1. Post #121

    April 2017
    4 Posts
    The fact that people are only harping on this now is telling of the gmod community as a whole. Ever since they got streamers to hype it up and were asking $1500 a month for 'server costs / development' I had already declared it a scam, as I had dealt with Rustic7 in the past and he just steals ideas and shit. I watched as their monthly 'need' went up to 2K then 2500 and it was obvious he was just lining his own pockets. Further if you went on their forums where they had 'dev hiring' they would only hire people who did not expect to be paid. It's truly shocking how many people in gmod fall for scams.
    I'm not defending Santos as I hate Josh myself, eitherway. $1500 is reasonable for 2 VPS and 1 dedi server, sometimes we paid for 2 dedi servers. Development itself can be $1000+ depends on Ultra & other models Josh Paid for.

    " as I had dealt with Rustic7 in the past and he just steals ideas and shit." Why are you bringing me up in the " idea stealing? What the fuck did I steal from you, players ?

    On the topic side: Why are you involving me into this. I got fired off santos, I sold one upper copy that was leaked already, I stopped doing it, I came back to Santos, Josh wanted me to sell it and put all BLAME on me but he got all the profit made but then Ultra "caught me" and I got all the bullshit from him, Josh wanted extra money so when I was back all the profit was given to him.
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  2. Post #122
    Puzzle's Avatar
    September 2012
    287 Posts
    OVH game servers, used universally by gmod server owners because they're cheap and have a high single-threaded performance which is needed in antiquated source engine, runs from $90 to 125 (https://www.ovh.com/us/dedicated-servers/game/)

    VPSes are even cheaper, starting at $3.50 a month or $9 a month for NVM-e cloud VPS.

    Maybe when santos first came around servers costed more, as that may have been 1-2 years ago, but the costs have come down and santos has migrated to ovh within the last year or so due to the high performance, anti-ddos and lower cost; AND YET, santos 'costs' have gone up to 2500. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to see you guys are completely full of shit.
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  3. Post #123
    ertug20's Avatar
    March 2013
    301 Posts
    OVH game servers, used universally by gmod server owners because they're cheap and have a high single-threaded performance which is needed in antiquated source engine, runs from $90 to 125 (https://www.ovh.com/us/dedicated-servers/game/)

    VPSes are even cheaper, starting at $3.50 a month or $9 a month for NVM-e cloud VPS.

    Maybe when santos first came around servers costed more, as that may have been 1-2 years ago, but the costs have come down and santos has migrated to ovh within the last year or so due to the high performance, anti-ddos and lower cost; AND YET, santos 'costs' have gone up to 2500. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to see you guys are completely full of shit.
    I would presume that they would need proper DDoS mitigation. Anybody who still thinks that that is sufficient especially with a toxic DDoS filled game-mode is wrong. Regardless, it shouldn't indeed cost that much at all for the machines itself. The development costs are also debatable but it should still not justify the huge license costs.
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  4. Post #124

    February 2016
    61 Posts
    Can we just stop fueling the flames, I mean its already dead.
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  5. Post #125

    April 2017
    4 Posts
    OVH game servers, used universally by gmod server owners because they're cheap and have a high single-threaded performance which is needed in antiquated source engine, runs from $90 to 125 (https://www.ovh.com/us/dedicated-servers/game/)

    VPSes are even cheaper, starting at $3.50 a month or $9 a month for NVM-e cloud VPS.

    Maybe when santos first came around servers costed more, as that may have been 1-2 years ago, but the costs have come down and santos has migrated to ovh within the last year or so due to the high performance, anti-ddos and lower cost; AND YET, santos 'costs' have gone up to 2500. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to see you guys are completely full of shit.
    OVH game servers, used universally by gmod server owners because they're cheap and have a high single-threaded performance which is needed in antiquated source engine, runs from $90 to 125 (https://www.ovh.com/us/dedicated-servers/game/)

    VPSes are even cheaper, starting at $3.50 a month or $9 a month for NVM-e cloud VPS.

