1. Post #361
    Mr. Scorpio's Avatar
    May 2010
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    I'm talking about names with you, not war crimes. Stop trying to change the argument to avoid wrongness.

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    Documents obtained illegally cannot be used in court. These documents were obtained highly illegally.
    What.


    Are you from an english speaking country?

  2. Post #362
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    So are you conceding now or what
    "If". With my original argument saying there has been no rock solid evidence about any war crime brought forth from the imaginary stack of war crime documents.

  3. Post #363
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    July 2010
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    Don't be ridiculous. You're not talking to Ragy here, give me SOME credit.
    Ragy came later, and I give you tons more leeway in baseless claims than I give him, since you simply don't make baseless claims. It was ridiculous, I admit. I know there are names in the documents, I'm just not convinced that anything will happen to those people.

    So you were assuming.
    Well can you prove me wrong? That's what debates are for.

    I don't think he should be killed.
    Okay, I'm switching sides. Kill him, CIA.
    So this should be rated funny?

    Edited:

    the imaginary stack of war crime documents.
    Did you just doubt the existence of the documents

  4. Post #364
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    What.


    Are you from an english speaking country?
    Stop trying to derail it even more, you're wrong, get over it.

  5. Post #365
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    Oh hello page 1 welcome back
    Whoa what the hell did I miss

  6. Post #366
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    Did you just doubt the existence of the documents
    Yes, the imaginary stack of war crime documents. All full of war crimes.

  7. Post #367
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    Whoa what the hell did I miss
    Ragy says the documents don't exist and that life and universe is only a dream and that truth is subjective and that nothing is real

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    Yes, the imaginary stack of war crime documents. All full of war crimes.
    Why can't you be imaginary
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  8. Post #368
    Jsm
    "Belgium is pretty much a non-country"
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    There are tons of friendly fire incidents that went unreported in the media.
    Its war, things like that happen unfortunately. I guess that's the reason they don't get reported. They only seem to be reported if its the result of a huge cockup.

  9. Post #369
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    Yes, the imaginary stack of war crime documents.
    You know what, yes Ragy. YOu won.

    Yep, you're totally right. Why don't you go out and celebrate?

  10. Post #370
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    Ragy says the documents don't exist and that life and universe is only a dream and that truth is subjective and that nothing is real
    Oh god.

  11. Post #371
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    Oh god.
    I'm sorry I ever doubted you Ragy. You're right, there are no documents.

  12. Post #372
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    You know what, yes Ragy. YOu won.

    Yep, you're totally right. Why don't you go out and celebrate?
    I will, thank you.

  13. Post #373
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    I'm sorry I ever doubted you Ragy. You're right, there are no documents.
    Der Spiegal and the New York Times are uncredited papers run by lying hobos.

    I'm sorry we ever thought otherwise.

  14. Post #374
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    I'm sorry I ever doubted you Ragy. You're right, there are no documents.
    My point has been proven and now you're making sarcastic comments trying to push your failed argument forward.

  15. Post #375
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    Der Spiegal and the New York Times are uncredited papers run by lying hobos.
    Never heard of either of those sources before, not sure why I made up those two names. They don't exist, I admit.

    Bah, foiled by nihilism once again

  16. Post #376
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    Ragy is raging because nobody likes him.

    I judged him by 5 posts, and he IS an asshole and a moron.

  17. Post #377
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    My point has been proven and now you're making sarcastic comments to try to pushing your failed argument forward.
    No Ragy, really. The documents released don't exist. No one's read them because that would be impossible, and no one knows what's in them.

  18. Post #378
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    My point has been proven and now you're making sarcastic comments trying to push your failed argument forward.
    "My failed argument"?

    Your entire argument was that two+ respected news organizations are making things up and that the documents they cite don't say what they say they do.

  19. Post #379
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    Der Spiegal and the New York Times are uncredited papers run by lying hobos.

    I'm sorry we ever thought otherwise.
    Calling them lying is not what I'm saying and yet you're pulling stuff from no where. There is no evidence of these "war crimes" they claim there to be.

  20. Post #380
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    "My failed argument"?

    Your entire argument was that two+ respected news organizations are making things up and that the documents they cite don't say what they say they do.
    What do you mean respected? They didn't have any data at all.

