1. Post #41
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    Dennab
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    Because of what Bush had done prior to Obama entering office.
    Many of these policies were started under Bush Sr. and Clinton. Hell, some were even earlier.

    Our recession can't be blamed on one single president, or even one single policy. It was a pattern of bad policy taking place over a series of decades that eventually culminated in a financial meltdown.
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  2. Post #42
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    Dennab
    March 2005
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    No, because everyone who votes with the candidate I support must be a unique, free-thinking butterfly just like me! It's the other side that is full of brain dead idiots!

    In other news: http://reason.com/archives/2012/08/2...y-must-not-win Tell me how many of these things you have heard from your own side of the argument, and then tell me how many of these things you have heard from the other side.
    what are you saying to me? are you mocking me or...

    I'm Canadian; I have absolutely no stake in the outcome of this election except what position the US and A will choose to shift to to jam its dick back up my country's ass afterwards
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  3. Post #43
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    what are you saying to me? are you mocking me or...

    I'm Canadian; I have absolutely no stake in the outcome of this election except what position the US and A will choose to shift to to jam its dick back up my country's ass afterwards
    I'm not mocking you...

  4. Post #44
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    Dennab
    March 2005
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    I'm not mocking you...
    Yeah I read your post in the wrong tone

    Now come back to bed
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  5. Post #45
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    I remember it being brought up last election predicting an Obama win. However, that might be a revised memory.



    Didn't Bush support all these things as well?
    They were relatively low priority for Bush. Had 9/11 never happened they might have been more important to him, but the wars it led to demanded a heavy focus on foreign policy and national security. At the very end of his presidency he focused more on the economy, but he really wasn't in a position to pull any bullshit.
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  6. Post #46
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    Because Bush was somehow responsible for that?
    Exactly. Just because it started really close to the election in late '08 doesn't mean Bush is automatically responsible for everything that happened after Obama was sworn in.
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  7. Post #47
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    June 2011
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    Exactly. Just because it started really close to the election in late '08 doesn't mean Bush is automatically responsible for everything that happened after Obama was sworn in.
    Um, did you forget the two wars he forced us into?

    The money for those wars doesn't come out of thin air, we were fighting them for the majority of his presidency.
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  8. Post #48
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    Romney said he will veto the Affordable Healthcare Act, so him winning would undo the (small) progress of the last few years regarding healthcare reform
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  9. Post #49
    Bush was a pretty (seemingly) dumb guy, but the world didn't end under him.
    "I conquered 3 countries"
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  10. Post #50
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    If Romney wins, I'm going to find a new planet to live on.

  11. Post #51
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    Dennab
    February 2006
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    If Romney wins, I'm going to find a new planet to live on.
    http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1207300
    This galaxy might have a nice planet for you.
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  12. Post #52
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    July 2007
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    nate silver tore this stupid model apart on twitter

    A Denver Post reporter asked me (http://bit.ly/MNOF1C) about this U. of Colorado election model (http://bit.ly/O7pN4I).

    It's late, so I'll be blunt: I saw their paper and I think there are glaring problems with their methodology.

    The U. of Colo. model fits the equivalent of 7 unknowns to 8 elections. That's not a good idea.

    The Colo. model also assumes huge effects from unemployment if incumbent is a Dem., but none if he's GOP. Hard claim to defend.

    If you want a "fundamentals" model that shows Romney winning, the Hibbs model is a lot more sensible. http://bit.ly/SqgfnH

    Also, it's false advertising to claim CU model has predicted the last 8 elections right. It's a new model. Hasn't predicted anything yet.
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  13. Post #53
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    March 2005
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    Um, did you forget the two wars he forced us into?

    The money for those wars doesn't come out of thin air, we were fighting them for the majority of his presidency.
    do you understand that it takes more than the president's say so to start a war

  14. Post #54
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    do you understand that it takes more than the president's say so to start a war
    just because congress was dumb enough to approve of his crusade doesn't mean he isn't responsible
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  15. Post #55
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    do you understand that it takes more than the president's say so to start a war
    In theory, yeah.
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  16. Post #56
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    do you understand that it takes more than the president's say so to start a war
    Yes, but he was a strong supporter of both wars, he could have done things that steered us away from the wars in Iraq / Afghanistan.

    We weren't under any actual threat from either country, and the "reason" we went to Iraq turned out to be bullshit. (WMDs)

  17. Post #57
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    Dennab
    March 2005
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    just because congress was dumb enough to approve of his crusade doesn't mean he isn't responsible
    no i agree he is responsible but frankly I think it's asinine to say george bush forced the US into those wars

    say that out loud

  18. Post #58
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    The economy tanking was a worldwide lack of foresight into managing financial transactions and markets and sheer greed. I hate Bush as much as the next man, but come on guys.

  19. Post #59
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    nate silver tore this stupid model apart on twitter
    when I heard "predicted the last 8 elections" I immediately thought "how old is this model" and it turns out it was developed three years ago - so how the fuck can it possibly have "predicted" anything, that's dumb, it was made to explain the data

    anyway remember guys, if you're still worried about Romney winning, the answer is to go out and vote for Obama
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  20. Post #60
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    when I heard "predicted the last 8 elections" I immediately thought "how old is this model" and it turns out it was developed three years ago - so how the fuck can it possibly have "predicted" anything, that's dumb, it was made to explain the data

    anyway remember guys, if you're still worried about Romney winning, the answer is to go out and vote for Obama
    Exactly that's what I thought as well. Typical bullshit.

    I bet they formed this model around the old elections.
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  21. Post #61
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    Many of these policies were started under Bush Sr. and Clinton. Hell, some were even earlier.

