1. Post #161
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    It very well could. I believe one of his famous quotes went along the lines of "If you tell a big enough lie and tell it often enough, it will be believed." The reason Hitler was more successful than many dictators is because he got to the top by way of diplomacy. If you can gradually snake your way into the hearts and minds of a people and their ruling body, you can seize them and gain control. And that he did. His image hid his intentions well. He was doing great things for Germany and it took a while before people really realized what he was ever so gradually doing. The reason he so easily won over the people was his excellent oration and the fact he was living his intentions. He had reasons he thought to be logical behind his conquests and attacks on the Jews. He lived it, therefore his people did too. It really isn't that hard if you take a step back and look at the minds and patterns of people through a deeper perspective. Anyone who knows this could become the next Hitler. Determined, logical, brilliant, and most important of all: sly. You have to be the devious and crafty son of a bitch that Hitler was. It took him so long to rise to the top because he was so careful and gradual. He gained the trust of his targets and left nothing to chance. We could all learn a thing from his ambition and careful reasoning.
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  2. Post #162
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    I hate how everyone is calling the Nazis Socialist. That was in fact their name, and their platform was based on socialist ideology, however they were not socialist. Have you ever heard of a campaign lie? This is what Hitler did, he lied about his platform to easily assume power, and once he was in created a Far-Right Elitist Oligarchy that excluded many people from the higher classes. Socialism is about freedom and rights for everyone in the world, and not just a privileged class in one nation. Even look at the name of the Nazis: National Socialists. How does national socialism even make sense when the communist/socialist credo is "Workers of the World Unite!". Back on topic, Hitler probably has happened again already, and we are too naive or brainwashed to take notice. Remember, truth and history are written by the winners.

  3. Post #163
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    Our country is not in the toilet
    We are far from what the Germans had. They were starving, disease ridden and homeless.
    This thread is pointless. Look outside.

    Look outside. Do you see this in every street corner?
    Just another thread looking for views. Just like a shitty youtube emo song cover.
    Yeah, But Hitler changed that around. He was a good leader, minus all the jew killing and war starting.
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  4. Post #164
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    I think a new Hitler in the sense of his economic policy would be useful. Just nothing else about him.
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  5. Post #165
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    what economic policy

    hitler didn't do anything, he left shit the way it is

    the only thing he did do was stop workers from forming unions
    frisk was the one suggesting he should do shit and hitler was like naw its cool bro
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  6. Post #166
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    what economic policy

    hitler didn't do anything, he left shit the way it is

    the only thing he did do was stop workers from forming unions
    frisk was the one suggesting he should do shit and hitler was like naw its cool bro
    What are you talking about?

    One of Hitler's main successes was his economic policies.

    Some of them...

    The government banned the some labour-replacing machines, increasing employment and Aggregate Demand through increased wages, as less men lost jobs to be replaced by machines.

    Employers had to get government permission before reducing their labour force, meaning they couldn't slash workers from the wage bill and increase unemployment.

    The government gave contracts to companies that relied on manual labour rather than machinery. This was happened during the massive autobahn (motorway) programme. They used prisoners aswell, instead of them being sat in jail costing the tax payer money they helped build and received wages to spend.

    The Nazis concentrated on rearming. Thousands of Germans worked in factories producing weapons. Boosted Aggregate Demand and increased employment.

    Conscription into the German armed forces helped to reduce the numbers of unemployed.

    Hitler also encouraged the mass production of radios. He was not only concerned with reducing unemployment, but also used it to boost his reach in terms of propaganda.

    Youth unemployment was dealt with by the making the Voluntary Labour Service (VLS) and the Voluntary Youth Service (VYS), they planted forests, repaired river banks and helped reclaim wasteland.

    He also announced the introduction of Labour Service (RAD). Under the RAD all men aged between the 19 and 25 had to work for the government for six months. Later women were also included in the scheme and they did work such as teaching and domestic service.

    At the end of it this Unemployment had fallen from 6 million in 1933 -> 300,000 by 1939
    Industrial production and GDP in 1939 was above the figure for Weimar Germany before the Great Crash.

