1. Post #1
    Starpluck? More like StarFUCK!!
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    http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2...uality039.html
    Jakarta Post posted:
    Homosexuals and homosexuality are natural and created by God, thus permissible within Islam, a discussion concluded here Thursday.
    Moderate Muslim scholars said there were no reasons to reject homosexuals under Islam, and that the condemnation of homosexuals and homosexuality by mainstream ulema and many other Muslims was based on narrow-minded interpretations of Islamic teachings.




    Siti Musdah Mulia of the Indonesia Conference of Religions and Peace cited the Koran's al-Hujurat (49:3) that one of the blessings for human beings was that all men and women are equal, regardless of ethnicity, wealth, social positions or even sexual orientation.
    "There is no difference between lesbians and nonlesbians. In the eyes of God, people are valued based on their piety," she told the discussion organized by nongovernmental organization Arus Pelangi.
    "And talking about piety is God's prerogative to judge," she added.
    "The essence of the religion (Islam) is to humanize humans, respect and dignify them."
    Musdah said homosexuality was from God and should be considered natural, adding it was not pushed only by passion.



    Mata Air magazine managing editor Soffa Ihsan said Islam's acknowledgement of heterogeneity should also include homosexuality.
    He said Muslims needed to continue to embrace ijtihad (the process of making a legal decision by independent interpretation of the Koran and the Sunnah) to avoid being stuck in the old paradigm without developing open-minded interpretations.
    Another speaker at the discussion, Nurofiah of the Nahdlatul Ulama (NU), said the dominant notion of heterogeneity was a social construction, leading to the banning of homosexuality by the majority.
    "Like gender bias or patriarchy, heterogeneity bias is socially constructed. It would be totally different if the ruling group was homosexuals," she said.
    Other speakers said the magnificence of Islam was that it could be blended and integrated into local culture.
    "In fact, Indonesia's culture has accepted homosexuality. The homosexual group in Bugis-Makassar tradition called Bissu is respected and given a high position in the kingdom.



    "Also, we know that in Ponorogo (East Java) there has been acknowledgement of homosexuality," Arus Pelangi head Rido Triawan said.
    Condemnation of homosexuality was voiced by two conservative Muslim groups, the Indonesian Ulema Council (MUI) and Hizbut Thahir Indonesia (HTI).
    "It's a sin. We will not consider homosexuals an enemy, but we will make them aware that what they are doing is wrong," MUI deputy chairman Amir Syarifuddin said.
    Rokhmat, of the hardline HTI, several times asked homosexual participants in attendance to repent and force themselves to gradually return to the right path.
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    Perfect, I always knew Islam was a more civilized religion and recognizing homosexuality is one step closer for the rest of the world to follow suit.
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    It looks like they came out of the closet.
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    Islam is P. cool
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    Oh, here we go again.
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    Perfect, I always knew Islam was a more civilized religion and recognizing homosexuality is one step closer for the rest of the world to follow suit.
    Hahaha, nice one. Civilised religion... Good one.
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    Hahaha, nice one. Civilised religion... Good one.
    you spelled "civilized" wrong.
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    Hahaha, nice one. Civilised religion... Good one.
    Might I take a jab at your actual age? single digits? You may not know it but Islam is the worlds fastest growing religion and second largest behind Christianity. It also did what Christianity couldn't do, combine religion and government into a single entity.
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    Might I take a jab at your actual age? single digits? You may not know it but Islam is the worlds fastest growing religion and second largest behind Christianity. It also did what Christianity couldn't do, combine religion and government into a single entity.
    and science


    I read that in a book
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    http://www.facebook.com/pages/I-Lold...6146178?ref=nf

    And this is why everyone hates America...
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    and science


    I read that in a book
    Yeah, the science discoveries are here

  12. Post #12

    March 2010
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    Because you think religion is incredibly dumb and a pathetic attempt to bring people together and control other people you must be of a single digit age? That's just childish of you to assume Pacmaney.

    What you must remember is that religion is a belief, and because it is a belief created by man and there is no way to prove that it is correct; it is therefore less intelligent to believe it than to not believe it.

