1. Post #3561
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    Panda X's Avatar
    August 2006
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    Mind expanding on this? I'm not sure what you're referring to.
    In regards to dual booting.

    Windows 7 and before it simply asked what OS / option you would like to boot into and then it would do so.

    In Windows 8, it boots into Windows 8 and then shows you the boot selection or options and if you select any one of these it reboots the whole machine to get into it.

    So let's say I wanted to boot into 7. I start my machine up and it boots Windows 8. It then shows gives me the screen to select my OS since the new boot selector is a Windows program that runs after the OS is fully booted and started. I select Windows 7. It'll the reboot the whole machine POSTing again and everything and then finally loading Windows 7. So for those who will dual boot you now have to load 2 operating systems. Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "dual-booting".

    It's the same with WinRE too. It boots 8 as before, before giving you the option to open CMD or troubleshooting options. Now surely I'm not the only one who can see that this is just beyond moronic.

    What happens if the OS won't boot? WinRE is no longer accessible as well. I wouldn't be able to do anything.

    Once again those dumbasses at Microsoft have to fucking shortcut the fuck out of everything just to get something working or looking nice on the surface.

    Since the boot loader reads from the disk, surely it can have a way to load the graphics driver before Windows is initialized right? Hell Windows PE can do it while Windows is still installing and get a native resolution.
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  2. Post #3562
    In regards to dual booting.

    Windows 7 and before it simply asked what OS / option you would like to boot into and then it would do so.

    In Windows 8, it boots into Windows 8 and then shows you the boot selection or options and if you select any one of these it reboots the whole machine to get into it.

    So let's say I wanted to boot into 7. I start my machine up and it boots Windows 8. It then shows gives me the screen to select my OS since the new boot selector is a Windows program that runs after the OS is fully booted and started. I select Windows 7. It'll the reboot the whole machine POSTing again and everything and then finally loading Windows 7. So for those who will dual boot you now have to load 2 operating systems. Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "dual-booting".

    It's the same with WinRE too. It boots 8 as before, before giving you the option to open CMD or troubleshooting options. Now surely I'm not the only one who can see that this is just beyond moronic.

    What happens if the OS won't boot? WinRE is no longer accessible as well. I wouldn't be able to do anything.

    Once again those dumbasses at Microsoft have to fucking shortcut the fuck out of everything just to get something working or looking nice on the surface.

    Since the boot loader reads from the disk, surely it can have a way to load the graphics driver before Windows is initialized right? Hell Windows PE can do it while Windows is still installing and get a native resolution.
    So in this case, wouldn't I be able to use Windows 7's OS Selector screen if I wanted to boot into 8? That way incase 8 somehow fucks up, 7's Selector Screen will still work
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  3. Post #3563
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    August 2006
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    So in this case, wouldn't I be able to use Windows 7's OS Selector screen if I wanted to boot into 8? That way incase 8 somehow fucks up, 7's Selector Screen will still work
    Yeah if you edit the BCD with EasyBCD the old one shows up and works exactly like before.
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  4. Post #3564
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    January 2005
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    Yeah if you edit the BCD with EasyBCD the old one shows up and works exactly like before.
    GRUB becomes the best boot loader for Windows! Lol. That's a bit dumb of them I gotta admit.
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  5. Post #3565
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    August 2006
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    GRUB becomes the best boot loader for Windows! Lol. That's a bit dumb of them I gotta admit.
    If it still works like this by RTM then chances are I'll just break it to get the old one. Would be easier than installing GRUB.
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  6. Post #3566
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    January 2005
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    If it still works like this by RTM then chances are I'll just break it to get the old one. Would be easier than installing GRUB.
    It was kind of a joke because GRUB just chainloads bootloaders anyway (for windows support). I don't know how hard it is to type one command though.
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  7. Post #3567
    P320's Avatar
    September 2011
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    I hate how it loads something that looks like WinPE (you can run cmd.exe in it) just for choosing your OS. And then, if it's anything but Win8 it reboots. Stupid.
    "Yes, it is terrible, this idea." ~Samir, Office Space
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  8. Post #3568
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    September 2007
    1,197 Posts
    Metro App Help :

    Anyone been able to make a AJAX request to a PHP page?
    PHP doesn't seem to parse at all.

