1. Post #481
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    June 2008
    1,243 Posts
    You shouldn't rely on internet browser os, my game is gonna be played by gamers after all and not by some facebook users.
    FWIW, I use Windows only for games, and I still use XP. Not out of any belief that 7 sucks, but because XP still works well enough for that purpose (most games still use DX9) so I haven't been motivated to go to the expense and trouble of upgrading.
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  2. Post #482
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    February 2007
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    Vista never 'failed epically'. I ran the one install from December 07 to March 10 when I upgraded to 7.

    The common misconception that Vista was terrible is a result of the shonky journalism of moronic 'tech writers' that don't deserve their own job title.
    I used Vista for a month and I hated it.
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  3. Post #483
    Combino's Avatar
    December 2010
    217 Posts
    Im using vista right now, and im pretty sure its awful.
    In what way?

    Edited:

    I used Vista for a month and I hated it.
    What did you hate about it?
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  4. Post #484
    www.bff-hab.de
    Dennab
    February 2009
    7,832 Posts
    What did you hate about it?
    Stop it already!

    It sucks, deal with it.
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  5. Post #485
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    May 2007
    2,914 Posts
    I am using vista on my laptop, I don't see the problem.

    Edited:

    Stop it already!

    It sucks, deal with it.
    Why does it suck?
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  6. Post #486
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    April 2010
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    In what way?

    Edited:


    What did you hate about it?
    Well, its slow for a starter. Then it eats all your memory, takes up not an insignificant amount of harddrive space, decides its a good idea to start loading all of your programs into memory when you boot, indexes everything while you're "idle" (using the computer that is), goes "ARE YOU SURE" everytime you do anything, and constantly harasses you if you dont have the security options quite the way they like.
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  7. Post #487
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    December 2010
    217 Posts
    Well, its slow for a starter. Then it eats all your memory, takes up not an insignificant amount of harddrive space, decides its a good idea to start loading all of your programs into memory when you boot, indexes everything while you're "idle" (using the computer that is), goes "ARE YOU SURE" everytime you do anything, and constantly harasses you if you dont have the security options quite the way they like.
    So when Linux requires that you sudo all he time, everyone praises it, but when Windows does the same: "OH MY GOD THAT'S SHIT VISTA SUCKS!!!1"

    Edited:

    Also, you do realize that unused RAM is wasted, so the OS is caching stuff to improve performance?
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  8. Post #488
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    So when Linux requires that you sudo all he time, everyone praises it, but when Windows does the same: "OH MY GOD THAT'S SHIT VISTA SUCKS!!!1"
    The bar to sudoing is considerably higher and you shouldn't treat them as parallels because they accomplish different things - if you can't stand it, though, you're perfectly allowed to edit the sudoers.
    At least sudoing isn't modal.

    (d-railed)
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  9. Post #489
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    December 2010
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    And you are aware that you can turn off the indexing and adjust startup programs?

    Edited:

    The bar to sudoing is considerably higher - if you can't stand it, though, you're perfectly allowed to edit the sudoers.
    At least sudoing isn't modal, though.
    You need to sudo to make system level changes. You need to elevate through UAC to make system level changes.

    I really don't see the problem here
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  10. Post #490
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    There's also the fact that UAC can be turned off. I'm not sure why there was a wankfest over Windows 7; it hasn't changed that much.
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  11. Post #491
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    April 2010
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    So when Linux requires that you sudo all he time, everyone praises it, but when Windows does the same: "OH MY GOD THAT'S SHIT VISTA SUCKS!!!1"

    Edited:

    Also, you do realize that unused RAM is wasted, so the OS is caching stuff to improve performance?
    Well, with something like linux, if you dont like the way the distro does something, you can be pretty sure someone else doesnt as well, and has already released a mod for it to change it

    And while im aware that unused ram is wasted, it om nom noms my harddrives capacity to load so everything goes as slowly as shite if i have it turned on, for a while after my computer turns on

    Content: some awesome snowy ground noise texture

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  12. Post #492
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    July 2007
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    You need to sudo to make system level changes. You need to elevate through UAC to make system level changes.

