this type of operation seems more akin to a Delta and CIA task force like they used to kill Escobar and capture Noriega.
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    Like the fucking media would have any idea what particular SOF unit is going to be carrying out this task, if there is any task at all.

    Given how terrible western media is at source checking even with all their resources, I'm wagering Mexico's media isn't much better.
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    ok so after the druglord is caught and/or killed then what?? som1 else is going to take over his place overnight so the whole opertation will be in vain...
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    ok so after the druglord is caught and/or killed then what?? som1 else is going to take over his place overnight so the whole opertation will be in vain...
    Killing of the leader can very much have an effect on the way the cartel operates and functions. The Medellín Cartel was basically dismantled because of its leaders being killed and captured.
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    ok so after the druglord is caught and/or killed then what?? som1 else is going to take over his place overnight so the whole opertation will be in vain...
    Not everyone knows enough to keep a cartel running.
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    Don't the mexicans have their own special forces?
    They did but they went bad and renamed themselves the zetas.

    Edited:

    It's sort of ironic almost because they were trained by US special forces and now they're part of the disease the southern states are facing.

    Not drugs, but drug related violence.
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    if you've watched act of valor you know mexican SOF are horrible and get shot by ladies with AKs.

    (that's one thing that pissed me off about that movie, mexican SOF are depicted as being terribad, when in reality they should at least be able to operate in their own country without getting raped)

    but yeah this sounds more like a CIA operation because the CIA doesn't really care about your borders as much.
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    Yeah, post on the internet what guy you're going after, then they will be more alert/prepared. Good going various news agencies.

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    Don't the mexicans have their own special forces?
    Why should they take it in their own hands when we have the WORLD POLICE MURRICA!
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    Why should they take it in their own hands when we have the WORLD POLICE MURRICA!
    actually it is our problem as well, the shit that goes on down there slowly floats upstream and fucks us up too
    so yeah, we have to play world police, too bad

    Edited:

    Yeah, post on the internet what guy you're going after, then they will be more alert/prepared. Good going various news agencies.
    i'm pretty sure that the government has to give them a go-ahead for it, for all we know hes probably known that hes being hunted since a month ago or something
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    actually it is our problem as well, the shit that goes on down there slowly floats upstream and fucks us up too
    so yeah, we have to play world police, too bad
    We have to play world police because of problems we created? We created the war on drugs you know, everything we're fighting today used to be yesterdays toothache medication (cocaine) and general analgesic (cannabis). We need to switch from punishment to rehabilitative measures, because punishing drug use won't end it, it makes it worse.

    Cartels are a creation of the war on drugs because if there was no prohibition here and such a high demand for the shit, they'd either not exist or do business in their own country and make it their country's problem.
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    You know this is Facepunch right? Literally everyone agrees drugs should be less restricted.

    That being said the cartels are shitheads drugs or no drugs and need to go away.
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    The US wants to kill El Chapo? That's a huge surprise; he's been actively supporting Mexican government for awhile against his rivals, Los Zetas. In fact, the Mexican Government has been siding with Guzman for a large majority of the Drug War. Now that the Zetas have a stronger foothold, in terms of government corruption, this could be very bad.

    I hate to play sides, but the Sinaloa Cartel has been established for a very long time, and I think this could be a very bad thing. All reports indicate that this particular cartel does not go out of their way to kill civilians. The Zetas do so because they want to actively use terrorist tactics to win.
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    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/navy-...#ixzz23o11rxYe

    Don't the mexicans have their own special forces?
    Most of their special forces have either started their own cartels or joined the existing ones.
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    Well, there goes the element of surprise
    Please, these are the SEALs we're talking about.

    They always have the element of surprise

    Edited:

    Just... just imagine me saying that in a dark and malevolent voice.
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    They are probably publicizing this because they don't actually know where he is and they want him to come out in the open out of fear that they're raiding his shit.

    Also to lower whatever morale the scumbags have.

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    It's number of Diet.com
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    I don't think so.

    Not many countries would call on another country's military special forces to take on non military matters. Mexico does have their own, after all


    Would they?

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    We had already caught him a decade ago and we did jack shit and literally let him escape. I rrrrrrreally hate to say this, but with as corrupt and incompetent as our army is, getting MURRICA WORLD POLICE to act on Mexican soil for once seems to be the only way to get this motherfucker what he deserves. It won't solve the war on drugs or every problem in America, but it will go to show not even the most powerful cartel leader can go unpunished forever.

    This is one of the few persons I'd advocate death penalty for; this guy will keep being as powerful and dangerous if caught. Both Murrica's and Mexico's systems are too flawed.