    I'm using a basic JavaScript AJAX request, not WinJS


    I'm an idiot, I guess it would work if it wasn't local
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  9. Post #3569
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    April 2008
    716 Posts
    Dunno about you guys, but I changed the default OS to windows 7 in 8's boot loader and now it loads it directly. No need to double boot.
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  10. Post #3570
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    August 2006
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    Dunno about you guys, but I changed the default OS to windows 7 in 8's boot loader and now it loads it directly. No need to double boot.
    I assume it's because it initially skips the old one and just goes into 8 then asks. Good to know it's that simple to get back to the old way.
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  11. Post #3571
    Dennab
    November 2010
    4,519 Posts
    http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/31/w...gets-with-the/

    Aaaaa, noooo!
    It's horrific!

    Edited:

    Oh good, it's just the basic interface.

    Edited:



    Windows 8, welcome to 1985, meet the Commodore Amiga.
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  12. Post #3572
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    August 2006
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    http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/31/w...gets-with-the/

    Aaaaa, noooo!
    It's horrific!

    Edited:

    Oh good, it's just the basic interface.

    Edited:



    Windows 8, welcome to 1985, meet the Commodore Amiga.
    That moron who made that thread probably hasn't even used the Dev Preview or even followed Windows 8. Great article for a "tech-enthusiast". HEY GUIZ MS KILLS AERO READ MY POST OLOL
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  13. Post #3573
    Dennab
    November 2010
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    I know what Metro is, and that is not it. The window controls are mis-aligned.
    And it's going to look awful displaying conventional non-metro apps.

    Edited:

    Oh, and I know how bad Engadget are, they are a joke of a tech blog.
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  14. Post #3574

    July 2011
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    Windows 7 has Metro too, right Engadget?
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  15. Post #3575
    Dennab
    November 2010
    4,519 Posts
    Thats a bad photoshop.
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  16. Post #3576
    dai
    "arte"
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    February 2006
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    Thats a bad photoshop.
    can you tell from the pixels?
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  17. Post #3577
    Dennab
    November 2010
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    can you tell from the pixels?
    No, the top part of the window is using the "metro" UI. while the borders on the side retain the same shine effect seen in windows 7 and vista.

    Edited:

    All while the contents of the window are using the old basic style UI.
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  18. Post #3578
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    August 2006
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    No, the top part of the window is using the "metro" UI. while the borders on the side retain the same shine effect seen in windows 7 and vista.

    Edited:

    All while the contents of the window are using the old basic style UI.
    Why would Microsoft photoshop that? It's from Windows Server 8.
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  19. Post #3579
    Dennab
    November 2010
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    A mockup perhaps? a bad one.
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  20. Post #3580
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    A mockup perhaps? a bad one.
    It was like that in older builds. And you can still run taskmgr.exe
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  21. Post #3581
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    July 2007
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    I really think the iPod would have had its ass handed to it by the Zune if it was marketed correctly.
    the zune didn't deserve to win. no gapless playback? no thanks.
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  22. Post #3582
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    Titz's Avatar
    August 2011
    1,067 Posts
    How did I miss this thread?

    Hey guys, Windows 8 representing.
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  23. Post #3583
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    January 2005
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    the zune didn't deserve to win. no gapless playback? no thanks.
    Am I the only one who really doesn't care about that feature?
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  24. Post #3584
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    Am I the only one who really doesn't care about that feature?
    Depends on what kind of music you listen to. Gapped Pink Floyd would be awful.
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  25. Post #3585
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    Wow, Meddle without gapless playback...
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  26. Post #3586
    Depends on what kind of music you listen to. Gapped Pink Floyd would be awful.
    I remember when my dad introduced me to Pink Floyd.

    It was beautiful.
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  27. Post #3587
    Bus Driver
    Demache's Avatar
    December 2009
    8,316 Posts
    Am I the only one who really doesn't care about that feature?
    Its a nice feature, but isn't make or break for me.