    Maybe when santos first came around servers costed more, as that may have been 1-2 years ago, but the costs have come down and santos has migrated to ovh within the last year or so due to the high performance, anti-ddos and lower cost; AND YET, santos 'costs' have gone up to 2500. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to see you guys are completely full of shit.
    Exactly, around 400 dollars went into hosting I'm aware off. $800-1000 for development, then there was other stuff like modelling for updates. Web developer was paid €400 a month or so, there was some profit taken by Josh, I asked myself how its at $2500 but yes, he wanted profit. I bet if you run a community you would have wanted profit too. See I was a owner and I ran it for fun, Josh is a money whore which I don't have an issue for.

    I was going to launch a GTA RP server with him and let him fund, I regret it after a month. Messages keept popping up like:

    http://puu.sh/voBZY/be105723ed.png
    http://puu.sh/voBZp/104cf01366.png

    On other notes, Streamers = Players, he wanted to USE me again for streamers attention to join hes server. So yes, Josh is a douchebag according to the topic. I do agree!
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  6. Post #126
    ertug20's Avatar
    March 2013
    301 Posts
    Exactly, around 400 dollars went into hosting I'm aware off. $800-1000 for development, then there was other stuff like modelling for updates. Web developer was paid €400 a month or so, there was some profit taken by Josh, I asked myself how its at $2500 but yes, he wanted profit. I bet if you run a community you would have wanted profit too. See I was a owner and I ran it for fun, Josh is a money whore which I don't have an issue for.

    I was going to launch a GTA RP server with him and let him fund, I regret it after a month. Messages keept popping up like:

    http://puu.sh/voBZY/be105723ed.png
    http://puu.sh/voBZp/104cf01366.png

    On other notes, Streamers = Players, he wanted to USE me again for streamers attention to join hes server. So yes, Josh is a douchebag according to the topic. I do agree!
    If they don't get any donations at all then I would be very suprised. I've seen communities make a stupid amount of money in my time to the point where that $1500 is pocket change (could be used in an argument on both sides). If they aren't making their server properly to make players want to donate then that's their own fault.

    It just sounds like greed to me but everybody already knew that.
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  7. Post #127
    Quick question, why are we using the "donation" terminology when the legal page says they're a company?

    On another note, why does any Garry's Mod community use the term donation if the player gets something proportionate to the amount of currency they supplied in return?
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  8. Post #128
    Dennab
    April 2016
    53 Posts
    Quick question, why are we using the "donation" terminology when the legal page says they're a company?

    On another note, why does any Garry's Mod community use the term donation if the player gets something proportionate to the amount of currency they supplied in return?
    Ahhh... I remember the arguments used back in 2008 on Titties n Beer CS:S servers. Now I feel old. People always used "Donation" because back then, when you tried to refund it on paypal, the server owner would show paypal its a donation, and paypal would reject it


    That stopped working around 2011, and people still continue to use it. I write off any server/community that says "donations" because I feel like it shows how ignorant they are.
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  9. Post #129
    ertug20's Avatar
    March 2013
    301 Posts
    Quick question, why are we using the "donation" terminology when the legal page says they're a company?

    On another note, why does any Garry's Mod community use the term donation if the player gets something proportionate to the amount of currency they supplied in return?
    That's a good question. I would guess that it's difficult to get players to feel comfortable when calling it a server transaction or purchase. I also suppose that it's more of a marketing term.


    Ahhh... I remember the arguments used back in 2008 on Titties n Beer CS:S servers. Now I feel old. People always used "Donation" because back then, when you tried to refund it on paypal, the server owner would show paypal its a donation, and paypal would reject it


    That stopped working around 2011, and people still continue to use it. I write off any server/community that says "donations" because I feel like it shows how ignorant they are.
    I don't think that people calling it donations are going away any time soon. It's more of a standard term at this point. I wouldn't hold my breath trying to make people change.
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  10. Post #130
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    December 2013
    114 Posts
    Turning the thread to what they are now saying. Its a hack, we didn't do any deals.
    Here is the gyazo Ultra sent me (that he received from Josh getting it from Max) reply to the claim that max was hacked before they made the statement.

    https://gyazo.com/666dab5f9512ec900a409352e95d0d57
    *Want to highlight the origin of where that snap is from is germany*

    Here is a snap from the santos gents.
    https://gyazo.com/b35b37be4efa1b973f39046c94a5516f

    *These snaps really show nothing conclusive about the hack*

    Questions:
    If the mail stuff is through google, did you have two step? If not, that was pretty dumb :D
    Why wasn't the snap from ultra included in the statement?
    Why did the snap I got from Ultra say the origin is from Germany?