  21. Post #381
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    There is no evidence of these "war crimes" they claim there to be.
    So the fact that people have read about them in the documents doesn't matter because YOU haven't read about them?

  22. Post #382
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    My point has been proven and now you're making sarcastic comments trying to push your failed argument forward.
    what point did you prove? that you're an ignorant imbecile? because you did a good job proving that one.

    if you're so absolutely sure the documents contain literally nothing then read it yourself. or is wikileaks completely lying about the documents for no real reason?

  23. Post #383
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    "My failed argument"?

    Your entire argument was that two+ respected news organizations are making things up and that the documents they cite don't say what they say they do.
    They cite the documents, not any real evidence. That's like citing the Bible and saying God is real.
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  24. Post #384
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    What do you mean respected? They didn't have any data at all.
    You don't exist either, I'm dreaming right now

    Edited:

    They cite the documents, not any real evidence. That's like citing the Bible and saying God is real.
    So now you doubt the veracity of the leak?

    You're a debating shotgun. You spray arguments all over and when nothing hits you spray some more.

  25. Post #385
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    So the fact that people have read about them in the documents doesn't matter because YOU haven't read about them?
    Why would I read them? All I'm saying is you're believing in these war crimes which have no backbone.

  26. Post #386
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    What a horrible thread.

  27. Post #387
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    They cite the documents, not any real evidence. That's like citing the Bible and saying God is real.
    so the documents themselves (which are actual commissioned reports from the fucking government) are not credible? or does the military just make shit up about itself?

  28. Post #388
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    They cite the documents, not any real evidence. That's like citing the Bible and saying God is real.
    So you doubt the veracity of the events depicted in the reports, but not the names of the people in the events depicted in the reports, is that it?

  29. Post #389
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    Why would I read them? All I'm saying is you're believing in these war crimes which have no backbone.
    The backbone is the documents. What do you fail to understand here?

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    So you doubt the veracity of the events depicted in the reports, but not the names of the people in the events depicted in the reports, is that it?
    He doesn't know what he knows.

  30. Post #390

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    What a horrible thread.
    yep and what horrible people trying to hold back the truth
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  31. Post #391
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    Why would I read them? All I'm saying is you're believing in these war crimes which have no backbone.
    You can't be a native english speaker.

  32. Post #392
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    You're a debating shotgun. You spray arguments all over and when nothing hits you spray some more.
    Please counter-argue my arguments without throwing insults. You somehow believe fiction stories are true.

  33. Post #393
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    Please counter-argue my arguments without throwing insults. You somehow believe fiction stories are true.
    oh so the documents are fiction


    good, so they put absolutely no one at risk because they're not true : D

  34. Post #394
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    Please counter-argue my arguments without throwing insults. You somehow believe fiction stories are true.
    prove those names are real.

  35. Post #395
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    The backbone is the documents. What do you fail to understand here?
    Again, they say. I have yet to see any document about any war crime.

  36. Post #396
    Mr. Scorpio's Avatar
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    Again, they say. I have yet to see any document about any war crime.
    Will you read the documents?

  37. Post #397
    Jsm
    "Belgium is pretty much a non-country"
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    They cite the documents, not any real evidence. That's like citing the Bible and saying God is real.
    That's some great logic. The bible is a book which could easily be bullshit and not a true account of what took place. These documents are reports which have been (indirectly) authenticated by the US government. The things contained in these documents is the truth (assuming the people filing the reports are accurate).
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  38. Post #398
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    prove those names are real.
    You obviously didn't read the thread, because I stated three times that Wikileaks said they were pulling names out. That means there are names. Hurr.

  39. Post #399
    Jsm
    "Belgium is pretty much a non-country"
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    Documents obtained illegally cannot be used in court. These documents were obtained highly illegally.
    The real documents could be forced into the public domain by a court using a subpoena.
    Or just someone doing a simple FoI request (its apparently a lot easier to do a FoI request when you now the exact file name of the document in question...)

  40. Post #400
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    You obviously didn't read the thread, because I stated three times that Wikileaks said they were pulling names out.
    THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE

    YOU ARE NOT FOLLOWING YOUR OWN RULES

    YOu can't say that what wikileaks says about the documents is true and persist in saying that they're fictional! That is impossible!