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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19635239

    BBC News posted:
    Two female police officers have died during a "routine" call-out which led to the arrest of a man wanted by Greater Manchester Police.

    PC Nicola Hughes, 23, and PC Fiona Bone, 32, suffered fatal injuries in the incident in Mottram, Tameside.

    Dale Cregan, 29, has been arrested in connection with the officers' deaths and two previous murders.

    Greater Manchester Police Chief Constable Sir Peter Fahy said it was one of the force's "darkest days".

    Mr Cregan was arrested when he walked into Hyde police station a short time after the incident.

    A witness at the scene in Abbey Gardens reported hearing 13 gunshots and an explosion shortly before 11:00 BST.

    Police said one of the officers died at the scene and the second was critically injured and died afterwards.

    The scene has been cordoned off and there is a heavy police presence in the area, including a bomb disposal team.

    A police helicopter is also on patrol overhead.

    The witness who described the shots, a window cleaner who worked in the area, said the property the officers were called to had been unoccupied for some months.

    Assistant Chief Constable Garry Shewan said it was "a tragic day" for Greater Manchester Police.

    "A long and dark shadow has been cast across Greater Manchester and my thoughts are with the officers' families, friends and colleagues.

    "We will be doing everything we can to support them over the coming days and weeks."

    The BBC's North of England reporter Danny Savage said he had spoken to an eyewitness who said they saw a police car outside shortly after 10:15 BST.

    'Bang, bang, bang'

    "After that car had drawn up it seems that the two unarmed police officers inside the car went into the property which had stood empty for some months," he said.

    "Whilst they were inside around a dozen shots were fired and there was an explosion."

    He added: "There were gunshots fired, possibly a hand grenade as well - that appears to be the suggestions at the moment.

    "Those police officers didn't come out of the house again, the police car was left outside with its lights flashing but empty. Emergency services and colleagues were soon here offering assistance."

    Prime Minister David Cameron said the killing was "a shocking reminder of the debt we owe to those who put themselves in danger to keep us safe and secure".

    Home Secretary Theresa May said: "This is a deeply shocking incident and a terrible reminder of the risks that police officers face every day to keep our communities safe."

    Shadow home secretary Yvette Cooper said it was "deeply distressing news [and] a painful demonstration of how police officers put themselves in harm's way every day to protect the public".

    Witness Warren Sheppard was up a ladder cleaning the windows of a house nearby when the shooting happened.

    He said: "I heard about 10 shots quite close, bang, bang, bang, like that. I knew they were gunshots because sometimes there is clay pigeon shooting in the fields.

    "I heard a big explosion about 10 seconds after the shots. I got off the ladder, walked round, saw an empty police car.

    "A car went speeding past to the main road."

    He said he went back to his van but could see the aftermath through a gap between two houses.

    "It was like something on the movies," he said.

    "It's just so sad for the family of the two police women.

    "Both lost their lives just doing their jobs and my heart goes out to their families and I know people around here will feel the same."

    He said the house where the incident took place was a council house which had been left empty.

    He said there had been some recent activity with the windows covered in whitewash suggesting the house was being decorated.

    A 27-year-old woman, who did not want to be named, said her ex-boyfriend witnessed the shootings.

    She said he was walking back from the doctor's when he heard someone shout to him.

    "Then someone has come outside the house... and shot two officers and then he threw a grenade in the garden," she said.

    "He said the officers hit the floor.

    "Cregan then got into a silver BMW and drove off but he must have then gone on foot shortly after because my friend saw him on Stringer Avenue, which is only down the road."

    The police flag at Greater Manchester Police headquarters has been lowered to half mast.

    President of the Association of Chief Police Officers Sir Hugh Orde said the deaths of the two officers were "deeply sad news for the police service".

    "Whenever police officers and staff lose a colleague that loss is felt right across the police family," he said.

    "The thoughts of everyone in policing are with colleagues in Greater Manchester Police, family and friends of the two officers at this time."

    Police had been offering a £25,000 reward for information leading to Mr Cregan's arrest as he was wanted over attacks that left a father and son dead.

    ACC Shewan said Mr Cregan had also been arrested on suspicion of two counts of murder in relation to the investigations into the deaths of David Short and Mark Short.

    David Short was killed in a gun and grenade attack in Clayton on 10 August.

    His son, Mark, was killed in a pub shooting at the Cotton Tree Pub in Droylsden in May.

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  2. Post #2
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    Is he missing an eye?
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    Absolute tosser, manchild, and belligerent douche-nozzle.
    Dennab
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    Despicable

    I expect this will increase the rollout speed for arming officers in the UK
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    Despicable

    I expect this will increase the rollout speed for arming officers in the UK
    I highly doubt it. Only a small minority of people in the UK want police to be armed.
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    Manchester
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    I highly doubt it. Only a small minority of people in the UK want police to be armed.
    Even if that is the case, the state will always increase it's power when it has the opportunity regardless of whether the underlings agree or not
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    Even if that is the case, the state will always increase it's power when it has the opportunity regardless of whether the underlings agree or not
    Ron Paul 2012
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    Even if that is the case, the state will always increase it's power when it has the opportunity regardless of whether the underlings agree or not
    Hahah this guy
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  9. Post #9
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    Ron Paul 2012
    No, fuck Ron Paul and his selfish Randian vision of self-interest and individualism. No gods, no masters.
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    This probably isn't a good idea
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    Even if that is the case, the state will always increase it's power when it has the opportunity regardless of whether the underlings agree or not
    We haven't had police armed as standard since they were created in the 19th century, and we're not gonna start now.

