1. Post #1
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    Dennab
    September 2008
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    Think about it - it happened 11 years ago. Sure, it killed 3,000 people - but started a war where we killed at least 65,000 civilians, and probably more. Why, 11 years after the fact, do we still build $500 million dollar memorials (costs $60 million dollars a year to run - each year it gets less and less relevant). I get it that it's closer to home and some of us knew people in the towers, and it's still obviously a great loss. But we use this as an excuse to start a war, that killed 65,000-118,000 civilians, and they don't get any sort of memorial, or day of remembrance, or moment of silence, or anything. Why is it that we are still so touchy about the subject 11 years later?

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  2. Post #2
    BrownTown's Avatar
    January 2012
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    Even though it is really not that relevant anymore, it will be considered a landmark moment in history. It is an event that should be remembered, but I think stopping school for a memorial ceremony and such 11 years after the fact is a bit much.
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  3. Post #3
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    geel9's Avatar
    June 2008
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    The reason people remember 9/11 is for fear mongering and profit.

    Nobody remembers the people that died on 9/11 that weren't anywhere near the world trade center.
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  4. Post #4
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    Dennab
    March 2009
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    We need to stop caring so much about 9/11, it only show the terrorists how much damage they have actually done. All it took was the sacrifice of 6 men in the beginning of a "Jihad" a holy war and it left an entire nation trembling in fear for many many years to come.

    Or you could also say "Terrorists win"
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  5. Post #5
    fingerinmum's Avatar
    May 2012
    184 Posts
    I think people are over it. 911 is just a sales pitch to keep a war going for other reasons. It was their green light for Iraq and Afghanistan and another 'attack' would suit the establishment just fine as its an excuse to bury bad news whilst the worlds attn is on something huge and allows them to make their next move with less opposition.
    War is a dirty business, stay out of the military.
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  6. Post #6
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    Dennab
    June 2009
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    let's just forget about the 3,000, fuck them amirite

    same with the 8 million that died during the holocaust

    that happened like, what, a million years ago? totally not relevant at all anymore and it definitely had no impact on history
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  7. Post #7
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    Protocol7's Avatar
    June 2006
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    let's just forget about the 3,000, fuck them amirite

    same with the 8 million that died during the holocaust

    that happened like, what, a million years ago? totally not relevant at all anymore and it definitely had no impact on history
    There's a difference between getting over something and completely forgetting it.

    9/11 was a tragedy but it's time to stop living in the past as a country.
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  8. Post #8
    Rammlied's Avatar
    May 2010
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    Don't compare the holocaust to a terrorist attack please.

    We should remember 9/11, but we shouldn't treat it like the saddest moment in American history or like this massive act of war.
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  9. Post #9
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    June 2011
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    let's just forget about the 3,000, fuck them amirite

    same with the 8 million that died during the holocaust

    that happened like, what, a million years ago? totally not relevant at all anymore and it definitely had no impact on history
    I'm sorry but this, this is just so. So, disrespectful, I'm pretty sure if and when someone in your immediate family dies you don't want others saying "Fuck them, am I right?". Also saying the Holocaust had no effect on history is just down right ignorant.

    Anyways, I agree, us trembling in fear for so long like this is just kind of saying that the terrorists won. They wanted to invoke terror and that is what they done, hell that terror is still felt today.
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  10. Post #10
    itty-bitty pretty kitty
    Dennab
    September 2008
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    I'm sorry but this, this is just so. So, disrespectful, I'm pretty sure if and when someone in your immediate family dies you don't want others saying "Fuck them, am I right?". Also saying the Holocaust had no effect on history is just down right ignorant.
    Sarcasm.
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  11. Post #11
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    June 2011
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    Why, 11 years after the fact, do we still build $500 million dollar memorials (costs $60 million dollars a year to run - each year it gets less and less relevant).
    Pearl Harbor has an expensive memorial. Does it get less relevant each year? Many would argue that it doesn't.

    I get it that it's closer to home and some of us knew people in the towers, and it's still obviously a great loss. But we use this as an excuse to start a war, that killed 65,000-118,000 civilians, and they don't get any sort of memorial, or day of remembrance, or moment of silence, or anything.
    because they're not American. I'm pretty sure there are memorials in Iraq for that.

    We don't hold memorials for German civilians killed in Dresden, the Germans do that.
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  12. Post #12
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    geel9's Avatar
    June 2008
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    Pearl Harbor has an expensive memorial. Does it get less relevant each year? Many would argue that it doesn't.



    because they're not American. I'm pretty sure there are memorials in Iraq for that.

    We don't hold memorials for German civilians killed in Dresden, the Germans do that.
    "Many would argue" is not a valid argument. Why is spending so much money worthwhile?
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  13. Post #13
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    June 2011
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    "Many would argue" is not a valid argument. Why is spending so much money worthwhile?
    By your logic why should we have spent the money on pearl harbor? Why should anyone spend money on memorials commemorating anything? Why should we spend money keeping the eternal flame going (JFK was just one person)...

    Why?

