1. Post #3521
    POOP DICKS
    Dark Descent's Avatar
    August 2008
    4,912 Posts
    I don't mean to start an argument or cause offense but why do paintballers always bring up the pain aspect. I mean you guys aren't all masochists, right?
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  2. Post #3522
    No such thing as overkill.
    catbarf's Avatar
    January 2007
    7,995 Posts
    Gas guns match real-steel magazine capacities, have full auto standard where applicable, and overall have much more realistic externals, plus airsoft guns have a much longer effective range. I don't think pain is at all relevant, and to be honest it reminds me of Youtube kiddies who tink its awsum cuz it herts. For realism, I think airsoft wins pretty much hands-down, hence its ongoing replacement of paintball for training.

    I still play paintball, but solely because it's easier to take some newbies, explain how to use the gun, tell them how to play, and set them loose. The realism of airsoft guns coupled with the heavy reliance of the honor system and lack of commercial fields with rentals makes it harder to pick up and play. For casual recreation and corporate team-building I think paintball is way better, but for serious training or competitive play I have come to much prefer airsoft.
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  3. Post #3523
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    October 2006
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    Yeah i get that part of it, I mean i used to play airsoft like ages ago, but never as seriously as i play paintball, i had a JG 614 (a HK 416 look alike) but, and i don't mean to offend anyone here, but if you are with the right people, paintball can be really damn realistic, and in my opinion more so than airsoft, the whole metallic sound of the rifle when you depress your trigger cant be found on the same scale as in airsoft, i mean unless you have some super bad ass gas blow-back, that and the whole concept of shooting and getting shot at, the really realistic paintball guns dont push like 5bps, but one per each trigger pull where electric AEG's are really fast and sometimes annoying sounding, and as for getting shot at, well i know airsoft can hurt, but not on the same scale as paintball, when i was playing this past weekend, i got lit the fuck up, my entire left side is black and blue, and it only took like 5 shots, yeah blood was drawn, and i know that can happen with airsoft, but again not on the same level. but then again pain is all relative, so its all in the eye of the beholder,

    AND AGAIN by no means am i gaybashing airsoft, its fun and all but i would like for everyone to see it the way i do: They are both incredibly fun! regardless of how weapons look or anything!
    Gas blow back rifles are getting big in the airsoft world again, I do agree that AEG's sound shitty and if you are going for realism they're pretty bad. I just recently got one of these:

    Edited:

    and yeah i don't get the whole pain thing, since you are looking at it from a realism perspective, pain is completely irrelevant
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  4. Post #3524
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    Fish Muffin's Avatar
    January 2008
    7,525 Posts
    As for paintball being more realistic, have you ever seen a large scale milsim game? They are as realistic as it can get.
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  5. Post #3525
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    October 2011
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    I think airsoft wins pretty much hands-down, hence its ongoing replacement of paintball for training.
    What do you mean? this is new to me, like serously no sarcasm or anything

    And the pain aspect, well its tough to put into words, but the conscious knowing that getting hit will hurt, and even more so from a closer range, emulates into the subconscious to be more "serious" moving with more care, taking time to pick your next step, being stealthy.. ect... which creates this fear or caution when playing, its not that the "OH BOY! lewk gais i has bleedings" but more like, "ah he got me, i wasn't paying enough attention"
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  6. Post #3526
    No such thing as overkill.
    catbarf's Avatar
    January 2007
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    What do you mean? this is new to me, like serously no sarcasm or anything
    The US Army replaced paintball with airsoft a couple of years ago for training exercises, and many police, SWAT, and private security teams are following suit.

    Caution doesn't have to come from pain. Elimination or limited respawn rules do the same thing.
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  7. Post #3527
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    February 2009
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    You're coming into the airsoft subforum and trying to tell us that paintball is more realistic than airsoft. You ignored my idea of stopping the argument too; I'm quite glad you're posting in the airsoft idiots thread.

    Now let me destroy your argument bit by bit:
    1. Lots of rifles are very loud, Polarstars, GBB's, 40mm's, Tornado's, and many others. You used a JG and are judging everything else from that, not a good impression.
    2. 5bps is shitty and unrealistic. Assault rifles shoot significantly faster than that, saturation and suppression fire can't be rendered at 5bps. If you want semiautomatic, then have it semiautomatic.
    3. Pain doesn't even come into this. The amount of pain you get from being shot will never come close to a real gun, so don't try and compare the two. Paint and bruises is good for making sure everyone calls their hits, but that's all.
    4. The biggest issue with paintball is range, its terrible. With real guns, anything within 100m is considered close quarters, where standard engagement ranges are more than double that. Perhaps I'm looking in the wrong places, but I don't think I've seen a paintball gun shoot more than 50 feet before, whereas a basic airsoft gun is shooting around 150, with specialty systems hitting 300feet. You can't properly replicate combat with paintball gun range.
    5. Paintball guns shoot a .68 caliber projectile, which means all proportions for your guns are going to be ridiculously out of control compared to real steel. I like being able to put real parts onto my airsoft guns.

