[Lamar]

Megafan posted:

It says it right in the opening section:

and note that is not the mainstream definition as that section opens up with "Some scholars argue that...". That is implying those people don't hold the mainstream definition. The article itself opens up as

The Holocaust was the mass murder or genocide of approximately six million Jews during World War II

Really hate it when posters try to pull zingers when they are dead wrong about something.

[Bazsil]

In my book, holocaust refers to any imprisonment and systematic experimentation/enslavement/killing at the hands of the Nazis of anyone who was a noncombatant to begin with. Why should it just be the jews?

[Lamar]

Bazsil posted:

In my book, holocaust refers to any imprisonment and systematic experimentation/enslavement/killing at the hands of the Nazis of anyone who was a noncombatant to begin with. Why should it just be the jews?

I don't think it should just include them, but thats just how it is often defined. Hell, even the US Holocaust Museum defines it as that, which is why I brought up my earlier point in the first place

[lope]

I think this is the saddest posts I've ever read......coming from a Jew.... Fuck man I hate Nazis

[The First 11'er]

Pierrewithahat posted:

Who the hell told you 2 million? It's well known that around 6 million jews alone were killed, not taking into account gays, undesirables, romani gypsies and a ton of other people.

That's a rough number, it's been a while since I've been taught about it. Blame history books.

[Milkdairy]

And to think that today we can kill that many people, possibly more in a matter of hours these days if we wanted to.

War and war technologies reek of terror.

[Aman VII]

Sgt Doom posted:

What the Soviet Union did is more akin to what North Korea is doing now. Death isn't the primary goal, but control; death being either a side effect or a means to that end. Christ, sounds so goddamn clinical, how I put that, but that's about as clear as I can make the nebulous idea floating in my head.
What Nazi Germany did was primarily to exterminate a people, with slave labour used to squeeze some weapons out of them before they died.

Not necessarily. During Stalin's reign there were many ethnic groups who he purposely vetted ruthlessly almost akin to genocide.

Take the Chechens for example, after WW2 he was just like "yeah I don't like Chechens"(to put it simply) and deported hundreds of thousands of them to labour camps to die in Siberia.

[Winters]

Milkdairy posted:

And to think that today we can kill that many people, possibly more in a matter of hours these days if we wanted to.

War and war technologies reek of terror.

We could annihilate the entire planet in a matter of a few days.

[ionuttzu]

Mr. Someguy posted:

Romania doesn't count?

Fuck you

[gufu]

Aman VII posted:

Take the Chechens for example, after WW2 he was just like "yeah I don't like Chechens"(to put it simply) and deported hundreds of thousands of them to labour camps to die in Siberia.

Well, they were supporting the invading German army (alongside few other minorities who were not happy with Soviet government), in hopes of getting independence. So it makes some logical sense for Stalin to target those particular groups.