    Our recession can't be blamed on one single president, or even one single policy. It was a pattern of bad policy taking place over a series of decades that eventually culminated in a financial meltdown.
    That and the housing market crash was under Democrats at the time during the Bush Administration.
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  23. Post #63
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    Dennab
    September 2010
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    The wars were a lot of peoples fault and a lot of men, including the President, let it continue for their reasons. Remember how Cheyney was making massive bank off of setting his corporation up as the main fuel supplier for the wars?

  24. Post #64
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    It is fun seeing how far left some(seems like most) posters of FP lean from time to time.
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    i think it's more like how far right the american system is
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  26. Post #66
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    September 2010
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    It is fun seeing how far left some(seems like most) posters of FP lean from time to time.
    What do you mean? Because we don't support someone who changes his "Views" on something between planerides and makes things up to try to scare people into demonizing the scary reformer.
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  27. Post #67
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    do you understand that it takes more than the president's say so to start a war
    Not really. Ever since the presidents since Truman started claiming their title of "Commander in Chief" lets them do what ever they wish (and Congress just decided to go with it for god fuck knows why), all the president has to do is send troops in to a country.

    If the people don't like it, if Congress doesn't like it....well, kinda too late, can't just pull everyone out and say, "Whoops, sorry about that, honestly didn't mean to wreck everything" and forget about it.

    If I remember correctly, Congress gave the president [idiotically] 60 or 90 days of doing what ever before Congress has to say, "Okay you're allowed [to keep fighting a war, not that we would be able to say otherwise now anyway]"
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    It is fun seeing how far left some(seems like most) posters of FP lean from time to time.
    It might just feel that way because what America considers a left politician is considered very center-right everywhere else.
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  29. Post #69
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    Dennab
    December 2009
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    Is this model available anywhere?

    I mean wouldn't it be quite sensational if it did predict all the elections correct since the 80s? Seems like it would have been brought up a lot due to that.
    I had heard the opposite from this model that Obama was going to win.

  30. Post #70
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    I don't care either way. Damned if we do, damned if we don't. President's over-all a really useless position anyway, congress can override the president's veto with another 2/3rds vote, which if it passed once, it may as well be able to pass again.

  31. Post #71
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    Dennab
    December 2009
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    Exactly that's what I thought as well. Typical bullshit.

    I bet they formed this model around the old elections.

    PFFT AHAHAHAAHA, how could they do that? Its a completely different landscape.

  32. Post #72
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    intrade disagrees
    why does paul even have a .2% chance its basically impossible for him to get elected get him off of there
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  33. Post #73
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    I don't care either way. Damned if we do, damned if we don't. President's over-all a really useless position anyway, congress can override the president's veto with another 2/3rds vote, which if it passed once, it may as well be able to pass again.
    You underestimate the power of the Executive Order.

    And even if a president doesn't like a bill that landed on his desk, he can just rewrite the "meaning" of the bill and pass it off as however he damn well pleases.

    Edited:

    why does paul even have a .2% chance its basically impossible for him to get elected get him off of there
    I can always still hope :C
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  34. Post #74
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    July 2006
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    538 says that Obama has a 65% chance of winning.

    Honestly there are so many models that contradict each other that you may as well flip a coin.

    Edited:

    Not really. Ever since the presidents since Truman started claiming their title of "Commander in Chief" lets them do what ever they wish (and Congress just decided to go with it for god fuck knows why), all the president has to do is send troops in to a country.

    If the people don't like it, if Congress doesn't like it....well, kinda too late, can't just pull everyone out and say, "Whoops, sorry about that, honestly didn't mean to wreck everything" and forget about it.

    If I remember correctly, Congress gave the president [idiotically] 60 or 90 days of doing what ever before Congress has to say, "Okay you're allowed [to keep fighting a war, not that we would be able to say otherwise now anyway]"
    On one hand, the President has way too much power to wage wars.

    On the other hand, Congress is so slow and dysfunctional that we would have never gone to help Libya, which would have been disastrous for the rebellion. Not fatal, since many other countries helped, but still a big setback for them.
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  35. Post #75
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    July 2009
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    I'm fully convinced that Mitt Romney is a giant lizard who emerged from a sewer in Venezuela and fed on the souls of Mexican orphans to work his way into American society where he met and married his soulless lizard wife.
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  36. Post #76
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    On one hand, the President has way too much power to wage wars.

    On the other hand, Congress is so slow and dysfunctional that we would have never gone to help Libya, which would have been disastrous for the rebellion.
    Congress is SUPPOSE to be slow and dysfunctional in regard to war so we don't go to war on the whim every other day. And the US hardly did anything that impacted the fate of the Libyan rebellion.

    Congress is suppose to be slow to pass such things like going to war so it in itself does not become tyrannical. They just decided to throw it all onto a single man.
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  37. Post #77
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    Congress is SUPPOSE to be slow and dysfunctional in regard to war so we don't go to war on the whim every other day. And the US hardly did anything that impacted the fate of the Libyan rebellion.

    Congress is suppose to be slow to pass such things like going to war so it in itself does not become tyrannical. They just decided to throw it all onto a single man.
    You're right.

    Well I mean Congress should be slow but not dysfunctional.
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  38. Post #78
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    I'm fully convinced that Mitt Romney is a giant lizard who emerged from a sewer in Venezuela and fed on the souls of Mexican orphans to work his way into American society where he met and married his soulless lizard wife.
    It's quite possible. His father was born in Mexico, after all.

  39. Post #79
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    August 2006
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    PFFT AHAHAHAAHA, how could they do that? Its a completely different landscape.
    This is just a guess, but I imagine that they used old data to create their model, which of course would predict the old elections correctly. If this model really is 3 years old then obviosly it has never been tested in any real election.
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  40. Post #80

    July 2011
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    I wish we had better 'main' candidates.
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