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Many of these policies were started under Bush Sr. and Clinton. Hell, some were even earlier.
Our recession can't be blamed on one single president, or even one single policy. It was a pattern of bad policy taking place over a series of decades that eventually culminated in a financial meltdown.
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what are you saying to me? are you mocking me or...
I'm Canadian; I have absolutely no stake in the outcome of this election except what position the US and A will choose to shift to to jam its dick back up my country's ass afterwards
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I'm not mocking you...
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Yeah I read your post in the wrong tone
Now come back to bed
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They were relatively low priority for Bush. Had 9/11 never happened they might have been more important to him, but the wars it led to demanded a heavy focus on foreign policy and national security. At the very end of his presidency he focused more on the economy, but he really wasn't in a position to pull any bullshit.
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Exactly. Just because it started really close to the election in late '08 doesn't mean Bush is automatically responsible for everything that happened after Obama was sworn in.
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Um, did you forget the two wars he forced us into?
The money for those wars doesn't come out of thin air, we were fighting them for the majority of his presidency.
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Romney said he will veto the Affordable Healthcare Act, so him winning would undo the (small) progress of the last few years regarding healthcare reform
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"I conquered 3 countries"
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If Romney wins, I'm going to find a new planet to live on.
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http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1207300
This galaxy might have a nice planet for you.
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nate silver tore this stupid model apart on twitter
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do you understand that it takes more than the president's say so to start a war
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just because congress was dumb enough to approve of his crusade doesn't mean he isn't responsible
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In theory, yeah.
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Yes, but he was a strong supporter of both wars, he could have done things that steered us away from the wars in Iraq / Afghanistan.
We weren't under any actual threat from either country, and the "reason" we went to Iraq turned out to be bullshit. (WMDs)
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no i agree he is responsible but frankly I think it's asinine to say george bush forced the US into those wars
say that out loud
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The economy tanking was a worldwide lack of foresight into managing financial transactions and markets and sheer greed. I hate Bush as much as the next man, but come on guys.
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when I heard "predicted the last 8 elections" I immediately thought "how old is this model" and it turns out it was developed three years ago - so how the fuck can it possibly have "predicted" anything, that's dumb, it was made to explain the data
anyway remember guys, if you're still worried about Romney winning, the answer is to go out and vote for Obama
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Exactly that's what I thought as well. Typical bullshit.
I bet they formed this model around the old elections.
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That and the housing market crash was under Democrats at the time during the Bush Administration.
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"people give DBS shit all the time but he's really a good guy and i'm glad he's my friend" -no one
March 2009
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intrade disagrees
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The wars were a lot of peoples fault and a lot of men, including the President, let it continue for their reasons. Remember how Cheyney was making massive bank off of setting his corporation up as the main fuel supplier for the wars?
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It is fun seeing how far left some(seems like most) posters of FP lean from time to time.
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"people give DBS shit all the time but he's really a good guy and i'm glad he's my friend" -no one
March 2009
17,012 Posts
i think it's more like how far right the american system is
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What do you mean? Because we don't support someone who changes his "Views" on something between planerides and makes things up to try to scare people into demonizing the scary reformer.
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Not really. Ever since the presidents since Truman started claiming their title of "Commander in Chief" lets them do what ever they wish (and Congress just decided to go with it for god fuck knows why), all the president has to do is send troops in to a country.
If the people don't like it, if Congress doesn't like it....well, kinda too late, can't just pull everyone out and say, "Whoops, sorry about that, honestly didn't mean to wreck everything" and forget about it.
If I remember correctly, Congress gave the president [idiotically] 60 or 90 days of doing what ever before Congress has to say, "Okay you're allowed [to keep fighting a war, not that we would be able to say otherwise now anyway]"
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It might just feel that way because what America considers a left politician is considered very center-right everywhere else.
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I had heard the opposite from this model that Obama was going to win.
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I don't care either way. Damned if we do, damned if we don't. President's over-all a really useless position anyway, congress can override the president's veto with another 2/3rds vote, which if it passed once, it may as well be able to pass again.
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PFFT AHAHAHAAHA, how could they do that? Its a completely different landscape.
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why does paul even have a .2% chance its basically impossible for him to get elected get him off of there
intrade disagrees
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You underestimate the power of the Executive Order.
And even if a president doesn't like a bill that landed on his desk, he can just rewrite the "meaning" of the bill and pass it off as however he damn well pleases.
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I can always still hope :C
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538 says that Obama has a 65% chance of winning.
Honestly there are so many models that contradict each other that you may as well flip a coin.
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On one hand, the President has way too much power to wage wars.
On the other hand, Congress is so slow and dysfunctional that we would have never gone to help Libya, which would have been disastrous for the rebellion. Not fatal, since many other countries helped, but still a big setback for them.
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I'm fully convinced that Mitt Romney is a giant lizard who emerged from a sewer in Venezuela and fed on the souls of Mexican orphans to work his way into American society where he met and married his soulless lizard wife.
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Congress is SUPPOSE to be slow and dysfunctional in regard to war so we don't go to war on the whim every other day. And the US hardly did anything that impacted the fate of the Libyan rebellion.
Congress is suppose to be slow to pass such things like going to war so it in itself does not become tyrannical. They just decided to throw it all onto a single man.
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You're right.
Well I mean Congress should be slow but not dysfunctional.
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It's quite possible. His father was born in Mexico, after all.
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This is just a guess, but I imagine that they used old data to create their model, which of course would predict the old elections correctly. If this model really is 3 years old then obviosly it has never been tested in any real election.
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I wish we had better 'main' candidates.
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