    Man I know this post sounds bad, but as a mexican, our own government's incompetence has become too frustrating

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    Why should they take it in their own hands when we have the WORLD POLICE MURRICA!
    That's how a regional Hegenomy works nimrod. And because things are getting more and more connected, it won't be long till we have literal World Police.

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    We have to play world police because of problems we created? We created the war on drugs you know, everything we're fighting today used to be yesterdays toothache medication (cocaine) and general analgesic (cannabis). We need to switch from punishment to rehabilitative measures, because punishing drug use won't end it, it makes it worse.

    Cartels are a creation of the war on drugs because if there was no prohibition here and such a high demand for the shit, they'd either not exist or do business in their own country and make it their country's problem.
    Drugs aren't the only things cartels deal with. Human trafficking, kidnapping, money laundering, and extortion come to mind.
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    since when are future navy SEAL ops released to the public? I thought shit like this is classified

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    Drugs aren't the only things cartels deal with. Human trafficking, kidnapping, money laundering, and extortion come to mind.
    Usually what they resort to as a method to keep their business going, which is drugs.

    I'm not saying cartels are good or ruling how they were created by the War on Drugs without evidence, look at the American mafia, it was created by alcohol prohibition, and even after alcohol was reallowed in America they had already taken root. We've been too arrogant with our stance on drugs and allowed profiting criminals to root up into organized machines bent on domination and profit.
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    since when are future navy SEAL ops released to the public? I thought shit like this is classified
    Well we are STARTING to publicly acknowledge the presence of SEAL Team Six (or as they're actually known as, DEVGRU) so operations like this being leaked aren't as bad as when we used to keep them a secret, and even then the government would pull the "we don't know what you are talking about" card, just like they always do with Delta Force. Especially since we just acknowledge DEVGRU as just "spec ops" and not as "Tier One", luckily the media and the general public have no idea what the hell Tier One is.

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    Capturing him has always been a huge priority for both countries. He has been hunted and looked for for decades now and he hasn't stopped hiding in that time. It's a given he'll have to do it for the rest of his life. And I'd like to know what he'd do about a hunter Drone once they find him

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    imagine if this turned out like the raid: redemption
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    Well we are STARTING to publicly acknowledge the presence of SEAL Team Six (or as they're actually known as, DEVGRU) so operations like this being leaked aren't as bad as when we used to keep them a secret, and even then the government would pull the "we don't know what you are talking about" card, just like they always do with Delta Force. Especially since we just acknowledge DEVGRU as just "spec ops" and not as "Tier One", luckily the media and the general public have no idea what the hell Tier One is.
    not since medal of honor

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    Usually what they resort to as a method to keep their business going, which is drugs.

    I'm not saying cartels are good or ruling how they were created by the War on Drugs without evidence, look at the American mafia, it was created by alcohol prohibition, and even after alcohol was reallowed in America they had already taken root. We've been too arrogant with our stance on drugs and allowed profiting criminals to root up into organized machines bent on domination and profit.
    And the mafia went away after alcohol was legalized.

    Oh wait.

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    And the mafia went away after alcohol was legalized.

    Oh wait.
    probably because there was another huge black market for them to move to with illegal drugs

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    probably because there was another huge black market for them to move to with illegal drugs
    Do you know anything about the mafia? Drugs have never been their main trade. Many families refused to even sell them because of their principals.

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    Do you know anything about the mafia? Drugs have never been their main trade. Many families refused to even sell them because of their principals.
    'principals' this isn't the godfather. the mafia has no principals except for making money
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    He looks similar to the drug lord in Breaking bad (don eladio) Was the character based off of this guy?
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    'principals' this isn't the godfather. the mafia has no principals except for making money
    That doesn't change the fact that drugs didn't run the mafia. They were a part of its business, but even if they lost their market, criminal empires such as them always have other way of making a profit.
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    That doesn't change the fact that drugs didn't run the mafia. They were a part of its business, but even if they lost their market, criminal empires such as them always have other way of making a profit.
    nothing as profitable as drugs are for the south american cartels. there's a reason why cartels in mexico are so much more powerful than mafia in the USA.

    Edited:

    i mean seriously, nothing will ever be more profitable than selling drugs for criminals. pablo escobar started his multi-billion dollar drug empire off of like $30 worth of cocaine or something

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    Well, there goes the element of surprise
    I really dont think it matters honestly haha.

    Dude is going down and he should just turn himself over before they just go in an execute him

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    He looks similar to the drug lord in Breaking bad (don eladio) Was the character based off of this guy?
    I highly doubt it, It's just a coincidence, why do almost all the BB fans overthink everything?
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