    I really don't see the problem here
    Elevating through UAC is modal and intrusive (and for some reason disables DWM while active, giving some 2 seconds of lag before and after). Sudoing is done at the start and applies throughout a process' lifetime and if one needs to do multiple changes there is su.
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  13. Post #493
    Combino's Avatar
    December 2010
    217 Posts
    Elevating through UAC is modal and intrusive (and for some reason disables DWM while active, giving some 2 seconds of lag before and after). Sudoing is done at the start and applies throughout a process' lifetime and if one needs to do multiple changes there is su.
    Elevating can occur at any point, and lasts until the process exits or uses the Windows equivalent of setuid().

    And for multiple things, you can elevate a command prompt or even explorer.exe.

    So it's really not all that different.

    Edited:

    Well, with something like linux, if you dont like the way the distro does something, you can be pretty sure someone else doesnt as well, and has already released a mod for it to change it

    And while im aware that unused ram is wasted, it om nom noms my harddrives capacity to load so everything goes as slowly as shite if i have it turned on, for a while after my computer turns on
    Really now, if you don't like SuperFetch theres nothing wrong with switching it off.

    All these problems sound like PEBKAC errors to me.
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  14. Post #494
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    July 2007
    6,267 Posts
    -snop-

    Edited:

    I concede, then. I must conclude UAC isn't bad in concept but simply annoying when alerting.
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  15. Post #495
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    Well, its slow for a starter.
    Runs about the same as 7 for me.

    Then it eats all your memory,
    Unused memory is wasted memory. There's nothing wrong with higher memory usage. It scales based on how much your computer has.

    takes up not an insignificant amount of harddrive space,
    7 takes up more AFAIK and nobody's complaining about that. Besides, a year ago I bought an OEM Seagate Barracuda 500GB for 35 and it's a pretty damn fast drive. Space is extremely cheap.

    decides its a good idea to start loading all of your programs into memory when you boot,
    It doesn't load all of your programs. It loads ones which need to run because they have put themselves in startup, and it uses memory efficiently by loading in more frequently used programs. It only does this when the memory is available.

    indexes everything while you're "idle" (using the computer that is),
    That's what makes the start menu search so fast. Going back to XP I feel lost without it. You can turn this off, not that it causes any kind of noticeable performance impact.
    Again, this is in 7 also.


    goes "ARE YOU SURE" everytime you do anything,
    It's called UAC and you can turn it off. Again, it exists in 7 also and everyone seems to love 7.

    and constantly harasses you if you dont have the security options quite the way they like.
    Uh no. Even if you have no antivirus or firewall installed or active, the most it does is display a small tooltip in the bottom right, which again, 7 does too.
    My responses in bold.
    Essentially, everyones positive response to 7 was stupid in my opinion, because other than a few release performance problems and bugs, Vista was pretty much the same, minus a few UI tweaks.

    People who complained Vista was slow piss me off too. Once the initial performance issues were fixed, it ran fine. It needed greater specs than XP but who cares? XP was released in 2001, and anyone expecting an OS released in 2006 to require the same resources is an idiot.
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  16. Post #496
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    April 2010
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    - snip -
    I know, i have switched it off

    The thing is, im not particularly a fan of an operating system where to make it useful, you have to spend a while digging around the options trying to make it not awful. Its why i dont use linux either to be honest. I did for a while, and then had enough of having to mess with everything

    Still, vista is not fast. I had the RC for windows 7, and its about a trillion times better
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  17. Post #497
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    June 2006
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    "Trillion times better": Switching certain options off by default and reskinning the OS.
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  18. Post #498
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    April 2010
    2,312 Posts
    My responses in bold.
    Essentially, everyones positive response to 7 was stupid in my opinion, because other than a few release performance problems and bugs, Vista was pretty much the same, minus a few UI tweaks.