    Now leave it alone man, I agree that paintball can be fun, but it will never be as realistic as airsoft, and if you wanted realism, you should be using simunitions anyways.
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  8. Post #3528
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    December 2008
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    I've made a Marine wince and bruise with my airsoft gun and i'll never see a paintball gun do that.
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  9. Post #3529
    your all nerdes
    the_killer24's Avatar
    November 2007
    14,135 Posts
    its not painful if you dont get hit dohoho

    Edited:

    also airsoft m60 $350 paintball m60 $2500
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  10. Post #3530
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    October 2011
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    You're coming into the airsoft subforum and trying to tell us that paintball is more realistic than airsoft. You ignored my idea of stopping the argument too; I'm quite glad you're posting in the airsoft idiots thread.

    Now let me destroy your argument bit by bit:
    1. Lots of rifles are very loud, Polarstars, GBB's, 40mm's, Tornado's, and many others. You used a JG and are judging everything else from that, not a good impression.
    2. 5bps is shitty and unrealistic. Assault rifles shoot significantly faster than that, saturation and suppression fire can't be rendered at 5bps. If you want semiautomatic, then have it semiautomatic.
    3. Pain doesn't even come into this. The amount of pain you get from being shot will never come close to a real gun, so don't try and compare the two. Paint and bruises is good for making sure everyone calls their hits, but that's all.
    4. The biggest issue with paintball is range, its terrible. With real guns, anything within 100m is considered close quarters, where standard engagement ranges are more than double that. Perhaps I'm looking in the wrong places, but I don't think I've seen a paintball gun shoot more than 50 feet before, whereas a basic airsoft gun is shooting around 150, with specialty systems hitting 300feet. You can't properly replicate combat with paintball gun range.
    5. Paintball guns shoot a .68 caliber projectile, which means all proportions for your guns are going to be ridiculously out of control compared to real steel. I like being able to put real parts onto my airsoft guns.

    Now leave it alone man, I agree that paintball can be fun, but it will never be as realistic as airsoft, and if you wanted realism, you should be using simunitions anyways.
    And its exactly for this reason that i said in a couple of posts ago, if you can read, im not saying one is better than the other, im just trying to stop people like you from being so bias in this argument, and for the 50th time im not saying one is better than the other.
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  11. Post #3531
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    December 2008
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    And its exactly for this reason that i said in a couple of posts ago, if you can read, im not saying one is better than the other, im just trying to stop people like you from being so bias in this argument, and for the 50th time im not saying one is better than the other.
    Don't start the argument in the first place. You come into an Airsoft forum spreading your paintballer bullshit and expect us to take kindly to it. If we liked paintball this would be a paintball forum, not an airsoft forum.
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  12. Post #3532
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    October 2006
    12,420 Posts
    Don't start the argument in the first place. You come into an Airsoft forum spreading your paintballer bullshit and expect us to take kindly to it. If we liked paintball this would be a paintball forum, not an airsoft forum.
    don't be a dick, he's trying to be friendly
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  13. Post #3533
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    October 2006
    9,264 Posts
    Gas blow back rifles are getting big in the airsoft world again, I do agree that AEG's sound shitty and if you are going for realism they're pretty bad. I just recently got one of these:




    Edited:

    and yeah i don't get the whole pain thing, since you are looking at it from a realism perspective, pain is completely irrelevant
    Mmm GBBRs are the best in my opinion. There's just a certain power they have that I can't find in any AEG. Since I've been spoiled I probably will never own another AEG. Plus I always seemed to make each shot count with only a 31 round capacity in each mag; but boy does it feel good to power through that last shot, swap the magazine, and sling the bolt forward.