    If I said to you, "Hey, there's a monkey in a wheelchair inside the Earth's core, but I can't prove it to you." it would be stupid to believe it unless there is hard evidence to support it. Whereas if you said "prove it", and I said "prove that there is not", that is not valid; because I am the one claiming that there is.

    I hope this makes sense for you.
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    Might I take a jab at your actual age? single digits? You may not know it but Islam is the worlds fastest growing religion and second largest behind Christianity. It also did what Christianity couldn't do, combine religion and government into a single entity.
    Are you actually implying that that was a good idea, or that it's succesful?
    What does the fact that Islam is the second largest religion and that it's growing fast have to do with how civilized it is?
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    It also did what Christianity couldn't do, combine religion and government into a single entity.
    Look how great that turns out.
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    That's pretty good
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    Jesus christ, I never would have expected this.
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    Still they have done so much bad that this doesn't make them clean.
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    This is -- excuse me -- a DAMN fine cup of coffee.
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    I'm disappointed in the lack of rainbows in here.


    FABULOUS!:unsmigghh:
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    Who wants to come to the aquarium later and watch me screw with the sharks?
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    Every Islamic person I've met has been an incredibly friendly person, I'm not suprised at this at all.
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    I bid farewell to the homosexuals concerned by this, have fun with your sharia law.

    In all seriousness, Islam in theory is excellent. In practice, it breeds corruption and hate faster than Christianity has ever achieved.
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    Yet leaving the religion is punishable by death.
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    Every Islamic person I've met has been an incredibly friendly person, I'm not suprised at this at all.
    By that logic, people who have never had anything against homosexuality (most atheists) are way nicer.

    Edited:

    You're all acting as if every muslim in the world is suddenly okay with homosexuality, which they most certainly aren't, and as if they're very progressive. Most of the western world have been okay with homosexuality for decades now.
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    Every Islamic person I've met has been an incredibly friendly person, I'm not suprised at this at all.
    By analogy, pedophiles handing out candy to children are also very nice.
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    It also did what Christianity couldn't do, combine religion and government into a single entity.
    ... The USA?
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    By that logic, people who have never had anything against homosexuality (most atheists) are way nicer.

    Edited:

    You're all acting as if every muslim in the world is suddenly okay with homosexuality, which they most certainly aren't, and as if they're very progressive. Most of the western world have been okay with homosexuality for decades now.
    He didn't say that.

    He said that every Islamic person he had met were nice.
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    Since when are women equal to men in Islam?
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    Who wants to come to the aquarium later and watch me screw with the sharks?
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    By analogy, pedophiles handing out candy to children are also very nice.
    Ultimately, they're going to rape the kids, so, no, not really.

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    I would have a bigger respect for Islam if it wasn't for Sharia. Muhammed was probably high when he thought of that.
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    By that logic, people who have never had anything against homosexuality (most atheists) are way nicer.
    You forgot the Christians and Catholics that have nothing against homosexuality.

    Oh wait, you're Atheist, aren't you?
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    Since when are women equal to men in Islam?
    They are, but conditionally.

    Fucked up 'aint it.
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    you spelled "civilized" wrong.
    No, http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/civilised
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    Edited:

    You're all acting as if every muslim in the world is suddenly okay with homosexuality, which they most certainly aren't, and as if they're very progressive. Most of the western world have been okay with homosexuality for decades now.
    That's quite a big statement you made there. I am curious to know how you know all Muslims aren't for homosexuality. Also how is this not progressive? And like you said, most of the western world has. They're still many States that do not recognize gay marriage.

  34. Post #34
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    It's an American/British English thing.

    z is predominantly used in the US.
    s in Britain.
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    you spelled "civilized" wrong.
    UK spelling
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    Ultimately, they're going to rape the kids, so, no, not really.
    That's my point.

  37. Post #37
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    Still they have done so much bad that this doesn't make them clean.
    What about Christianity. It has done just as bad. And yet. Islam seems to be more open minded.

    Fortunately or unfortunately (whichever you believe.) Many believe that Christianity is dying. And I can see why?
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    I guess you still can't buttfuck before marriage?
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    So, are they going to remove the very serious penalties that exist in many middle-eastern countries for being gay?
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    About time
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