    Give us a police statement, bank snaps, logs, emails, or anything else. That proof could easily be faked and probably was...
    Despite the hack happening, you've still told people to use the email and harassing people to go though it between the period of it.
    In my original post, that video was only a few days ago. April 13th, apparently when the hack started. Max, you said for me to email you though the same email.
    Pretty sure Josh said to use the same email we were talking only a day later after I published the video.
    Segeco more than likely has the conclusive proof in his emails if they are really making it up or not because he has emails during this period that confirm communications with max and him on teamspeak.
    I think this statement is a butchery, a fraud, a fake (until proven otherwise with conclusive evidence) to cover up the wrongdoing happening.

    Whenever you notice something inconsistent, a wizard did it... or you got hacked.
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  11. Post #131
    Heracles421's Avatar
    December 2015
    31 Posts
    It really does seem weird that they claim everything was compromised. How the hell did Max loose every single account he has, personal accounts and Santos accounts.
    Why the hell did Max give out his mail which was supposedly compromised to GGS (check the first video posted)?

    Also, what type of bank lets some random guy in another country login into an account and transfer 9k USD to another bank account never used before?
    And, just to worsen the things a bit, the bank that these clowns are using does not have any kind of two factor authentication for transactions?

    Do we also have to believe that Google, one of the biggest companies on the planet, had a wrong location for an IP?
    Oh, and they also didn't warn their players not to "donate" after April 13th due to the accounts being compromised...

    This sounds like the plot of a very bad movie...
    Come on Santos, you can come up with something more convincing...
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  12. Post #132
    Dennab
    April 2017
    58 Posts
    Ok and now rustic 7 is in this thread, I want to roast the goon but i know i'll get banned for arsonist threats again.


    God damn you facepunch.
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  13. Post #133

    October 2014
    30 Posts
    -SNIP-
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  14. Post #134
    Heracles421's Avatar
    December 2015
    31 Posts
    This just make me laugh.... from my experience with Josh, he do not sell the addons neither do he provide them, I was about to buy a license to run SantosRP, Where i ask what will i get?? after using the leaks from Rustic7, The only thing that was going to be provided was the Gamemode not the Addons! like Gambling & The Pool Camera that Crap Head made was included in the LEAK! not the Gamemode you get after signing the contract, however he said that if i own them i just need put them in to addons to get them to work as they are pre-configured, The thing with VCMod Snip was not even working without VCMod install i uninstalled VCMod and it did not give me any errors, Its like Gmodstore DLC lets say you have a Gamemode and you can buy DLC its already pre-configured. that is the truth i own AltosRP and have been running SantosRP since the start off my community and had my ups and down with Josh (SantosRP) but always got what i paid for. so a clear up NO you do not get any Gmodstore addons they are only pre configured you need to buy the addons yourself
    I'm facepalming so hard right now... Just read page 3 of this thread, as already said multiple times before, the add-ons are packed into the gamemode itself. Ofc Josh won't give you the add-ons folder with all the files in it (that'd make this whole thing worse...), but there are some add-ons that were packed into the gamemode itself.

    I'm sorry to say this, but if you can't understand such a simple concept maybe you shouldn't be running a community...
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  15. Post #135

    October 2014
    30 Posts
    I'm facepalming so hard right now... Just read page 3 of this thread, as already said multiple times before, the add-ons are packed into the gamemode itself. Ofc Josh won't give you the add-ons folder with all the files in it (that'd make this whole thing worse...), but there are some add-ons that were packed into the gamemode itself.

    I'm sorry to say this, but if you can't understand such a simple concept maybe you shouldn't be running a community...
    I understand what your saying but there is nothing packed in to the LEGAL VERSION, Only the Leak Version Rustic7 was selling was there addons packed in like the Pool Cam.....
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  16. Post #136

    April 2017
    4 Posts
    I understand what your saying but there is nothing packed in to the LEGAL VERSION, Only the Leak Version Rustic7 was selling was there addons packed in like the Pool Cam.....
    I thought you hated Josh, did he not fuck you over?