    most ebbr's cycle the bolt making a pretty distinct and loud metal clack
    Some GBBRs are actually getting very good at the blowback tech. My WE G39-C has a nice distinct feel when it's fired, and even a good bit of recoil; not enough to affect your shots too much, but it is noticeable. That and they do sound fairly realistic at a distance. From a good bit away a GBBR sounds very much like the sound of distant gunfire.
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  14. Post #3534
    NYES SSSS SSSS
    Kath's Avatar
    June 2007
    3,437 Posts
    Yeah i get that part of it, I mean i used to play airsoft like ages ago, but never as seriously as i play paintball, i had a JG 614 (a HK 416 look alike) but, and i don't mean to offend anyone here, but if you are with the right people, paintball can be really damn realistic, and in my opinion more so than airsoft, the whole metallic sound of the rifle when you depress your trigger cant be found on the same scale as in airsoft, i mean unless you have some super bad ass gas blow-back, that and the whole concept of shooting and getting shot at, the really realistic paintball guns dont push like 5bps, but one per each trigger pull where electric AEG's are really fast and sometimes annoying sounding, and as for getting shot at, well i know airsoft can hurt, but not on the same scale as paintball, when i was playing this past weekend, i got lit the fuck up, my entire left side is black and blue, and it only took like 5 shots, yeah blood was drawn, and i know that can happen with airsoft, but again not on the same level. but then again pain is all relative, so its all in the eye of the beholder,

    AND AGAIN by no means am i gaybashing airsoft, its fun and all but i would like for everyone to see it the way i do: They are both incredibly fun! regardless of how weapons look or anything!
    most ebbr's cycle the bolt making a pretty distinct and loud metal clack
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  15. Post #3535
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  16. Post #3536
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    notrabies's Avatar
    February 2009
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    And its exactly for this reason that i said in a couple of posts ago, if you can read, im not saying one is better than the other, im just trying to stop people like you from being so bias in this argument, and for the 50th time im not saying one is better than the other.
    I can indeed read thank you. My point is that if you're allowed to argue your points after we all said it wasn't going to be a smooth move, that I was going to counter with my points. Also, none of us are disagreeing that paintball can be fun, just that it can't be as realistic as airsoft, the system itself prevents it.
    Either way, I'm glad we all agree that shooting people is good, old fashioned fun.
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  17. Post #3537
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    November 2011
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    You come into an Garry's Mod forum in the Airsoft section under hobbies.

    Fixed that for you.
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  18. Post #3538
    About as smart and adept as a pile of turds
    oakman26's Avatar
    January 2010
    3,465 Posts
    Woah whos bredirish i remember hearing about him being here a long time ago is he some sort of airsoft forum legend or something
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  19. Post #3539
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    May 2010
    3,088 Posts
    GBBRs will never replace AEGs because of their inconsistencies with each shot, cost to purchase gas over charging in an electric outlet, and maintenance over time. I don't want to start any flame war over this, just my 2 cents.
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  20. Post #3540
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    October 2006
    12,420 Posts
    GBBRs will never replace AEGs because of their inconsistencies with each shot, cost to purchase gas over charging in an electric outlet, and maintenance over time. I don't want to start any flame war over this, just my 2 cents.
    GBBR's aren't made to replace AEG's
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  21. Post #3541
    YEAH, AND?
    felix the cat's Avatar
    December 2010
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    If they were being made to replace AEGs they would be alot more like the classic guns like Sun Project and Asahi, or like the Polar Star guns.
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  22. Post #3542
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    October 2006
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    yeah they're made for a set audience, mostly people who are collectors or those who want a bit more realism and don't mind the extra maintenance, not a gun for the casual airsofter
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  23. Post #3543
    YEAH, AND?
    felix the cat's Avatar
    December 2010
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    Some people like the idea of regularly maintaining them too - like myself
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  24. Post #3544
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    May 2010
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    Well I've heard around that GBBR's are the future of airsoft, and I humbly disagree.
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  25. Post #3545
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    October 2006
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    Woah whos bredirish i remember hearing about him being here a long time ago is he some sort of airsoft forum legend or something
    Haha I'm far from it. I used to regular here though a while back but I moved out of country and wasn't allowed to bring my gear/guns. I'm trying to frequent more but it's hard to when even though I'm motivated to play airsoft I can't exactly.

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    Well I've heard around that GBBR's are the future of airsoft, and I humbly disagree.
    Maybe the future of Milsim/Training, but for your casual airsofters nothing will change. I personally like GBBRs because some way down the line it incites better teamplay since each person is picking their shots more wisely. Each round counts, so if a squad member points out a target you'll be more motivated to take an accurate clean shot.
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  26. Post #3546
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    October 2006
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    Well I've heard around that GBBR's are the future of airsoft, and I humbly disagree.
    there's a good reason why airsoft companies evolved from gas to electric
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  27. Post #3547
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    venom's Avatar
    April 2005
    15,335 Posts
    as much as i love my GBBR, it has it's faults

    i love the realcaps though, would make it more interesting if people didn't have 90 rounds per mag and actually had to kind of aim their shots
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  28. Post #3548
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    December 2008
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    What are the inconsistencies that come with gas guns. My friend is planning to buy a GBBR M14 as a DMR platform or something. Is this a good idea?