    Hitler was massively successful economically and at reinstilling a national identity to the Germans. Unfortunately he went all crazy and started a war and killed millions of people. Before that though, he was an excellent leader, and was very successful both politically and economically.
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  7. Post #167
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    Nick Griffin is bad, but I doubt he is gas chamber bad.

  8. Post #168
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    Nick Griffin is bad, but I doubt he is gas chamber bad.
    No he isnt as "gas chamber bad", but he is just borderline retarded.

    I wouldn't want to live under him now i know his policies and I'm sure alot of people in Germany expected Hitler to come in in a Nationalist Socialist way (as that was the party he was in), i.e. redistributing wealth and jobs for the people, protection of jobs and so on, but then after all that he went ultra nationalist and killed non Germans and Jews for example.

  9. Post #169
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    Hmm as you said Hitler was good for the country to begin with before he started doing crazy things and ordering the deaths of people, invading other countries, etc. Maybe theres someone out there who can do all of the good without the bad...

  10. Post #170
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    It's a War, It's a War, It's a War, It's a Waaaaar, It's a Waaaaar.
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  11. Post #171
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    Well as long as the next person supports blonde hair and blue eyes I'm okay

  12. Post #172
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    Hmm as you said Hitler was good for the country to begin with before he started doing crazy things and ordering the deaths of people, invading other countries, etc. Maybe theres someone out there who can do all of the good without the bad...
    That's the thing, Hitler pushed very Nationalist policies onto the people, he basically outlawed Jews and Non Citizens from working and just sent them to the ghettos or to concentration camps. Yes he boosted the economy but he did it in a way that just doesn't fit in today in a world of integration and ethnic tolerance.

    Times have changed, we can't simply rely on a leader to be able to do all this again because most people will simply not want to work in factories or building roads to boost the economy, they want a job in an office or at home.

    People like the BNP are trying to do this, they are trying to play on some people's tendency to believe the papers; (i.e. that immigrants are ruining countries) and this is basically just propaganda, just like Hitler.

    All in all, people and life has changed, we won't ever have anyone like Hitler again, because of Hitler. The world will act faster when things start to get a little odd, or a leader starts to sanction certain groups away from others.

    I mean we were all up in arms about the BNP getting 1 seat in the UK; we have been heavily indoctrinated to believe that this kind of attitude is wrong; and it is wrong to a degree.

    Nationalism is not bad, its Fascist Nationalism that it. Not that I agree with what Hitler did outside of economics, but it is a sad day when you cannot fight to protect your heritage or your country without being labelled as racist.

    Because of what Hitler did, no one can be a Nationalist any more, without being labelled a racist mostly. The BNP are Fascist's, they say they want to "re-locate" people not from England back to their home, for example. This is bad, but being a patriot isn't.
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  13. Post #173
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    History's mistakes repeat for those who don't learn from them. There's always the chance of an event repeating itself, and always a chance of it being averted. But that only applies to those who believe that the future is constantly changing.

  14. Post #174
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    What are you talking about?

    One of Hitler's main successes was his economic policies.

    Some of them...

    The government banned the some labour-replacing machines, increasing employment and Aggregate Demand through increased wages, as less men lost jobs to be replaced by machines.

    Employers had to get government permission before reducing their labour force, meaning they couldn't slash workers from the wage bill and increase unemployment.

    The government gave contracts to companies that relied on manual labour rather than machinery. This was happened during the massive autobahn (motorway) programme. They used prisoners aswell, instead of them being sat in jail costing the tax payer money they helped build and received wages to spend.

    The Nazis concentrated on rearming. Thousands of Germans worked in factories producing weapons. Boosted Aggregate Demand and increased employment.

    Conscription into the German armed forces helped to reduce the numbers of unemployed.

    Hitler also encouraged the mass production of radios. He was not only concerned with reducing unemployment, but also used it to boost his reach in terms of propaganda.

