1. Post #1
    garry's Avatar
    September 2001
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    There was a lot of wrong people in the thread I just closed. They believed that witnessing violence does not make you violent. This is wrong.

    There was a famous experiment called the bobo doll experiment. Read about it here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobo_doll_experiment.

    Everything a child sees it learns. If it sees violence on TV, it leans how to be violent.

    Here's the video of it


    Seems pretty conclusive to me..
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    So, here's the question. Does this equate to video games?

    FYI for garry's sake - Rating him Funny doesn't make you awesome, take into account the thread!
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  3. Post #3
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    Of course it does.
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    Crap.
    Everyone rates garry but not me!
    What kind of discrimination is this?
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  5. Post #5
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    But if they stopped violence on TV people would be pretty pissed. by which i mean more violent.
    Violence is in our nature anyway, every animal is violent, the jungle is violent.

  6. Post #6
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    It's one thing to learn to be violent and it's another thing to be violent.

    Kids these days, no self control.

  7. Post #7
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    Media>People
    And that's how it's gonna be for a long time.
    Everything you see will affect you in somehow.
    Maybe not much but if i see the same commercial about a car for 20 years i would probably buy the car in the end.

    I have seen Bruce lee movies and i still remember his tricks. Why? I have no idea.

    Maybe it's the same with violence dunno i don't watch tv.

    Edit: Why do people buy crap? Because Media says to people that buy everything you see and that economic is complicated so no worry about it.

  8. Post #8
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    Well what's the excuse for violent behaviour before TV? Magazines? and before that? and before that, and that and that and that.

    Something always gets blamed.

  9. Post #9
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    It's not saying that TV invented violence. It's saying that TV makes children think it's acceptable.

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    Heck, I play GTAIV, and I'm only 14, but I don't go out and rape anyone. Hmm. :raise:
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    It's more a mix of what is on TV and the general lack of discipline present in todays children thanks to Political correctness and stuff.

    How many kids nowadays can tell their parents to fuck off and get away with it, quite a lot.
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    garry posted:
    It's not saying that TV invented violence. It's saying that TV makes children think it's acceptable.
    Have you been affected by TV or someone around you?
    I know you said the thread up there but there are lots of idiots all over internet.

  13. Post #13
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    You have a point when it comes to younger children, the parents have responsibility to what there child can watch on tv, however, I have never been influenced to be violent towards other people, I've played hundreds of different games and watched hundreds of movies, and I'm only 14.
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    RayvenQ posted:
    Well what's the excuse for violent behaviour before TV? Magazines? and before that? and before that, and that and that and that.

    Something always gets blamed.

    Think of a time back in the 50's before television was a big thing. How much violence can you picture from back then? Do you think gangs actually killed people or did they just want your lunch money. As you can see media does influence our behavior and can cause violence.

    Also, in the bobo doll experiment the kids merely saw the woman punch and kick the doll, but the kids on their own starting using weapons and starting yelling at the doll, which shows that because what you see people doing is worse than what they saw doesn't make the presenter any less guilty.

    Edit:

    RayvenQ posted:
    How many kids nowadays can tell their parents to fuck off and get away with it, quite a lot.

    Not me, I would get beat for saying that.

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    RayvenQ posted:
    How many kids nowadays can tell their parents to fuck off and get away with it, quite a lot.
    Catherine tate, maybe?

    I mean, this could all be down to the BBC choosing what programs we have on. Why not just make BBC1 NEWS NEWS NEWS

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    Ah, the bobo doll experiment was on of several we studied in Psychology this year. Pretty interesting stuff... Fascinating how the behaviour is modelled so easily.

    Though I still believe there are other factors to it. A child living a hard, abusive childhood is bound to develop and behave differently to a well-raised child, even if they were both encouraged to model such behaviours.

  17. Post #17
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    leach139 posted:
    Catherine tate, maybe?

    I mean, this could all be down to the BBC choosing what programs we have on. Why not just make BBC1 NEWS NEWS NEWS
    Yeah, that'll be a fast track to making kids go mental

    Also, anyone notice that the quality of TV shows nowadays have gotten worse.

    When I was a kid, there were all sorts of shows aimed at kids, that despite that, still featured moral dilemmas, injury and death.

    Pirates of Dark Water, Animals of Farthing Wood, Battletech, Dungeons & Dragons and all sorts of others.

  18. Post #18
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    leach139 posted:
    Heck, I play GTAIV, and I'm only 14, but I don't go out and rape anyone. Hmm. :raise:
    I have played doom since i was 6 years old, but i still don't think, that violence is sexy.

    I know plenty of people, who almost fap while playing some really violent games or watch violent movies.

  19. Post #19
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    Hell I was 12 when GTA first came out, I played it, loved it doing all kinds of things with it, mostly mass murder sprees, but I came out as a well balanced person, despite having other, though unrelated, mental flaws.

