1. Post #121

    December 2007
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    Would this go on sale for black friday?

    http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Asus+-+L...&skuId=1257181
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  2. Post #122
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    Dennab
    June 2009
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    Why the hell did my school buy 62 of these http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/p...284&redirect=1
    What a fucking waste for pc's with integrated chips and vga...
    :wtc:

    That's one of the most high end monitors available...
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  3. Post #123
    Dennab
    October 2010
    12,254 Posts
    Mkay started PC in the morning at 9:00 clock, went to school at 10:10 got out and the sound was horribly distorted (judging by spotify music) anyway replugged and now it works

    but i got these 70euro siberian motherfucking headphones so what might be it. hope it never happens again
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  4. Post #124
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    February 2008
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    It is has been such a long time since I've kept up to date with everything. Is there any website or help guide that could aid in helping to refresh my memory and keeping up to date with new consumer hardware and software?
    As it is I'm already doing my research, but any help would be grand.

    Edited:

    Also another quick question. Can a PCI-Express 2.1 x16 video card run in a regular PCI-Express x16 motherboard? If so how much of a difference would there be?
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  5. Post #125
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    November 2008
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    Also another quick question. Can a PCI-Express 2.1 x16 video card run in a regular PCI-Express x16 motherboard? If so how much of a difference would there be?
    a regular PCI-E express x16 is like a PCI-E 2.0 x8 slot
    there was an article on toms hardware or something where they tested a 480 in different slots, IIRC in x8 there was a 2% difference compared to x16

    so basically barely any difference, at least with the cards we have now
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  6. Post #126
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    February 2008
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    a regular PCI-E express x16 is like a PCI-E 2.0 x8 slot
    there was an article on toms hardware or something where they tested a 480 in different slots, IIRC in x8 there was a 2% difference compared to x16

    so basically barely any difference, at least with the cards we have now
    Ah ok. I was possibly considering a video card upgrade (from my current 9800GTX to a HD 6870) within the near future. With a small difference like that I imagine it'd be much more efficient (especially cost-wise) instead of doing a full PC upgrade.
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  7. Post #127
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    January 2010
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    What is the best video card for $250?
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  8. Post #128
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    November 2008
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    What is the best video card for $250?
    GTX 470 or 6870, pick.
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  9. Post #129
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    March 2008
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    This problem has actually bothered me for a while, but I didn't want to make a thread.
    The problems is, when I basicly do anything, windows wants to install something called Airplus G. So I let it run, but then after that a window comes up saying AirPlus G.msi is missing. I've tried searching for it, but it isn't to be found anywhere. How can I get rid of it?
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  10. Post #130
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    October 2010
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    Can someone suggest a laptop for 300 in the UK?
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  11. Post #131
    B1N4RY!'s Avatar
    September 2009
    15,255 Posts
    Can someone suggest a laptop for 300 in the UK?
    Lenovo G560 might be suitable
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  12. Post #132
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    January 2008
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    6870 is a mid-range card, and does not perform as well as the 5870
    Fixed that for you.
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  13. Post #133
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    February 2008
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    Fixed that for you.
    Wait did ATI change it's naming scheme? I generally would've considered a 6870 to be better than a 5870.
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  14. Post #134
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    October 2007
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    Wait did ATI change it's naming scheme? I generally would've considered a 6870 to be better than a 5870.
    Yeah the naming scheme is whack now. 6870<5870
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  15. Post #135
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    January 2009
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    Yeah the naming scheme is whack now. 6870<5870
    :psyduck:
    So what's the new equivalent of a 5870?
    6970?
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  16. Post #136
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    September 2009
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    :psyduck:
    So what's the new equivalent of a 5870?
    6970?
    At the moment, there isn't one.
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  17. Post #137
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    January 2010
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    :psyduck:
    So what's the new equivalent of a 5870?
    6970?
    I would presume so maybe even better because the 6870 is just under the 5870 in performance, if one ever comes out that is.
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  18. Post #138
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    software question here: What 3d modeling program is most popular with video game development nowadays? I just want to know what is worth learning and what isn't.
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  19. Post #139
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    September 2009
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    software question here: What 3d modeling program is most popular with video game development nowadays? I just want to know what is worth learning and what isn't.
    Maya and 3DMax I think
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  20. Post #140
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    August 2005
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    Maya and 3DMax I think
    That was my guess, but I don't know which would be better to learn first if I am even going to learn both
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  21. Post #141
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    August 2008
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    Why the hell did my school buy 62 of these http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/p...284&redirect=1
    What a fucking waste for pc's with integrated chips and vga...
    62? Why?
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  22. Post #142
    Flubascrub
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    August 2009
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    What is the difference between MSAA, QSAA, and CSAA Antialiasing? I only have MSAA and CSAA on my laptop, so which one has the best performance/quality ratio?
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  23. Post #143
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    September 2009
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    What is the difference between MSAA, QSAA, and CSAA Antialiasing? I only have MSAA and CSAA on my laptop, so which one has the best performance/quality ratio?
    MSAA = Multi-Sampled Anti-Aliasing, this is supported on both ATI and Nvidia hardware and has long been the default standard AA method for games, instead of taking 4 colour samples from each pixel in the original image, only one is taken, though still 4 colour values (Z samples) are stored in memory. Thus, MSAA is far less costly than SSAA as far as fillrate is concerned, however as four colour values are stored in memory the bandwidth and memory requirements remain the same. Now this is all hunky dory when a scene only contains geometric objects, but as is very common these days most scenes contain alpha textures. When alpha textures are used in a scene and MSAA is used, you can get adverse effects and artifacts. To solve those issues there are other forms of AA like TAA.



