1. Post #241
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    Hold on there, tiger. That demonstrates a PREFERENCE in human life, my own over others. It doesn't demonstrate a lack of understanding in the inherent value. For instance, I don't care how many rats die, I think we should continue medical advancements for the sake of human life. That quote demonstrates the fact that I value MY OWN life above the life of a person I don't know.

    You need better evidence than that.

    Furthermore, the fact that you don't have a job and can't even name the job you're "going into soon" demonstrates absolutely no work experience.
    No, it demonstrates that you don't think people have a right to survive cancer if it costs your tax dollars. You see there's quite a difference between one and the other. One is heartless, and the other is human nature.

    Once again though, you ignore my point, I've had jobs in the past and have done good old physical labour in my sisters delivery company. So please, feel free to explain how I don't understand the value of work. That, or you can stop embarrassing yourself lankist, because It's a little tiring seeing you contradict yourself constantly.

    Edited:

    He's the one who insisted I follow in his footsteps.
    Don't make excuses for your failure to produce an adequate argument, you didn't allow him too.

  2. Post #242
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    Dennab
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    someone throw a fucking pie or something

  3. Post #243
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    No, it demonstrates that you don't think people have a right to survive cancer if it costs your tax dollars. You see there's quite a difference between one and the other. One is heartless, and the other is human nature.
    Murder is also human nature. Let's justify that too.

    Face it, you're making bullshit presumptions about a person you don't know.

    Once again though, you ignore my point, I've had jobs in the past and have done good old physical labour in my sisters delivery company. So please, feel free to explain how I don't understand the value of work. That, or you can stop embarrassing yourself lankist, because It's a little tiring seeing you contradict yourself constantly.
    You are arguing against yourself.

  4. Post #244
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    The Venus project also operates on a RESOURCE BASED ECONOMY.

    An ECONOMY.

    Resource-based economy
    Jesus you are thick. When I was talking about banning the economy I was obviously referring to the one economic system we're living in today. I'm terribly sorry that English isn't my first language and that I was unaware that you function like a robot that can't think for itself and make that kind of connection.

    See also:Resource-based economy
    The Venus Project was founded on the idea that poverty is caused by the stifling of progress in technology, which itself is caused by the present world's profit-driven economic system. The progression of technology, if it were carried on independent of its profitability, Fresco theorizes, would make more resources available to more people. This new-found abundance of resources would reduce the human tendency toward independence, corruption, and greed, and instead rely on people helping each other.[7][8] Fresco believes his ideas would maximally benefit the greatest number of people and he states some of his ideas stem from his formative years during the Great Depression.[9]
    Fundamental to the project is the elimination of the current money-based economy in favor of a resource-based economy.[4]
    That is a very poor description. The Venus Project is about much much more than this. Read the essay I posted.

    Which means it is inconsistent with your claims.
    Read that goddamn essay.

    Furthermore, if I'm going to debate the fucking Venus Project, I'll debate it with the idiots who came up with it, not through you as a proxy. Make your own argument or leave.
    And you think they have nothing better to do but to waste their time on you? Utterly pointless. Talking doesn't help. You don't seem to comprehend. My argument is completely embedded in the ideas of the Project and at this time around I'm unfortunately the only one who's willing to spend their time with you.

  5. Post #245
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    Murder is also human nature. Let's justify that too.

    Face it, you're making bullshit presumptions about a person you don't know.



    You are arguing against yourself.
    Seriously, you're not even pretending to have an argument anymore. This is pathetic lankist, and the only reason you're replying is because your little "internet arguments" can't be lost.

  6. Post #246
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    Dennab
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    Jesus you are thick. When I was talking about banning the economy I was obviously referring to the one economic system we're living in today.
    what is this shit


    stop it this is all terrible, full of terrible ideas

  7. Post #247
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    Dennab
    February 2006
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    And what is stopping a kind of discontent like that from building in your easily toppled Socialist system?
    Well for one a socialist system wouldn't have to worry about a bourgeoisie manipulating anybody. For two, a building of class consciousness among everyday people and re-orienting state machinery to serve the proletariat would perform the same function that state always serves, to maintain order the status quo and subsequently whatever dominant class is in power.

    It's funny how you keep throwing the word science into your opinion. This is philosophy, not science, and you still refuse to answer what keeps a socialist society from collapsing under the weight of discontent.
    This isn't my opinion I'm afraid. You're just covering your ears.

    Also you just asked me that question, how have I been refusing to answer it?

    I thought it was a science.
    Marxism is a science, but you brought up the philosophy behind building socialism, which I answered.