    I see you or he added you last night on both accounts: http://puu.sh/vpE6x/bd5f0164a4.png

    The version I was selling is the version I gave Josh & the version hes selling. So stop trying to protect Josh please.
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  17. Post #137
    Heracles421's Avatar
    December 2015
    31 Posts
    I understand what your saying but there is nothing packed in to the LEGAL VERSION, Only the Leak Version Rustic7 was selling was there addons packed in like the Pool Cam.....
    Sorry, but in the second video he said he'd sell GGS the version that Defcon has, and Defcon has come out and said that their version is exactly the same as the leaked one.
    Ergo, the version Santos is selling is the leaked version...
    What is so hard to understand about that
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  18. Post #138

    April 2017
    4 Posts
    Don't believe anything Dannyboy is saying, he recently today got added by Josh, they are launching SantosPublic again, Knoth left it because he argued with Josh, today he got added back and now their "SanosPublic" is back up. Thats why Knoth aka Dannyboy is trying to protect Josh.

    Nice try
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  19. Post #139

    October 2014
    30 Posts
    Sorry, but in the second video he said he'd sell GGS the version that Defcon has, and Defcon has come out and said that their version is exactly the same as the leaked one.
    Ergo, the version Santos is selling is the leaked version...
    What is so hard to understand about that
    Well i can tell you that i did not recive any Addons packed in, Josh also said in one of the videos that they will get a updated version, He did not say anything with the addons that is packed in or not, but i am not here for a rant or anything its s stupid topic and its seems like nobody can see whats going on. Release the whole clip and the truth should come out?

    Edited:

    Don't believe anything Dannyboy is saying, he recently today got added by Josh, they are launching SantosPublic again, Knoth left it because he argued with Josh, today he got added back and now their "SanosPublic" is back up. Thats why Knoth aka Dannyboy is trying to protect Josh.

    Nice try
    LOL..... I said i have a Deal with Josh and do not hide that fact however the gamemode i bought from you had GMS Scrip.. the Real Files do not
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  20. Post #140
    Heracles421's Avatar
    December 2015
    31 Posts
    Well i can tell you that i did not recive any Addons packed in, Josh also said in one of the videos that they will get a updated version, He did not say anything with the addons that is packed in or not, but i am not here for a rant or anything its s stupid topic and its seems like nobody can see whats going on. Release the whole clip and the truth should come out?
    Josh got banned from GModStore (Script Fodder) for reselling add-ons. Hasn't it crossed your mind that he may have changed versions thanks to said incident?

    Also, I'm quite sure if you look inside sv_cars.lua you'll find one of Ultra's comments where he specifically says that he integrated a wheel damage add-on from SF into the gamemode... But no, it doesn't have any packed add-ons, right?
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  21. Post #141
    Kevlon's Avatar
    March 2015
    1,113 Posts
    Don't believe anything Dannyboy is saying, he recently today got added by Josh, they are launching SantosPublic again, Knoth left it because he argued with Josh, today he got added back and now their "SanosPublic" is back up. Thats why Knoth aka Dannyboy is trying to protect Josh.

    Nice try
    Well i can tell you that i did not recive any Addons packed in, Josh also said in one of the videos that they will get a updated version, He did not say anything with the addons that is packed in or not, but i am not here for a rant or anything its s stupid topic and its seems like nobody can see whats going on. Release the whole clip and the truth should come out?

    Edited:



    LOL..... I said i have a Deal with Josh and do not hide that fact however the gamemode i bought from you had GMS Scrip.. the Real Files do not
    SantosRP is dead, No one cares. Take ur skid owner drama to pm's plz

    This thread is for laughing at people trying to extort money
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  22. Post #142
    CRITAWAKETS's Avatar
    November 2014
    25 Posts
    2,5k server costs.

    HAHAHAHA. OH WOW.