    When you get to 8x and 16x MSAA, performance setbacks are very very severe and little return is made. For example, at 16xMSAA, 16 colour/Z samples are stored for every single pixel. This is essentially impossible today, even on modern graphics cards. As such an alternative is needed, this is where CSAA comes in.

    CSAA = Coverage Sample Anti-Aliasing. This is found only on recent nvidia graphics cards (from the GeForce 8 series onwards, AMD has their own version of CSAA that is essentially the same thing). CSAA takes only 1 colour sample per pixel, the same as MSAA. The benefit to CSAA is that, as the coverage samples grow to 8x and 16x, instead of storing 8/16 colour/Z samples per pixel, only 4 are taken. This dramatically reduces bandwidth and memory requirements over MSAA.

    Thus, at 16xAA, CSAA has a similar quality to MSAA but is far cheaper.

    Now, 16xQ CSAA is the same as CSAA except 8 colour samples are taken from each pixel instead of 4 as in standard CSAA or 16 as in MSAA. As such it is of higher quality than regular 16x CSAA.

    So, as per your question:
    8xMSAA will take one colour sample and will store 8 values, and has a sample coverage of 8 (hence the 8x).
    16x CSAA will take one colour sample, store 4 values and has a sample coverage of 16.
    16xQ CSAA will take one colour sample, store 8 values and has a sample coverage of 16.

    So, in conclusion, if you can use it, and your computer is capable of it, use the 16xQ CSAA.
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  24. Post #144
    Flubascrub
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    August 2009
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    So from what I can tell, 8x CSAA is better than 2x MSAA, and 16xQ CSAA is equal to 8x MSAA in terms of performance, but it gets higher quality?

    Thanks for clarifying that up.

    One more thing, it seems like Anisotropic filtering has around 0% impact on performance. Even on 16x, my FPS barely budges. Is that supposed to happen?
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  25. Post #145
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    November 2008
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    In a 1000$ build for a friend, 1GB HD 6870 or 1GB GTX 460?
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  26. Post #146
    Flubascrub
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    August 2009
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    In a 1000$ build for a friend, 1GB HD 6870 or 1GB GTX 460?
    The 6870 seems to do better in most benchmarks.
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  27. Post #147
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    November 2008
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    The 6870 seems to do better in most benchmarks.
    Allright.
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  28. Post #148
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    November 2008
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    How did you manage only a 460 in a thousand dollar build?
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  29. Post #149
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    March 2010
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    Why the hell did my school buy 62 of these http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/p...284&redirect=1
    What a fucking waste for pc's with integrated chips and vga...
    If the old ones are flatscreen, Send me two old ones :) I want more screens.
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  30. Post #150
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    November 2008
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    How did you manage only a 460 in a thousand dollar build?
    That was pretty much the best I could manage, due to some of his requirements.
    Now I did try to save money on everything I could (This does not mean I put a shitty PSU in there), but I couldn't get more money for a GPU than that.

