Oh yeah, and they say("unveal") this after 70 years.
Oh yeah, and they say("unveal") this after 70 years.
so he WAS bullied into suicide
how many likes does his page have huh???
force Germany to cede nearly 30,000 square miles of its national territories (to Denmark, Belgium, France, Czechoslovakia, Poland, and Lithuania... plus the Saar was placed under the control of the League of Nations and Danzig was liberated as its own semi-autonomous city... oh and France had occupation rights to the Ruhr) and renounce all its colonial claims (to Britain and its dominions, France, Japan, and Belgium), restrict their military forces to no more than 100,000 personnel (plus six battleships, six cruisers, and 24 destroyers and gunboats/torpedo boats; they couldn't build or maintain submarines, aircraft, armored cars, or tanks either), and require them to pay the equivalent of $442 billion in war reparations (it was negotiated down to this in the mid-1920s because the original amount, which was demanding nearly $800 billion, was viewed by the British as being ridiculously unfeasible) and also forfeit large percentages of what resources they produced (coal, steel, crop yields, etc.) to Britain and France (plus Italy where coal was concerned, because they'd destroyed Italian coal mines during the war). Among other things... you'll find that 414 of the 440 clauses in this thing are dedicated to punishing Germany in some fashion or another.
So it's not terribly hard to see with all this in mind why the German people were pissed off for years afterwards about the treaty and the war.
1) I have empathy, just not for someone like hitler
2) those two aren't opposites
2a) even if they were, self-interest has nothing to do with it
2b) lack of qualification of a single criterion of a larger idea does not automatically make one the opposite of that idea
2) Yes they are, antonyms.
2a) Self-interest in the sense that you don't care for others, i.e. self interest.
2b) It does when the idea is implied to mean the metaphorical adherence to all criterion, such as empathy. You cannot be empathic towards one person and not another, to do so is to not be empathic.
And no, I did not read or see all there is about Rommel. Is that any reason why that should warrant a lashing out like that from you?
The treaty was a propaganda tool for the right-wing from the moment it was signed but that is all it was. The reason for WW2 was Hitler's ambitions in the east. And Hitler was only in that position because of the collapse of the Republic due to the Wall Street Crash in 1929 which had nothing to do with the Treaty of Versailles.
The terms of the treaty themselves weren't even all that bad compared to what Germany was intending to do to Russia in Brest-Litovsk. Germany was the defeated party, they were going to be punished. And actually, they weren't punished greatly. Most of the territory they lost was because of self-determination for people's such as the Poles who wanted their own country(Which was a big deal in Wilsons 14-points so Germany shouldn't have been surprised). The cutting of the military was understandable due to how Germany had just spent the last 20 years sabre rattling in Europe and it's not like this put Germany in any danger, they were in no position for another war with their current military state so cutting it down helped them more than anything in allowing them to spend their budget somewhere else. The reparations, while insanely high, were reduced in the 20's and most likely would have continued to be as relations normalized between the nations. The reparations never hurt Germany in any seeable way. Hyperinflation in 1923 was due to Germany's idea that it didn't have to pay the French the reparations and infact the Government had been following a policy of high inflation and borrowing since the start of the war and they continued to do so after the peace settlement so they could make it look to the allies that they would not be able to pay the reparations while at the same time keep people in Germany think the economy was doing well.
So what did the Treaty actually do to Germany that caused a World War?
It's quite amusing how we get compassionate comments in a thread about Adolf Hitler, but in any thread relating to gypsies, other minorities, criminals, Justin Bieber etc.; suddenly the pool of compassion dries up faster than a woman's vagina upon seeing a brony convention.
You guys legitimately feel sorry for a mental breakdown of a war criminal responsible for the deaths of millions based on their ethnicity?
Can't just put values and limits on who and what deserves empathy or sympathy or human compassion. I guess it really comes back to your personality, I try to love everyone, others aren't as caring and that's totally understandable.
Of course, you can also use the argument that by seeing them as sub-human you're kind of being like them in the sense of judging others and no-longer valuing their lives simply because of things they have done or you perceive. Which to be fair none of us are mini-Hitlers, but I rather not share an apathy for human-life.
No fucks given
I hope he suffered immensely before that pussy fuck offed himself
I'll bet he had, in CBT terms, several Early Maladaptive Schemas.
A lot of politicians even today seem to view themselves as superior to others.
Whilst I disagree with Nazism and Hitler's Regime, I think a fair, single-party dictatorship would probably be the best way to run the world these days.
All wars ended.