    Gmod Tower ran at around 1/10th the price years ago. That was 2 massive servers and *Counting gamemodes* 12 regular servers.

    I cannot believe the 9/10th are mostly to good use. 2/10th would be used for reasonable budgets.

    Where does the 7/10th of the money go? Im pretty sure Josh and anyone working with him use the money to buy platinum to snort it.
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  23. Post #143
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    Heavy Bob's Avatar
    December 2013
    114 Posts
    Source: https://santosrp.com/legal/

    The legal email, my personal email, my bank accounts, PayPal, my credit cards & an abundance of other things, were compromised last week.
    What could the abundance of other things be? Time to speculate :D

    The hacker decided to mail out poorly written license agreement to some of the clients that we were in contact with that were waiting for one.
    Seems like the hacker must of hacked your english skills too...

    To add on to this, a person named “Heavy BoB” made a video on when i came on his teamspeak and tried to negotiate with him.
    Yep, 'i' think the hacker wrote this statement.

    These agreements were not only stolen from my google drive, but also poorly edited.
    You mean this? http://jux.law/cease-desist-trademar...e-sample-form/
    Every cease and desist that I've seen uses this template. They're all poorly edited to begin with :D

    Last Updated: 4/18
    We urge everyone contacted by our legal team after April 13th to get in contact with us ASAP.
    The legal email... & an abundance of other things, were compromised last week.
    Thankfully google came through and helped us out within minutes of reaching out.
    Wait so you just waited from the 13th to the 18th before asking google for help?

    We have a registered trademark with the USPTO called SantosRP.
    The licensee deals that we have set up... ...are not related to the gamemode, but.. ...for the ability to make money of our trademark.
    If your outside of the United States and use the SantosRP name then you are not applicable to paying a licence as the trademark isn't enforceable outside of the united states.
    If you are using the "leaked' files and have paid for a licence, by this logic, they may still attempt to close you down for copyright infringement.
    But again, we've got a recording of Max and Josh attempting to licence the files.

    There are multiple acts under the International Copyright law that we can enforce the protection of our marks, one of them being, Lanham Act 43a.
    Lanham Act? Anyone can google that and see thats a US law... but yes, most countries do have laws specific to copyright but they are not governed by this US law.

    *Edit, idk why people keep dumbing my posts. Only pointing out the problems in this statement...

    (User was banned for this post ("Cares about ratings" - Kiwi))
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  24. Post #144

    May 2016
    40 Posts


    10/10 Community definitely going
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  25. Post #145
    Dennab
    March 2010
    1,277 Posts
    I was trying to figure out how this ends - but I'm guessing it's something along the lines of "Thread Locked" - although the reason hasn't yet become apparent...
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  26. Post #146
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    Heavy Bob's Avatar
    December 2013
    114 Posts
    The smoking gun.
    SantosRP Licence Agreement: http://imgur.com/a/Ogx4p


    SantosRP's Public Statement from the other day:
    The licensee deals that we have set up ... are not related to the gamemode, but rather, for the ability to make money of our trademark.
    Oh really? Could have fooled me.

    - Credits to Segeco for the licence agreement.
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  27. Post #147
    Flamingsword's Avatar
    January 2012
    800 Posts
    So not only do you pay them $250 monthly for a license for one server, but they also have the right to be given whatever edits or additions you make for free.

    I didn't think I'd experience another Killslick the Manchild situation tbh

    Edited
    Did they change the price again? Now it's a one time fee of $900? what the fuck
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  28. Post #148
    Kai-Stats.NET
    Heavy Bob's Avatar
    December 2013
    114 Posts
    So not only do you pay them $250 monthly for a license for one server, but they also have the right to be given whatever edits or additions you make for free. I didn't think I'd experience another Killslick the Manchild situation tbh
    Actually the licence clearly says:



    Figure that one out :D
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  29. Post #149
    Flamingsword's Avatar
    January 2012
    800 Posts
    Actually the licence clearly says:



    Figure that one out :D
    Try looking at 2. PAYMENT OF FEE next to 10. TERMINATION. "This Agreement shall terminate automatically on March 21, 2019".