    Because people think that the dead should be honored with memorials, and memorials are a good way to educate the public on events like this that happened.
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  14. Post #14
    Primigenes's Avatar
    May 2012
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    Even though it is really not that relevant anymore, it will be considered a landmark moment in history. It is an event that should be remembered, but I think stopping school for a memorial ceremony and such 11 years after the fact is a bit much.
    They don't stop school for 9/11

    What are you talking about?

    Also no we shouldn't get over 9/11
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  15. Post #15
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    May 2010
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    let's just forget about the 3,000, fuck them amirite

    same with the 8 million that died during the holocaust

    that happened like, what, a million years ago? totally not relevant at all anymore and it definitely had no impact on history
    We've been mourning them for 11 years. I understand it was terrible for so many people, but we really need to focus on the problems at the present, not a thing that happened so long ago.
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    geel9's Avatar
    June 2008
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    By your logic why should we have spent the money on pearl harbor? Why should anyone spend money on memorials commemorating anything? Why should we spend money keeping the eternal flame going (JFK was just one person)...

    Why?

    Because people think that the dead should be honored with memorials, and memorials are a good way to educate the public on events like this that happened.
    We're wasting money on a relatively insignficant loss. I can assure you that far more than 3,000 people died on 9/11 due to something OTHER than a terrorist attack. Why are we not memorializing them?
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  17. Post #17
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    Dennab
    August 2009
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    We're wasting money on a relatively insignficant loss. I can assure you that far more than 3,000 people died on 9/11 due to something OTHER than a terrorist attack. Why are we not memorializing them?
    probably because they didn't die in one of the most memorable and fear-inspiring attacks on american soil in history? idk might have something to do with it

    newsflash: people memorialize shocking and extraordinary deaths and events
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  18. Post #18
    MadPro119's Avatar
    January 2010
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    We're wasting money on a relatively insignficant loss. I can assure you that far more than 3,000 people died on 9/11 due to something OTHER than a terrorist attack. Why are we not memorializing them?
    Like the 18,000 that starve to death daily!
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  19. Post #19
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    probably because they didn't die in one of the most memorable and fear-inspiring attacks on american soil in history? idk might have something to do with it

    newsflash: people memorialize shocking and extraordinary deaths and events
    And why? It's a ridiculous waste of money going towards ensuring that the terrorists more than achieved their goal each and every year.
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  20. Post #20
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    Dennab
    August 2009
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    And why? It's a ridiculous waste of money going towards ensuring that the terrorists more than achieved their goal each and every year.
    or its a reasonable amount of money that goes towards memorializing an extremely traumatic and life changing event for many americans. memorializing 9/11 doesn't mean the terrorists won lmao, shitty public/foreign policy that takes away people's rights in response to fear does
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  21. Post #21
    I think people are over it. 911 is just a sales pitch to keep a war going for other reasons. It was their green light for Iraq and Afghanistan and another 'attack' would suit the establishment just fine as its an excuse to bury bad news whilst the worlds attn is on something huge and allows them to make their next move with less opposition.
    War is a dirty business, stay out of the military.
    Fuk deh system.

    Do you have any idea what you are talking about.
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  22. Post #22
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    May 2011
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    People that weren't there/had no family killed/involved probably got over it, but for the people actually there that day, most of them don't really get over it - especially if they see something that traumatized them such as seeing a body that was falling splat right in front of their eyes, or running away from the towers as they collapse and have an inescapable cloud of smoke catching up to them. I know (for me at least) it would take some time to get those thoughts out of my head.
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  23. Post #23
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    February 2012
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    I didn't even know today was 9/11 until I went on Facepunch in the afternoon.
    Literally no one mentioned it all at school or after classes.
    I think the idea that we "dwell" on 9/11 is really just a misconception.
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  24. Post #24
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    Dennab
    September 2008
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    I didn't even know today was 9/11 until I went on Facepunch in the afternoon.
    Literally no one mentioned it all at school or after classes.
    I think the idea that we "dwell" on 9/11 is really just a misconception.
    Have you tuned in to the news lately? Your conception of a misconception is misconceived.
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  25. Post #25
    If clothing didn't exist and everyone walked around with their penises fully erect I would have all the bitches.
    ROFLBURGER's Avatar
    May 2009
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    To be honest we should still remember it, like as an American Veterans day, but not to spend > $75 million on memorials.
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  26. Post #26
    BrownTown's Avatar
    January 2012
    398 Posts
    They don't stop school for 9/11

    What are you talking about?

    Also no we shouldn't get over 9/11
    My district stopped school for a few hours on 9/11. but we stopped a few years ago.
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  27. Post #27
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    May 2010
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    On another note, I think "9/11 jokes are just plane wrong" joke is the most overused pun in existence.
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  28. Post #28
    Gekkosan's Avatar
    October 2010
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    If anything, people should learn from the 9/11.