    Youth unemployment was dealt with by the making the Voluntary Labour Service (VLS) and the Voluntary Youth Service (VYS), they planted forests, repaired river banks and helped reclaim wasteland.

    He also announced the introduction of Labour Service (RAD). Under the RAD all men aged between the 19 and 25 had to work for the government for six months. Later women were also included in the scheme and they did work such as teaching and domestic service.

    At the end of it this Unemployment had fallen from 6 million in 1933 -> 300,000 by 1939
    Industrial production and GDP in 1939 was above the figure for Weimar Germany before the Great Crash.

    Hitler was massively successful economically and at reinstilling a national identity to the Germans. Unfortunately he went all crazy and started a war and killed millions of people. Before that though, he was an excellent leader, and was very successful both politically and economically.
    That's not a success as it's amazingly short-sighted and cost intensive. The so called RAD was a backfall into feudalism.
    The motorway project was created and started in the Weimarer Republik.

    The whole concept had no financial back and was finaced by the cheap work of millions and millions of enslaved people who've been stripped of all of their possesions.

    Hell they even sold millions and millions of molten gold teeth and America and GB were good customers.

    Don't try to make him look better than he was.
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  15. Post #175
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    If it did, the military would have created a machine that brings people back to life.
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    That's not a success as it's amazingly short-sighted and cost intensive. The so called RAD was a backfall into feudalism.
    The motorway project was created and started in the Weimarer Republik.

    The whole concept had no financial back and was finaced by the cheap work of millions and millions of enslaved people who've been stripped of all of their possesions.

    Hell they even sold millions and millions of molten gold teeth and America and GB were good customers.

    Don't try to make him look better than he was.
    Of course Hitler's policies were bolstered by cheap labour, if you forgot your basic history Germany was ordered to pay billions in Reparations and was financially bankrupt. Furthermore the Wall Street Crash and rampant inflation meant Germany was so far up shit creek there was almost no conventional way back.

    I'm not making him look better than he was...Did his policies cut employment, raise GDP and make Germany a superpower again after Versailles?

    Also Hitler and Schacht reaped the end of the gold standard by keeping interest rates low and financing a huge deficit. Yes, questionable, but it worked.

    Consequently there was an extremely rapid decline in unemployment, (basically the most rapid decline in unemployment in any country during the Great Depression) This worked but eventually, this policy was supplemented by the boost to aggregate demand provided by rearmament and swelling military spending and by the fact that millions more germans were earning a wage.

    His methods were questionable but he got the job done. I agreed that Hitler wouldn't happen again because people have changed and so has modern life, but he got the job done and he stopped Germany's freefall, albeit in a "feudalist" way.
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  17. Post #177
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    That's the thing, Hitler pushed very Nationalist policies onto the people, he basically outlawed Jews and Non Citizens from working and just sent them to the ghettos or to concentration camps. Yes he boosted the economy but he did it in a way that just doesn't fit in today in a world of integration and ethnic tolerance.

    Times have changed, we can't simply rely on a leader to be able to do all this again because most people will simply not want to work in factories or building roads to boost the economy, they want a job in an office or at home.

    People like the BNP are trying to do this, they are trying to play on some people's tendency to believe the papers; (i.e. that immigrants are ruining countries) and this is basically just propaganda, just like Hitler.

    All in all, people and life has changed, we won't ever have anyone like Hitler again, because of Hitler. The world will act faster when things start to get a little odd, or a leader starts to sanction certain groups away from others.

    I mean we were all up in arms about the BNP getting 1 seat in the UK; we have been heavily indoctrinated to believe that this kind of attitude is wrong; and it is wrong to a degree.

    Nationalism is not bad, its Fascist Nationalism that it. Not that I agree with what Hitler did outside of economics, but it is a sad day when you cannot fight to protect your heritage or your country without being labelled as racist.