    Yeah and the dodo was a successful species when it wasn't extinct.
    The difference is there is no such thing as natural selection of societies, which you apparently stuck on. Societies do not progress because of some arbitrary natural selection, they progress because of class struggle.

    And yet the class struggle came AFTER the extinction of the Hunter-Gatherer society you love to reference.
    You're getting nowhere with this. Class struggle progresses society, but classes are ultimately divided by their relationship to the means of production. In the case of hunter-gatherer societies, the means of production was so inefficient people had to work with each other just to live. Also, ad hom.

    You've yet to acknowledge WHY.
    Jesus fucking christ. I HAVE. This is why I'm fucking getting sick of this argument, you're not listening to me or anybody else in this fucking thread.

    Then how about you quit repeating yourself and address the points I present.
    I'm starting to think you're a troll.

    It's funny, one second you call it science, the other you call it philosophy. It's as though not even you understand what you're talking about.
    Probably because you aren't even listening to what I'm saying. Shall I clarify again? OK. I said marxism was a science. You brought up the philosophy behind building socialism, something that stems from marxism but isn't scientific. Much like how there's a philosophy behind the act of sex but genealogy is still a science.

    Oh, and capitalism is out-dated but Hunter Gatherer is the WAY TO GO.
    Strawman. No where did I say I want hunter-gather societies, you're just running out of fucking arguments.

    And that capital just sits there and nobody uses it.
    This is the dumbest thing you've said so far.

    I'm going to split all the goddamn hairs over infringement of liberty that I want. That's the entire point of this goddamn country. And the best part is the government can't do a goddamn thing about it.
    Haha what? Read that bit again.

    You're veering into some serious police state thought control shit now.
    More strawmans and running out of arguments. And you wonder why I'm getting sick of this argument.

    No. You're wrong and you refuse to acknowledge the points, and now you're trying to find an out. If you want to quit, admit defeat and quit.
    Right, tell yourself that.

    I've literally explained every position, point, and rebuttal in detail. But you're just ignoring me, dodging arguments, using ad homs, and have a fancy for strawmans. I think people like drive_the_hive and chippay can agree.

    There's literally nothing else I can say. I practically walked you through marxist philosophy and you just covered your ears the whole way.

    I won't be replying to this thread again. I guess I admit defeat, because I admit I can't stand being ignored and having words put into my mouth. Quite a bit of a shallow victory I suppose, but I guess to you it's a victory nonetheless. Have fun.

  8. Post #248
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    what is this shit


    stop it this is all terrible, full of terrible ideas
    get out

  9. Post #249
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    Dennab
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    hey that's gold member forum shit

  10. Post #250
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    Seriously, you're not even pretending to have an argument anymore. This is pathetic lankist, and the only reason you're replying is because your little "internet arguments" can't be lost.
    Says the dude who thinks Mexicans aren't on the internet.

  11. Post #251
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    hey that's gold member forum shit
    Since you're not welcome there I thought I'd spread some gmf feel.

  12. Post #252
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    Dennab
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    Says the dude who thinks Mexicans aren't on the internet.
    shit, they could probably build a computer

    fuck, they built everything else

    Edited:

    Since you're not welcome there
    :smugdog:

  13. Post #253
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    :smugdog:

    You sounded a little different back then.

  14. Post #254
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    Libertarians make me laugh.

  15. Post #255
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    Says the dude who thinks Mexicans aren't on the internet.
    says the man who wants cancer patients to die painfully in ghettos

    see, i can intentionally misinterpret what you're saying too. not that doing that makes you completely ignoring the arguments of more elegant people than yourself any better

  16. Post #256
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    Dennab
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    You sounded a little different back then.
    :frogc00l:

    Edited:

    Libertarians make me laugh.
    i'm here all week

  17. Post #257
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    someone throw a fucking pie or something
    Hey, how about those airline peanuts? You can never get them open!

  18. Post #258
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    Hey, how about those airline peanuts? You can never get them open!
    fucking furries with their non-opposable thumbs

  19. Post #259
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    How does Socialism promote labor for wealth and Capitalism dose not?
    Wait. I think I don't get what you're saying. Socialism promotes Labor as the unit of value in society. It aims to abolish money and the concept of wealth by making everyone equal. Capitalism aims to give currency and wealth to those who work hard for it, and to let them elevate above others.

    tl;dr: Socialism = labor for labor's sake(unless you're fanatically devoted to the State), capitalism = labor for currency and thereby wealth.