    People who complained Vista was slow piss me off too. Once the initial performance issues were fixed, it ran fine. It needed greater specs than XP but who cares? XP was released in 2001, and anyone expecting an OS released in 2006 to require the same resources is an idiot.
    It runs nowhere near as fast as seven for me, when i was using the release candidate it was much more nippy that vista

    By eats all your memory, i mean as in the operating system itself literally takes up more memory itself, rather than caching programs

    Well, the thing with windows 7 is, it takes up more space but always seemed much more useful than vista, so it didnt bug me so much. And apparently i have exactly the same harddrive as you :3

    By load all your programs, i mean superfetch not startup. Until i disabled, it was consistently using up a lot of my harddrive's cycles, while i was trying to do other things

    Well, i have turned off indexing. And uac.

    The thing with seven is, it makes up for being annoying by actually working properly?

    Edited:

    "Trillion times better": Switching certain options off by default and reskinning the OS.
    There was a small amount of exaggeration there, but windows 7 just didnt get on my nerves as much as vista does.
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  19. Post #499
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    I know, i have switched it off

    The thing is, im not particularly a fan of an operating system where to make it useful, you have to spend a while digging around the options trying to make it not awful. Its why i dont use linux either to be honest. I did for a while, and then had enough of having to mess with everything

    Still, vista is not fast. I had the RC for windows 7, and its about a trillion times better
    About "a trillion" benchmarks will show you that they are pretty much equal in performance. Some tests actually favour Vista in fact.
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  20. Post #500
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    Vista brought new technologies to the table. 7 made them more user-friendly, but I have no doubt that you could tweak Vista to get equal, if not better, performance than a stock install of 7.

    EDIT: And like Jallen said, in some cases it's faster at stock.
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  21. Post #501
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    It runs nowhere near as fast as seven for me, when i was using the release candidate it was much more nippy that vista

    By eats all your memory, i mean as in the operating system itself literally takes up more memory itself, rather than caching programs

    Well, the thing with windows 7 is, it takes up more space but always seemed much more useful than vista, so it didnt bug me so much. And apparently i have exactly the same harddrive as you :3

    By load all your programs, i mean superfetch not startup. Until i disabled, it was consistently using up a lot of my harddrive's cycles, while i was trying to do other things

    Well, i have turned off indexing. And uac.

    The thing with seven is, it makes up for being annoying by actually working properly?

    Edited:



    There was a small amount of exaggeration there, but windows 7 just didnt get on my nerves as much as vista does.
    So basically your main argument of the post is a subjective statement.

    edit: I'm going to stop now. IMO Vista is pretty much equal to 7 except for UI tweaks and 7 is overhyped. But it's best to get back to actual WAYWO.
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  22. Post #502
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    -snip-
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  23. Post #503
    www.bff-hab.de
    Dennab
    February 2009
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    Everything below this line is the "Vista vs. 7 vs. XP"- free zone
    ------------------------------------------------------------

    So what are you working on?
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  24. Post #504
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    December 2010
    217 Posts
    By eats all your memory, i mean as in the operating system itself literally takes up more memory itself, rather than caching programs
    Yes... that's the caching. What, do you expect the OS to use magic memory?

    Well, the thing with windows 7 is, it takes up more space but always seemed much more useful than vista, so it didnt bug me so much. And apparently i have exactly the same harddrive as you :3
    Key word is seem. it's in your mind, buddy.

    By load all your programs, i mean superfetch not startup. Until i disabled, it was consistently using up a lot of my harddrive's cycles, while i was trying to do other things
    oh no~! what if u run out of cycles?!?!?

    Well, i have turned off indexing. And uac.
    Cool, have fun getting rooted by the next zero day that hits whatever browser you use. UAC keeps you safe from this kind of thing.