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    I don't want to punch anyone when I come off a game, I'm perfectly calm. A bit pumped from adrenaline sometimes, yes, but never "FUCK YOU I'M PUNCHING YOU NOW"

    I can understand it's a problem for some people, but :raise:

  21. Post #21
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    garry posted:
    It's not saying that TV invented violence. It's saying that TV makes children think it's acceptable.
    As do wife beaters.

    i.e. people will learn about violence from other people if not from TV.

  22. Post #22
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    I have to admit that gaming and tv have made me swear more.

  23. Post #23
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    RayvenQ posted:
    Hell I was 12 when GTA first came out, I played it, loved it doing all kinds of things with it, mostly mass murder sprees, but I came out as a well balanced person, despite having other, though unrelated, mental flaws.

    But let's pretend that you got into a fight, you would know how to fight back because television has taught you how. I'm sure if there was no television you would still swing a few punches but you wouldn't really know what you were doing.

  24. Post #24
    It would desensitize you, but not make you turn into a hardcore born killer with a natural predator instinct.

  25. Post #25
    Dennab
    May 2008
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    The censorship system in media is almost corrupted.
    Violence is A-Ok, but anything sexually related like nipples? God forbid.

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    gaming and TV have without a doubt made me swear a lot more, but i have enough brains to know that violence is unacceptable and should stay on the TV or in games.

  27. Post #27
    Kikka-2 posted:
    The censorship system in media is almost corrupted.
    Violence is A-Ok, but anything sexually related like nipples? God forbid.
    Just a backwards world in this case.

    Edit:If anyone is dumb enough to actually believe that violence in games is actually real, then they should probably be sent to some mental institute.

  28. Post #28
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    Children tend to imitate their role-models. And if their role-model is a TV character then that's probably because of bad parenting.

  29. Post #29
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    abcpea3 posted:
    Children tend to imitate their role-models. And if their role-model is a TV character then that's probably because of bad parenting.
    I don't see anyone dressing up as a purple dinosaur.

    Or jumping on turtles and collecting gold coins.

  30. Post #30
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    abcpea3 posted:
    Children tend to imitate their role-models. And if their role-model is a TV character then that's probably because of bad parenting.
    "oh, batman can fly. that must mean, that also i can fly! :excited:

    *on rooftop*

    *jumps*

    WEEEE!! :excited:

    OHSHI---"

  31. Post #31
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    Garry I grew up playing Unreal Tournament and Quake...why haven't I turned serial killer yet?

  32. Post #32
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    It's not that it causes us to go around saying "I'M GONNA FUCK YOU UP" for no reason, it's that it makes us think less of it as permanently damaging.

  33. Post #33
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    Human logic isn't built-in at birth. It grows gradually. It would make sense to believe that if a child plays a video game without being told beforehand that it's wrong, the kid might take it more seriously than an adult would.

    Basically, I think that children need to be taught that violence is wrong before they're exposed to things that may indicate that it's right.

    People tend to have a very black-and-white view on it though - violence in games/tv/etc won't magically transform anyone into a monster.

  34. Post #34
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    But what about this:

    There were gladiators in ancient times and people watched them to kill themselves.
    So wouldn't that make the viewers violent?

    And in medival times there were public executions.

    So i think it's more civilisaized to show acted violence rather than real.

  35. Post #35
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    Metanoia posted:
    Human logic isn't built-in at birth. It grows gradually. It would make sense to believe that if a child plays a video game without being told beforehand that it's wrong, the kid might take it more seriously than an adult would.

    Basically, I think that children need to be taught that violence is wrong before they're exposed to things that may indicate that it's right.

    I got always beaten on school, teachers didn't give a fuck about it.
    When i defended myself (punched the bullyer), i were told, that it was wrong.
    Basically, i did a wrong thing, since i din't let bullyers to kill me.

  36. Post #36
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    Violence in media only really affects children greatly. Older people may be affected, however not as much as a suggestible child may be.

  37. Post #37
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    May 2007
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    garrys mod is violent

    thread over

  38. Post #38
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    garry posted:
    It's not saying that TV invented violence. It's saying that TV makes children think it's acceptable.
    That's why we have the age rating. Don't take it seriously? Suffer the consecuenses.

  39. Post #39
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    InsanePyro posted:
    Garry I grew up playing Unreal Tournament and Quake...why haven't I turned serial killer yet?
    Because you already knew that killing people was wrong. If you were born into a room and didn't see any other humans, and all you'd ever seen was UT and Quake.. then at the age of 18 you saw another human and you had a gun, I'm guessing your first instinct would be to shoot them.

    I'm not talking about 12 year olds. I'm talking about under 5 years old.

  40. Post #40
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    This is just more made up crap. I've seen my share of violence on T.V. I saw Saving Private Ryan. I didn't feel that violence was acceptable, I didn't feel like going back in time and shooting people, I didn't feel like getting violent at all.