    Oh, and here's a list of the main reasons:

    1 - I live in Norway. Things are expensive here. (In example; PS3 was 1000USD at launch, games cost 110USD retail when they're new)
    2 - He wanted a specific case (Flashy, has a handle) and a wireless network card.
    3 - He wanted 8GBs of RAM. (Server?)
    4 - 750W PSU due to possible upgrades.

    Will optimise it now due to the CM Storm Scout suddenly being sold for half the price.
    Maybe I can put a better GPU in there now.

    Edited:

    Woo, 5870.

    Edited:

    http://www.komplett.no/k/shoplist.as...8-63272E77E08F

    Here's the list of parts, you guys are probably a whole lot smarter than me so feel free to come with ideas.
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  31. Post #151
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    October 2010
    954 Posts
    Why not get a beige case and put lights on it and screw on a door handle?

    Edited:

    It will flash and have a handle.
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  32. Post #152
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    April 2010
    2,547 Posts
    software question here: What 3d modeling program is most popular with video game development nowadays? I just want to know what is worth learning and what isn't.
    If you like free programs, Blender is excellent.

    Its learning curve is like England's cliffs, though. If you want to learn something, learn Maya or 3D Studio Max because that's the mainstream.
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  33. Post #153
    Flubascrub
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    August 2009
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    That was pretty much the best I could manage, due to some of his requirements.
    Now I did try to save money on everything I could (This does not mean I put a shitty PSU in there), but I couldn't get more money for a GPU than that.

    Oh, and here's a list of the main reasons:

    1 - I live in Norway. Things are expensive here. (In example; PS3 was 1000USD at launch, games cost 110USD retail when they're new)
    2 - He wanted a specific case (Flashy, has a handle) and a wireless network card.
    3 - He wanted 8GBs of RAM. (Server?)
    4 - 750W PSU due to possible upgrades.

    Will optimise it now due to the CM Storm Scout suddenly being sold for half the price.
    Maybe I can put a better GPU in there now.

    Edited:

    Woo, 5870.

    Edited:

    http://www.komplett.no/k/shoplist.as...8-63272E77E08F

    Here's the list of parts, you guys are probably a whole lot smarter than me so feel free to come with ideas.
    The 6870 is a lower price than the 5870, with minimal setbacks in performance.

    Edited:

    If you like free programs, Blender is excellent.

    Its learning curve is like England's cliffs, though. If you want to learn something, learn Maya or 3D Studio Max because that's the mainstream.
    What? I thought 3DS max was MUCH harder than Blender?
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  34. Post #154
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    I am not entirely new to 3d modeling, I have just been out of the scene for a few years. I just wanted to know which was more used these days
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  35. Post #155
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    March 2010
    225 Posts
    How come www.facebook.com is blocked at school, but www.www.www.www.facebook.com is not? I'd imagine they'd block anything with 'Facebook' in the address.
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  36. Post #156
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    December 2009
    2,975 Posts
    Your IT department has obviously never heard of the almight wildcard.
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  37. Post #157
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    September 2008
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    Can I move the stuff I have on my user account to another user account?
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  38. Post #158
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    November 2008
    9,470 Posts
    How long exactly is the Sapphire Radeon HD 5870?

    In centimeters please.
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  39. Post #159
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    August 2005
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    if it is the same size as this one:


    Then it is 12 inches (30 cm)
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  40. Post #160
    Flubascrub
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    August 2009
    10,528 Posts
    Wait, why are there multiple graphics cards. Isn't it just Nvidia GeForce GTX 460? What is an EVGA GTX 460? Asus GTX 460? Sparkle GTX 460?

    What is the difference?
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