    The thing with seven is, it makes up for being annoying by actually working properly?
    s/working properly/bigger window title and different task bar/;
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  25. Post #505
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    Yes... that's the caching. What, do you expect the OS to use magic memory?
    Key word is seem. it's in your mind, buddy.
    oh no~! what if u run out of cycles?!?!?
    Cool, have fun getting rooted by the next zero day that hits whatever browser you use. UAC keeps you safe from this kind of thing.
    s/working properly/bigger window title and different task bar/;

    You've crossed the line here!
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  26. Post #506
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    April 2008
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    I am writing a really simplistic GUI library for Win32. It's kindof annoying to have to write a WndProc and handmake a GUI for every application, so instead of having doing all that, you can just do stuff like

    int btnclick(CGArticle* btn, CGEventHandlerArg arg) {
    	MessageBox(NULL, "hi", "hi", NULL);
    
    	return 0;
    }
    
    int CALLBACK WinMain(HINSTANCE hInstance, HINSTANCE hPrevInstance, LPSTR lpCmdLine, int nCmdShow) {	
    	CGWindow wnd;
    	wnd.Show();
    	wnd.SetTitle("Hello WAYWO");
    	wnd.SetSize(400, 400);
    	wnd.Center();
    
    	CGListBox lb(&wnd, CGListBoxStyles::MultipleSelect);
    	lb.Center();
    	lb.AddItem("List");
    	lb.AddItem("Box");
    
    	CGRectangle rect = lb.GetDimensions();
    
    	CGButton btn(&wnd);
    	btn.Show();
    	btn.SetPos(rect.x, rect.y - 30);
    	btn.SetText("A button");
    	btn.OnClick = btnclick;
    
    	CGEdit ed(&wnd);
    	ed.SetPos(rect.x, rect.y + rect.height + 5);
    	ed.SetSize(rect.width, 20);
    	ed.Show();
    
    	while(CGULL::ProcessMessages());
    
    	return 0;
    }
    

    Which would yield



    Working on ListView right now, which is kindof hard with all the stuff you can do with it. It's also hard to create satisfactory abstractions which take away enough complexity so that it's preferable to use rather than hand coding. Like for instance, for an Image class, should each instance have it's own ImageList, or should you have one big ImageList for all the objects and just store their offset, or what?
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  27. Post #507
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    July 2008
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    Bekka fixed attachments being removed properly when you dig a block:


    I'm taking a little break at the moment.
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  28. Post #508
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    December 2008
    271 Posts
    Content: some awesome snowy ground noise texture

    :psypop: Soo fucking trippy
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  29. Post #509
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    April 2010
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    Yes... that's the caching. What, do you expect the OS to use magic memory?
    No, i expected it to try and be more memory efficient

    Key word is seem. it's in your mind, buddy.
    Well, that makes it better for me then, no?

    oh no~! what if u run out of cycles?!?!?
    If you are using all of the read/write cycles per second that your harddrive can actually handle, its not going to do be able to do anything more. How is it stupid of me to want to be able to load up programs without something eating my speeds?


    Cool, have fun getting rooted by the next zero day that hits whatever browser you use. UAC keeps you safe from this kind of thing.
    Pretty sure thats what my AV does actually

    s/working properly/bigger window title and different task bar/;
    This is my opinion, so it seems fairly pointless to argue about it? things that bug you are not going to bug me so much, and vica versa
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  30. Post #510
    Combino's Avatar
    December 2010
    217 Posts
    This is my opinion, so it seems fairly pointless to argue about it? things that bug you are not going to bug me so much, and vica versa
    Your responses demonstrate your ineptitude.

    Efficient use of RAM is to use every single byte of it and use what isn't being used by applications to cache data.

    Also, only a handful of AVs are able to protect you against zero-days, and even then it's extremely hit and miss.
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  31. Post #511
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    December 2007
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    Cool, have fun getting rooted by the next zero day that hits whatever browser you use. UAC keeps you safe from this kind of thing.
    I'm on your side here, but I don't use UAC and I don't feel particularly exposed. I'm just using the Windows 7 default firewall with Avast Antivirus, with noscript in firefox to stop pesky scripts from running unless I let them. Would you say I'm exposed?