Entire military budget for every country (trillions) redistributed into balancing the worlds impoverished areas, funding growth and development in order to sustain the entire populace, and then put into research, science, space exploration, etc.
Political ideology formed which is allows for corporation and competition to thrive, much is poured into entrepreneurs and budgets are allocated for new employers and competitors which drives technology forward on multiple levels, from agriculture all the way up to high-tech industry.
Nation-states granted control over their individual areas to best develop and improve them, as they are essentially only diplomats, no unfair distribution of governmental wealth can form (ie owner of country buys thousands of cars whilst people suffer).
Oil and food prices equalised, and the monopolistic nature of acquiring these products is reduced via government share purchasing/ company takeover.
Jobseekers allowance (the dole) is removed, and replaced with a token system, and seeing as jobs are now rife, contribution to society is recommended and encouraged. Re-education and education at up to university level is now open to anyone over 25, free of charge, provided they can show a high level of interest in the target subject, a genuine interest to learn and improve, and some suitable skills in a similar field (self taught included).
Well-equipped universal police force formed, focus on eradicating terrorism, cell and cult behaviours from arising. Racism, hate crime, belief/religiously-motivated crimes are treated with priority - punishment is replaced with rehabilitation with a focus on breaking down these shitty beliefs and replacing it with a knowledge of self and the formation of beliefs. It would be very easy to derive a test for if people 'got it'. I truly believe that if you entirely demolish someone's belief system they can come from any walk of life, be it the most dogmatic, unfortunate and aggressive circumstances - and leave as well-informed and contributing members of society.
People have the choice of giving their kids up when they're born and enrol them in a facility, for 16 years, at no cost, which allows for absolutely equal treatment regardless of race/ skin colour, no chance of bullying forming, an incredibly high level of education, and exposure to all forms of art, music, expression, and a knowledge of beliefs similar to the one granted to the people in rehab.
Kids in this facility would choose everything for themselves, including their own names, from the moment they are well versed in linguistics - as well as the subject areas they specialize in.
After this stage, graduating students from the facility would be granted specialist roles in society of their choice.
Racist families, religious fundamentalists/ extremists, violent or abusive people and other terribly negative or damning people would be offered a straightener programme, designed to get their lives back on track in the most efficient way, staying in a treatment/relaxation facility designed specifically for this purpose, with utmost care and comfort.
Failure to attend the program, and continued aggressive behavior would most likely lead to imprisonment and rehabilitation. Damage to society and other people would be mitigated, with people directly affected by a persons negative behavior offered treatment, rehabilitation and relaxation at a facility for as long as they require.
People with mental issues would also be offered a programme designed to help them get their lives back on track in the most efficient way, also staying in a treatment/relaxation facility designed for this purpose, with utmost care and comfort.
Whilst religion would still be 'permitted' - it would be seen for what it is, a set of beliefs established to help people live their lives, nothing more. 'Truth' found in religion would be linked to a greater understanding of nature present in all religions - not the 'Faux Truths' - such as taking The Bible literally and word-for-word (which is contradictory, I can explain further if necessary).
With the world government formed, quality of life for everyone would be improved, technology would fly forward at an unprecedented rate, and soon enough, space exploration would be the next step for humanity.
this thread is unbelievable
facepunch: nazi dictatorship of neckbeards since 2006
I'm surprised that this thread isn't full to the brim with the usual posts retroactively attempting to paint(heh) Hitler as some sort of tactical genius and artist extraordinaire.
The Treaty of Versailles did not cause WW2, saying it does is hugely over-simplifying everything that happened from the end of the war till 1933. If you want a basic reason for why Hitler took over Germany it is that the left-wing parties didn't form a coalition against him as the communists hated the moderate SPD due to being backstabbed in 1919. If they had formed a coalition then the Nazi's would not have gained power.
You really shouldn't sympathise with Germany over the Treaty of Versailles, be sure, if Germany had won, they would given us extremely harsh terms due to how they handled their economy during the war, also shown in how they treated the Russians in 1917.
I don't care about the rating, I just want to hear an actual answer/ opinion/ argument from you on my ideology, so I can better understand why someone would not want it.
I feel sorry for the child that Hitler once was, he had a shit childhood and it messed him up for life but what he did later on in life was his choice and he did some fucked up shit.
This reminds me of the Onions article on Hitlers depression where everyone suddenly feels sorry for him as he commited suicide
Anyone who thinks the Treaty of Versailles was directly responsible for WW2 really didn't study this beyond school.
So apparently the majority of Facepunch seem to think its okay to feel sorry for Hitler, regardless of the fact that he brought death to millions of people.