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    most ebbr's cycle the bolt making a pretty distinct and loud metal clack
    Aren't EBBRs considered a poor gimmick? They just sap power from the battery to power something purely cosmetic.
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  29. Post #3549
    YEAH, AND?
    felix the cat's Avatar
    December 2010
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    gas guns can actually be quite consistent and effective if they're properly tuned. It also helps if you're using a good system though. Some of them *cough cough WE cough cough* are entirely hit or miss on how good it will be and how much you can do to improve it.
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  30. Post #3550
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    October 2006
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    What are the inconsistencies that come with gas guns. My friend is planning to buy a GBBR M14 as a DMR platform or something. Is this a good idea?

    Edited:



    Aren't EBBRs considered a poor gimmick? They just sap power from the battery to power something purely cosmetic.
    There are a few pros and cons. For example you do have to by silicone (If I remember right) as well as propane to fire the gun. The silicone keeps things well lubed so you don't break o-rings and such. This isn't usually much, but in most cases it's easier to maintain an AEG's battery. Another con is having to keep parts well cleaned and high functioning. I constantly was maintaining my gun to ensure perfect performance; in my eyes though I found it enjoyable. If you take weapons seriously you also tend to take maintenance just as serious.

    I still prefer them to AEGs; they sound much nicer, function nicer, (debatable because of maintenance) and the realistic mag caps make it easier to track your shots; plus you always know when the mag is dry because the bolt locks back. This means you don't do a lot of accidental dry firing (As with AEGs) that often happened to me in intense situations.
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  31. Post #3551
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    There are a few pros and cons. For example you do have to by silicone (If I remember right) as well as propane to fire the gun. The silicone keeps things well lubed so you don't break o-rings and such. This isn't usually much, but in most cases it's easier to maintain an AEG's battery. Another con is having to keep parts well cleaned and high functioning. I constantly was maintaining my gun to ensure perfect performance; in my eyes though I found it enjoyable. If you take weapons seriously you also tend to take maintenance just as serious.

    I still prefer them to AEGs; they sound much nicer, function nicer, (debatable because of maintenance) and the realistic mag caps make it easier to track your shots; plus you always know when the mag is dry because the bolt locks back. This means you don't do a lot of accidental dry firing (As with AEGs) that often happened to me in intense situations.
    don't forget you don't have to worry about the battery life, imo, its better to have a gun that will last for as much gas as you have rather than worrying about your battery dying and your gun jamming because battery is low
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  32. Post #3552
    your all nerdes
    the_killer24's Avatar
    November 2007
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    yeah instead of worrying about battery life you worry about gas running out/leaky mags/all the gas being expelled out the nozzle in one shot/etc!
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  33. Post #3553
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    November 2007
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    or you can buy another battery for probably less than a GBB mag
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  34. Post #3554
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  35. Post #3555
    GOSH FUDGING DARNIT
    Fish Muffin's Avatar
    January 2008
    7,525 Posts
    who are you
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  36. Post #3556
    Jherkin Gherkin
    Dennab
    October 2010
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    busta ass nigga
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  37. Post #3557
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    November 2011
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    or you can buy another battery for probably less than a GBB mag
    And I'm sure charging a battery is helluva lot cheaper than buying gas.
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  38. Post #3558
    No such thing as overkill.
    catbarf's Avatar
    January 2007
    7,995 Posts
    who are you
    Comments like these are exactly why people see this board as elitist and cliquey. If you disagree with someone or think they've posted something dumb, address the post, not the person who posted it or how long they've been here.
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  39. Post #3559
    GOSH FUDGING DARNIT
    Fish Muffin's Avatar
    January 2008
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    all i did was ask who he was
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  40. Post #3560
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    October 2006
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    yeah instead of worrying about battery life you worry about gas running out/leaky mags/all the gas being expelled out the nozzle in one shot/etc!
    That's not too big of a problem if you keep everything well lubed. That usually happens when the valve gets stuck open or isn't maintained properly. It has happened to me about all of 4 times in both my WE 1911 MEU and my WE G39-C. I had a leaky mag that I bought and simply disassembled it, lubed everything, and put it all back together nice and tight; never had a problem since.
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