    Because of what Hitler did, no one can be a Nationalist any more, without being labelled a racist mostly. The BNP are Fascist's, they say they want to "re-locate" people not from England back to their home, for example. This is bad, but being a patriot isn't.
    I see, well that has clarified the whole thing a bit better for me. It is quite a long time since I read up on this subject. Thanks for the thoughtful explanation.
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  18. Post #178
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    I don't see why not. Hitler happened before hitler, in form of Djhingis Khan. You don't even need starving people. All you need is a major happening and someone to blame on. That way Hitler got all(not really) of the Germans to approve the holocaust. Also he did a coup d'etat, otherwise he wouldn't have the power to start such a thing.

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    I see, well that has clarified the whole thing a bit better for me. It is quite a long time since I read up on this subject. Thanks for the thoughtful explanation.
    No problem, i suggest you read up on it, it is very interesting. Incidentally i hope to do my Politics Degree dissertation on Nazi Germany and it's ideology, i find it truly fascinating.

    I don't see why not. Hitler happened before hitler, in form of Djhingis Khan. You don't even need starving people. All you need is a major happening and someone to blame on. That way Hitler got all(not really) of the Germans to approve the holocaust. Also he did a coup d'etat, otherwise he wouldn't have the power to start such a thing.
    Modern politics has become all about centrist policies and consensus politics. Anyone even pushing the boundaries of the right or even the left is instantly shot down and almost exiled by everyone. Even in a huge global recession no one has started a huge nationalist uprising close to the scale of Hitler, and i don't think there ever will be in our current societal state.

  20. Post #180
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    And Djinghis Khan wasn't like that. He just had an army, and thought it would be a good idea to pillage every village from china to Palestina.

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    And Djinghis Khan wasn't like that. He just had an army, and thought it would be a good idea to pillage every village from china to Palestina.
    Fair enough but i don't think we are really talking about a pure military uprising. And to be honest, in a modern world most countries have some military power. Khan was around when political development was slow and alot of armies and countries he pillaged and defeated were no more than militias compared to him.

  22. Post #182
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    BNP. They're gonna be worse than hitler if they get any sort of power.
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  23. Post #183
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    BNP. They're gonna be worse than hitler if they get any sort of power.
    They won't get in, don't worry. The only way the BNP will get in power is if all the intelligent people die in one fell swoop.

  24. Post #184
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    They won't get in, don't worry. The only way the BNP will get in power is if all the intelligent people die in one fell swoop.
    I know. i personally hate the illegal immigrants that get asylum here. but i'm not for slaughtering all but pure bred british. hell i'm from chinese ancestry.

  25. Post #185
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    Iran still looks like Hitler already happened there. Not as fast but still.

  26. Post #186
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    There source of power is the Chintimani stone! We must get there first.... to shangrala!

  27. Post #187
    I spent 10$ and all i got was this lousy title.
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    Leave Putin alone :saddowns:
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  28. Post #188
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    Iran still looks like Hitler already happened there. Not as fast but still.
    Iran is a worry yes. I agree, especially with nuclear power, but i don't think they are retarded enough to start a war they cannot win.

    I know. i personally hate the illegal immigrants that get asylum here. but i'm not for slaughtering all but pure bred british. hell i'm from chinese ancestry.
    Do you not think it is ironic that your ancestors were immigrants once and that we granted you the right to live here; yet you don't like the idea of immigration for others in the same situation?

    Most "illegal immigrants" flee countries like Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran and so on where they are persecuted and may be killed. A lot of people I know are all for just "closing the country", but we have to remember this one thing...

    Immigrants do the jobs we don't want to. You will see some immigrants down at the job centre and the post office getting the dole, but the majority are doing the shitty jobs no British people will do, like being a bin man, cleaning gutters or street sweeping. But the papers don't care about them. All they care about is some British guy getting sacked because he doesn't work as hard as a Polish guy, and we fucking drink it up, that's why the BNP got in, because alot of working class British are lazy and don't want to work, so they blame the immigrants instead.

  29. Post #189
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    Nope, it most likely couldn't happen again.

  30. Post #190
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    Iran is a worry yes. I agree, especially with nuclear power, but i don't think they are retarded enough to start a war they cannot win.