    Unless I'm missing something, that seems like you pay a "one time fee of $900", and it'll be terminated automatically one year later anyway?
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  30. Post #150
    Kai-Stats.NET
    Heavy Bob's Avatar
    December 2013
    114 Posts
    Try looking at 2. PAYMENT OF FEE next to 10. TERMINATION. "This Agreement shall terminate automatically on March 21, 2019".

    Unless I'm missing something, that seems like you pay a "one time fee of $900", and it'll be terminated automatically one year later anyway?
    Well the way the termination notice works, they can pretty much take your money then give you 14 days notice and terminate your contract and keep your money with no reason at all.
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  31. Post #151
    Yep, I'm a brony sperg
    that sucks at HL1DM.

    Dealwithit.
    Dennab
    March 2013
    1,066 Posts
    Hi, I'm a bit late to the party, but can I just get a quick tldr on whats going on? Have we seriously got a reincarnation of PERP?
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  32. Post #152
    DramaFodder
    meharryp's Avatar
    July 2013
    2,571 Posts
    2,5k server costs.

    HAHAHAHA. OH WOW.

    Gmod Tower ran at around 1/10th the price years ago. That was 2 massive servers and *Counting gamemodes* 12 regular servers.

    I cannot believe the 9/10th are mostly to good use. 2/10th would be used for reasonable budgets.

    Where does the 7/10th of the money go? Im pretty sure Josh and anyone working with him use the money to buy platinum to snort it.
    iirc GMT used to have ~$3k donation goal before TU was announced
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  33. Post #153
    Kevlon's Avatar
    March 2015
    1,113 Posts
    iirc GMT used to have ~$3k donation goal before TU was announced
    Got turned into a scam after yogscast played it and all the kids started pouring in
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  34. Post #154
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    Heavy Bob's Avatar
    December 2013
    114 Posts
    Here's some of Segeco's emails with the alleged hacker.
    Source: http://imgur.com/a/Ffm5X

    Still waiting on that proof to say it was a hacker. Anyone got that police statement yet?
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  35. Post #155
    Kai-Stats.NET
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    December 2013
    114 Posts
    Segeco is still waiting on a refund of $320 pounds that he paid to legal@santosrp.com while it was "allegedly" hacked.
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  36. Post #156
    Gold Member
    dingusnin's Avatar
    February 2010
    2,259 Posts
    Just worked with Heavy Bob, who let me go through the SantosRP which is being licensed out to people (Cheers), and have found out that I have copyrights over the joint collaboration that is this gamemode. Anyone who has the gamemode can go through my github, and find several examples of where the code that I worked on has been taken, and copied into the new gamemode allegedly fully written by Ultra.

    So since this is a joint collaboration, under US copyright laws I am entitled to give authorisation to the following:
    reproduction right — the right to make copies of the protected work
    distribution right — the right to sell or otherwise distribute copies to the public
    right to create adaptations (called derivative works) — the right to prepare new works based on the protected work, and
    performance and display rights — the rights to perform a protected work (such as a stageplay) or to display a work in public.

    No fees. This should hopefully shutdown Josh from harassing people over the gamemode. Please be aware though, the name SantosRP is trade marked by JAC Systems LLC. It is unclear if Josh still owns this company, however one thing is for certain: You do not have the rights to use the name SantosRP.

    I will not be releasing copies of the updated code out of respect for Ultra, who apears to have put in some serious work to these gamemodes, and I advise everyone who has the gamemodes to also show grace and restraint in this respect. The point of this post is to give everyone who has spent money on the gamemodes to not have to deal with the crap comming from Josh.

    With that being said, Enjoy.
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  37. Post #157

    November 2014
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    As Heavy Bob stated, I lost 320 Pounds of my hard earned cash. I won't be letting this go, I'll always be working to get it back.
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  38. Post #158
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    February 2010
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    As Heavy Bob stated, I lost 320 Pounds of my hard earned cash. I won't be letting this go, I'll always be working to get it back.
    If it's from buying a license, and them saying that you're not allowed to use the gamemodes, then you now have permission to use it.
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  39. Post #159
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    December 2015
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    That plot twist
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  40. Post #160

    November 2014
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    I'd rather get my money back, It's a clusterfuck.
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