    What is it that Osama Bin Laden wanted to change about America? Is it the "guidos" and other by-products like excessive consumerism of beauty products and procedures, hookers, drugs, obesity, the inpurity of American souls?
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  29. Post #29
    zzzz's Avatar
    October 2011
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    the fact that people still remember and hold memorials for pearl harbor causes me to say no, we should not get over it.

    might i also add that pearl harbor was a formal (albiet surprise) military attack, but a military attack nonetheless. 9/11 was just an extremist bunch of lunatics. if anything it will be even more remembered.

    i dont think we should just 'get over it' so long as the people whom it affected are still alive and well. i think that things are generally gotten over when the generation of people who experienced it have come to pass. nobody talks about the great fire of london with sorrow, mournfulness, and reverence, because everyone who was even alive at the time is long dead

    (granted that was a shitty example because during a time when the odds that someone would live to be 18 were 50%, and during a pre-enlightenment time period, not as much emphasis was put on the the sacredness and value of life and family life)
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  30. Post #30
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    Yes. Yes, we should. Constantly dwelling on it is holding us back, keeping us from moving on with our lives and making genuine progress. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't think we should just 'forget' about it. It is a piece of our history, of course, and it was a tragedy. But I don't think we should be dwelling on it. We should let the fallen rest in peace and move forward with life.

    I feel it would be a far better memorial to those that fell that day if we stop dwelling on it, stop using them as an excuse to erode civil liberties, and move on as a nation. We moved on from Pearl Harbor without forgetting it. We should do the same with 9/11.
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  31. Post #31
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    October 2011
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    Actually I don't think people just moved on in the same way you are suggesting. I might mention that first of all, even if we did move on from pearl harbor quickly, it was probably due to the fact that a major war overshadowed the event. Furthermore, I'm assuming you weren't alive december 7, 1952, on the 11th anniversary of pearl harbor, to tell whether or not people had moved on by then
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  32. Post #32
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    Actually I don't think people just moved on in the same way you are suggesting. I might mention that first of all, even if we did move on from pearl harbor quickly, it was probably due to the fact that a major war overshadowed the event. Furthermore, I'm assuming you weren't alive december 7, 1952, on the 11th anniversary of pearl harbor, to tell whether or not people had moved on by then

    We were too busy with Korea to worry about over-memorializing Pearl. Besides, we didn't use Pearl Harbor as an excuse to pass shit like the Patriot act and bring forth shit like the TSA. We moved on with things. We started focusing on other things, such as civil rights in the south, building homes for all the GIs that were coming back, retooling back to civilian production, building interstates, and that sort of thing.
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  33. Post #33
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    Dennab
    August 2009
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    I don't see the problem. Today the only thing I've seen is a mention of it on the radio, a moment of silence in school (like 10 seconds), and a speech from my football coach. Not a big deal.
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  34. Post #34
    zzzz's Avatar
    October 2011
    1,747 Posts
    We were too busy with Korea to worry about over-memorializing Pearl. Besides, we didn't use Pearl Harbor as an excuse to pass shit like the Patriot act and bring forth shit like the TSA. We moved on with things. We started focusing on other things, such as civil rights in the south, building homes for all the GIs that were coming back, retooling back to civilian production, building interstates, and that sort of thing.
    Worth mentioning that the US wasn't in massive debt at that time. The US, although it had suffered the great depression, had bounced back to a wonderfully good economy after World War II, as the war economy was a major boon for the US economy over all.

    Furthermore, there was no reason to pass an act which 'restricted the civil rights of Americans' post WWII. Yes, I apologize that you have to take off your shoes and put your bags on a conveyor belt. Those goddamn TSA causing you over 10 minutes of extra waiting! DAMN THEM! (I don't know why FP has a blind hatred of authority figures such as the police and the TSA. Believe it or not they are not there to hurt you)

    In addition, you're kind of cherry picking positive social issues from post-war times. You could also go as far as to say that during that time, civil rights activists were mercilessly persecuted, as Brown vs. the Board of Education wasn't until more than a decade later. Maybe that the Vietnam war had just begun as well? Bad things still happened in the post-war era, and the government still did unpopular things. It wasn't all fun and good economy, building houses for GIs, civilian production, etc.
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  35. Post #35
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    September 2011
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    We need to stop caring so much about 9/11, it only show the terrorists how much damage they have actually done. All it took was the sacrifice of 6 men in the beginning of a "Jihad" a holy war and it left an entire nation trembling in fear for many many years to come.

    Or you could also say "Terrorists win"
    nah, if the terrorists won we'd have stopped intervening in Middle Eastern affairs, when in fact we're even more involved. Terrorists lost, big time.
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  36. Post #36
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    February 2011
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    let's just forget about the 3,000, fuck them amirite

    same with the 8 million that died during the holocaust

    that happened like, what, a million years ago? totally not relevant at all anymore and it definitely had no impact on history
    The sooner we can get over 9/11, the sooner we can focus on other things. Better things. Sure, the 3000 are dead, but living in the past will make everything worse. I mean, would you consider yourself a monster if you got over a relative dying? Sure, it'd still be sad when you think about them, but do you really want to dwell on it for the rest of your life? That's fucking stupid.
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  37. Post #37
    lemonsman's Avatar
    April 2011
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    nah, if the terrorists won we'd have stopped intervening in Middle Eastern affairs, when in fact we're even more involved. Terrorists lost, big time.
    Terrorists win when their goal is to create fear. As Fatfatfatty said, with only 6 people they have caused panic for 11 years now.
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