    Most "illegal immigrants" flee countries like Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran and so on where they are persecuted and may be killed. A lot of people I know are all for just "closing the country", but we have to remember this one thing...

    Immigrants do the jobs we don't want to. You will see some immigrants down at the job centre and the post office getting the dole, but the majority are doing the shitty jobs no British people will do, like being a bin man, cleaning gutters or street sweeping. But the papers don't care about them. All they care about is some British guy getting sacked because he doesn't work as hard as a Polish guy, and we fucking drink it up, that's why the BNP got in, because alot of working class British are lazy and don't want to work, so they blame the immigrants instead.
    They are just sucking more money out of the economy that's almost like a woman after dracula's had 5 pints out of her.
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  31. Post #191
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    They are just sucking more money out of the economy that's almost like a woman after dracula's had 5 pints out of her.
    I presume your a troll so i won't bother.

    Also, if they are sucking money out of the economy, what are British people who don't work doing to the economy?

  32. Post #192
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    Nope, it most likely couldn't happen again.
    They said that about WWII, Three Mile Island(Chernobyl was it and more.) And hiroshim-Wait no.

    Edited:

    I presume your a troll so i won't bother.
    No. i'm just a bit insane.
    -Edited by Johnathun Kowalski. FBI.

  33. Post #193
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    Where is Israel
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  34. Post #194
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    No.

  35. Post #195
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    It very well could. I believe one of his famous quotes went along the lines of "If you tell a big enough lie and tell it often enough, it will be believed." The reason Hitler was more successful than many dictators is because he got to the top by way of diplomacy. If you can gradually snake your way into the hearts and minds of a people and their ruling body, you can seize them and gain control. And that he did. His image hid his intentions well. He was doing great things for Germany and it took a while before people really realized what he was ever so gradually doing. The reason he so easily won over the people was his excellent oration and the fact he was living his intentions. He had reasons he thought to be logical behind his conquests and attacks on the Jews. He lived it, therefore his people did too. It really isn't that hard if you take a step back and look at the minds and patterns of people through a deeper perspective. Anyone who knows this could become the next Hitler. Determined, logical, brilliant, and most important of all: sly. You have to be the devious and crafty son of a bitch that Hitler was. It took him so long to rise to the top because he was so careful and gradual. He gained the trust of his targets and left nothing to chance. We could all learn a thing from his ambition and careful reasoning.
    Careful and gradual? Diplomatic? Careful reasoning? You do know how he attempted a coup to cease the power at first. And how he killed off most diplomatic competeters which is one of the main reasons why he could so easily win the heart of the people. Noone could say anything bad about him without having a fatal accident later and thus noone said anything bad about him. He also only really gained supreme power because Hindenburg who had previously denied Hitler the seat of Chancellor was being forced by his own corrupt ex-Chancellors and Chancellors to grant Hitler the seat. And just when his party was about to loose a diplomatic battle.The Reichstag(Parlament) with all the votes in it burned and of course the communists were blamed. This gave Hitler time to bribe his way out of the problem so when the next election was held the NAZI party won the majority and granted themselves supreme power for 4 years. It wasn't long before Hitler appointed himself Führer and gave himself supreme power for life.

  36. Post #196
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wave_%28book%29

    Worth reading. They also made a popular (at least in germany) movie.
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  37. Post #197
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    Oh Obama is gonna fucking kill the world, yeah, health care can NOT be a good thing.

    Fucking please. Wanna live a rough life? Head down here to Venezuela, try not to get fucking killed.
    Do you have any idea what congress did to his healthcare plan? It's a lot worse now than it was prior to Obama's election.

  38. Post #198
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    Do you have any idea what congress did to his healthcare plan? It's a lot worse now than it was prior to Obama's election.
    At first I thought we we're going to pick-up the health care plan that Germany has, now it makes me sad to see what is going to happen.
    I'll stick with Gorby, we all know how good he is.

  39. Post #199
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    I think free health care is a good thing, however abused and as much the people expect from it.

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    I went on 4chan
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