    I can't stand the constant "Continue" clicking.
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  32. Post #512
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    April 2010
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    Your responses demonstrate your ineptitude.

    Efficient use of RAM is to use every single byte of it and use what isn't being used by applications to cache data.

    Also, only a handful of AVs are able to protect you against zero-days, and even then it's extremely hit and miss.
    I know that, but its using up the memory at the expense of being able to use my harddrive as quickly.

    Im fairly sure that comodo, with its sandboxing, is quite good at keeping me safe.
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  33. Post #513
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    December 2008
    271 Posts
    Shouldn't we drop the OS war and get back to the thread?
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  34. Post #514
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    December 2010
    217 Posts
    I'm on your side here, but I don't use UAC and I don't feel particularly exposed. I'm just using the Windows 7 default firewall with Avast Antivirus, with noscript in firefox to stop pesky scripts from running unless I let them. Would you say I'm exposed?
    You're unnecessarily exposed.

    If a website was able to exploit a flaw in Firefox that didn't rely on JS (similar to the recent IE CSS exploit) and execute shellcode, you're as good as gone.

    If you're running 32 bit, you're out of luck as malware can patch your kernel to install a rootkit. Even on 64 bit, when UAC is turned off, you're letting any process you run install drivers. That's really bad if an exploit appears for anything you run.

    I can't stand the constant "Continue" clicking.
    You're doing it wrong. The only time I had to click continue all that much was installing drivers after a fresh install.
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  35. Post #515
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    April 2010
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    Im messing around with my noise trying to see what kinds of terrain its good for. Im thinking of trying to eventually base a 2d top down exploration game based on things generated by my noise. Hows that for lava?

    *sigh* and you said i was showing my ineptitude
    Vista and seven 64 bit will both refuse to run unsigned drivers, unless you put your system into testsigning mode, in which case you probably know what you're doing somewhat
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  36. Post #516
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    December 2008
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    Im messing around with my noise trying to see what kinds of terrain its good for. Im thinking of trying to eventually base a 2d top down exploration game based on things generated by my noise. Hows that for lava?
    A bit more orange here and there maybe? like in the grass one with snow
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  37. Post #517
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    December 2010
    217 Posts
    Im fairly sure that comodo, with its sandboxing, is quite good at keeping me safe.
    I just looked into Comodo's sandboxing and it turns out that if you added your browser to 'trusted apps' or installed it with an installer requiring elevation (ala. Firefox), then it won't be sandboxed and you're as good as gone come exploit time.

    Also, if you're running 64 bit, KPP stops any sandbox software from patching itself into the kernel which reduces it's effectiveness.

    UAC, however, is built into the kernel.

    Edited:

    Vista and seven 64 bit will both refuse to run unsigned drivers, unless you put your system into testsigning mode, in which case you probably know what you're doing somewhat
    It's not unheard of for virus groups to sign their malware.

    Signing isn't much of a security layer anyway.
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  38. Post #518
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    April 2010
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    A bit more orange here and there maybe? like in the grass one with snow
    As in less orange or more orange?

    Stop arguing, people are probably annoyed by now
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  39. Post #519
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    December 2008
    271 Posts
    Yadayada
    Yadayada
    Would you two please stop the OS war? Everyone else seems to have...

    Edited:

    As in less orange or more orange?
    Try more orange, but not asin overall, only in some places like it was the snow of the grass texture
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  40. Post #520
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    UAC has the right idea, but their implementation is such crap. Only thing UAC has done so far is, force everything to say "Run this program as administrator" and cause support to have to deal with idiots who ignore it, wondering why the program doesn't work.

    Cool, have fun getting rooted by the next zero day that hits whatever browser you use. UAC keeps you safe from this kind of thing.
    Bitches don't know about my sandboxed browser.

    Also, only a handful of AVs are able to protect you against zero-days, and even then it's extremely hit and miss.
    Personally I find AVs useless especially when you know a decent amount about computers. Just use something like Comodo Defense+ (properly configured, not their shit defaults). Haven't had a virus since I was like 11-12.
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