  20. Post #260
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    says the man who wants cancer patients to die painfully in ghettos

    see, i can intentionally misinterpret what you're saying too. not that doing that makes you completely ignoring the arguments of more elegant people than yourself any better
    So you're admitting you know your argument is bullshit and you intentionally ignored the issue.

  21. Post #261
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    fucking furries with their non-opposable thumbs

    What's up with that?

  22. Post #262
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    :frogc00l:
    bit more like :smith:

  23. Post #263
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    So you're admitting you know your argument is bullshit and you intentionally ignored the issue.
    no, i haven't ignored the issue. if you want an example of ignoring the issue look at your last post in this thread. if you want to spout nonsensical garbage in an attempt to get away from the argument i'll play along but don't expect to be able to go back to that argument a post later

  24. Post #264
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    bit more like :smith:
    :tiphat:

  25. Post #265
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    :byewhore:

    Edited:

    Even tho you're always welcome. I'm no elitist priq who banishes people from the GMF and we never had beef so wtf lets hang out.

  26. Post #266
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    Socialism was forced in Russia, if you've ever read Marx' book on how the revolution was supposed to evolve you'd see that it didn't go quite how he saw it. So in essence, we cannot say Marxist communism failed.

    People are talking about being equal in this thread.
    How do you know when something is perfect? When you have something imperfect to compare it to.
    There is no equality on the planet, humans are not supposed to live equal.
    In Huxley's Brave New World the government makes every new citizen in a test tube, ranging from Alphas to Ypsilons (Best to worse). They do this so the Alpha people can take on important jobs, and the Ypsilons, who are made less capable can do the hard labour. When they put a group of Alphas on an island, and gave some of them their fitting jobs, and others Ypsilon-work, they started a civil war.

    People work as they are able. We have to create equal oppurtunities, not equal chances.

  27. Post #267

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    Moore is awesome! I'm totally waiting for this one.

  28. Post #268
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    I make something.

    I sell something.

    I earn money.

    That is capitalism.
    No, you strive for the highest profit.

  29. Post #269

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    No, you strive for the highest profit.
    Which is what we all strive to do.

  30. Post #270
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    No, you strive for the highest profit.
    I'm fairly certain his bank account would be evidence to him making a very high profit.

  31. Post #271
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    Christ almighty, I can't believe I just read through 7 pages of bullshit economic plans, bad debating, and Jerry Seinfeld jokes. I would of rather watched one of fatass Moore's movies than to have gone through that.

  32. Post #272
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    Yes, we had a lot of fun yesterday.

  33. Post #273
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    Get a job, you bum.

  34. Post #274
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    Why haven't i seen the incentive to work argument? It's like the number one selling point for capitalism.
    If noone's giving you what you deserve when you work, people are just going to sit on their asses.

    The USSR was less productive than America during the cold war in spite of it having the most natural resources because of one, simple thing.
    People won't work harder if there's nothing to it but the "common good". We want to taste the fruits of our labour, not hand over our hard earned rewards to some fat, greedy politician who has never accomplished anything and only lives to rule others, a man elected not because of expertise or insight, but because of his charisma and the ammount of money poured into his election campaign.

    People are too stupid to vote for the right guy just yet, let's wait till we all look like eggheads and master theoretical quantum nuclear rocket physics.

    Until then, i'll keep my shit thank you very much.

    Edith'd:

    Dear whoever rated me dumb.
    Please write a post explaining why what i just wrote seemed dumb, or perhaps what part of it you didn't understand, and i'll clarify it.

  35. Post #275
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    Dear whoever rated me dumb.
    Please write a post explaining why what i just wrote seemed dumb, or perhaps what part of it you didn't understand, and i'll clarify it.
    r8ed dum

  36. Post #276
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    I'm fairly certain his bank account would be evidence to him making a very high profit.
    Yes, but is he striving for the highest possible profit?
    Shouldn't he be making stuffed animals to go with his DVD?

  37. Post #277
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    That's a bullshit argument.

    GUYS GUYS I'm not capitalist I got rich on accident

  38. Post #278
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    I think Lankist made his point 7 pages ago.

  39. Post #279
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    Lots of dumb ratings, no explanation of how it ISN'T hypocritical to sell a criticism of capitalism.
    How the fuck do you know what he does with his money? For all you know he might give it to charity.

  40. Post #280
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    How the fuck do you know what he does with his money? For all you know he might give it to charity.
    Yes Michael Moore donates all of his money to charity and spends many hungry nights because of it.

    Edited:

    Are you seriously that fucking naive?

    Edited:

    The man's net worth is in excess of 50 million USD.