    To be honest I'm more interested in the hell these people are getting grenades from. This the second time recently one has been used in a crime.
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    Is he missing an eye?
    yeah, I heard his replacement eye is made of onyx because that's what a ~proper badman~ would use

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    We haven't had police armed as standard since they were created in the 19th century, and we're not gonna start now.

    To be honest I'm more interested in the hell these people are getting grenades from. This the second time recently one has been used in a crime.
    They could be homemade grenades or something left-overs from the Troubles.
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    Is he missing an eye?
    He got it gauged out in a fight on Holiday.

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    We haven't had police armed as standard since they were created in the 19th century, and we're not gonna start now.

    To be honest I'm more interested in the hell these people are getting grenades from. This the second time recently one has been used in a crime.
    Maybe Poundland has a sale on them? Or the kind Russian guy who lives down the street?



    On second thoughts it's probably the Russian.
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    Maybe Poundland has a sale on them? Or the kind Russian guy who lives down the street?



    On second thoughts it's probably the Russian.
    Nah bruv poundland innit
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    We haven't had police armed as standard since they were created in the 19th century, and we're not gonna start now.

    To be honest I'm more interested in the hell these people are getting grenades from. This the second time recently one has been used in a crime.
    its not hard to make a pipebomb, theres also an illegal arms market in every country, no matter how strict their laws are.
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    I love Scandinavians and Ducks
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    Shit my brother's policing in Manchester.
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    I live in Manchester.

    shit place to be.
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    Despicable

    I expect this will increase the rollout speed for arming officers in the UK
    There are officers that are armed, Armed Response Units, but I doubt the officers being armed could have prevented this, this was an ambush, pure and simple, based around a routine kind of call which the officers had no reason to expect to need firearms.
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    Arming police officers would not only require more training, but also just convince the criminal class that they need firearms as well. I don't like it when I see armed officers around our airports, let alone around our cities.

    We don't need more people waving bloody firearms around, it's just not a solution.

    RIP, a sad day for the GMP and police force as a whole.
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    PIRATE METAL BASTARD
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    He lost his eye in a knife fight in Thailand last year if anyone is wondering.

    Edited:

    We haven't had police armed as standard since they were created in the 19th century, and we're not gonna start now.

    To be honest I'm more interested in the hell these people are getting grenades from. This the second time recently one has been used in a crime.
    The killer is Ex-Army, wouldn't surprised me if he knew some way to get them
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    What a bastard
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    As much of a shit hole the majority of Manchester is, you should really have put Tameside instead of just generalizing Manchester.
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    Even if that is the case, the state will always increase it's power when it has the opportunity regardless of whether the underlings agree or not
    Looking into it further, I mean, it's all about spenditure right because the excuse is already there, people are dead because such and such wasn't there at present time but still doesn't give them the opportunity as much as money opportunity would. But if the police force want more power, then its having the money to do so = provided by the party running it all. So essentially they are under the thumb of someone else and it just so happens that conservative are like 'in' right now which likes to cut police spending and is chosen by the general public so we kinda can vaguely limit how much power we can give them because it can convince them it's a terrible financial decision to impliment. As for protesting a particular way of policing i have no idea.

  25. Post #25
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    This was in Droylesden/Tameside, so that's barely indicative of Manchester.

  26. Post #26
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    Really sad, I'm glad they've finally got Creegan though. They thought he was in our area for a while we kept getting helicoptors overhead and some grass across the road was cordoned off and searched. It's scary knowing someone like that could be nearby, I hope the victims' families may receive some justice now.

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    RIP

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    sweet lord

  29. Post #29
    You're Gonna Carry That Weight.
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    As much of a shit hole the majority of Manchester is, you should really have put Tameside instead of just generalizing Manchester.
    Fitting avatar.

    Anyway, that's two people in the news this week with a weird eye. Coincidence? Eye think not.

  30. Post #30
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    Even if that is the case, the state will always increase it's power when it has the opportunity regardless of whether the underlings agree or not
    There hasn't been any incident like this since the mid 1960's. That's a pretty good run.
    You arm officers it'll become a more common occurrence.

  31. Post #31
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    There hasn't been any incident like this since the mid 1960's. That's a pretty good run.
    You arm officers it'll become a more common occurrence.
    I'm think I remember reading somewhere that the UK has the one of the lowest rates of gun crime in Europe, so we most likely don't need to arm all our police.
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  32. Post #32
    You're Gonna Carry That Weight.
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    As people on the news pointed out, this was initially thought to be a regular burglary and so standard procedure was followed. No guns.

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    Looks like armed police everywhere from now on. hurray for big brother and the surveillance state :)
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    Rest in Peace, and God bless them.
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