    I still make cassettes of albums I think need gapless, since my car lacks a CD player.
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  28. Post #3588
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    November 2009
    9,507 Posts
    To solve the gapless issue, I used tools created to stitch audio tracks together. I stitched several albums into a single-track album. Worked very nicely.
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  29. Post #3589
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    July 2010
    329 Posts
    I hope you already realize how inconvient that is when things like gapless playback already exist..
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  30. Post #3590
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    November 2009
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    I hope you already realize how inconvient that is when things like gapless playback already exist..
    Couldn't afford an iPod at the time. The zune was free. Now, I don't know about you, but I've never been one to look a gift horse in the mouth. Especially when it's giving me something I didn't have.
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  31. Post #3591
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    Couldn't afford an iPod at the time. The zune was free. Now, I don't know about you, but I've never been one to look a gift horse in the mouth. Especially when it's giving me something I didn't have.
    How did you get a free Zune?
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  32. Post #3592
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    November 2009
    9,507 Posts
    How did you get a free Zune?
    Christmas.
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  33. Post #3593
    Dennab
    November 2010
    4,519 Posts
    I would love a Zune HD.
    They are just so sleek.
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  34. Post #3594
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    August 2006
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    Not entirely relevant to 8 but interesting still: http://www.neowin.net/news/what-happ...courier-tablet
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  35. Post #3595
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    May 2008
    898 Posts
    the zune didn't deserve to win. no gapless playback? no thanks.
    The Zune / whatever it's called media player on WP7 has gapless playback, so I guess they learnt that lesson
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  36. Post #3596
    BrettJay's Avatar
    October 2007
    608 Posts
    Allard decided that the Courier was going to use a modified version of Microsoft's Windows operating system. That may have been part of its downfall as the Windows division, lead by Steven Sinofsky, was working on Windows 8 at the same time. Sinofsky and his team had their own vision for a touch screen interface for tablets. Another problem with the Courier is that Allard didn't see the tablet as a replacement for a desktop or notebook PC but rather a complement to those products.
    Great, so we lost quite possibly one of the most amazing conceptual devices ever, one designed specifically as a device that complimented traditional desktop computers, for an Operating System that shoe-horns two very different user case scenarios into one product.

    Seriously, I would have loved a Courier for jotting notes and sketching designs on the go. It would have been amazing and complimented my workflow unbelievably well. Take my very specific example of web developer/designer. On my way to work on the train, I would have been able to use the Courier to sketch out layouts and brainstorm the parameters for a design. I'd get to the office and then use a desktop and Photoshop to actually create the designs, and once the designs were finalized, Sublime Text to code it. No matter how hard I or Microsoft try, the majority of my work (and anyone who uses computers in their field) will always be done at my desktop, and I certainly don't see that changing. It's a different story for consumers and handheld devices, but the Courier was more of a business device anyway.

    It just pains me to read that apparently Windows 8 is one of the main reasons for Microsoft canning the Courier; This looks like an insanely productive device; seriously. It wasn't some newspaper consumption device ala the iPad, and it wasn't trying to replicate functionality best left to a desktop (Word Processing, Excel, Powerpoint, Photoshop.. None of this is practical to do on the go and is certainly better with a keyboard + mouse), it was genuinely a 'third device' that could have co-existed alongside desktops easily.

    Edited:

    (I realize I've been making a number of disgruntled posts in this thread. I genuinely like Microsoft, I just feel disappointed by some of their baffling decisions :\ )
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  37. Post #3597
    hzy
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    January 2009
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    snip
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  38. Post #3598
    I once worked at a sperm bank, the food was terrible
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    April 2011
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    Damn no new info yet, c'mon MS
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  39. Post #3599
    P320's Avatar
    September 2011
    957 Posts
    We need the beta, pronto! This Dev Preview is killing me. >_<

    And downgrading back to Win 7 SP1 would be a bitch-tit and a half. :/
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  40. Post #3600
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    September 2006
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    So having previously used only the 7955 build, I've decided to give the dev preview a try and holy shit, I don't think I will be switching from Win 7 anytime soon.

    It is
    painful
    to use it on a desktop,simply because of the lack of a proper start menu and the hideous tablet metro elements popping up everywhere, how are you supposed to use it efficiently? Is there a way to enable the old start menu and get rid of all this tablet bullshit altogether?

    I want to use the latest and greatest OS, but if Win8 is going to be made with only tablets in mind then I'll have to pass on it.
    I will be getting a tablet in the near future, but I want my desktop to act like a desktop, without all the giant ugly buttons everywhere
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