You dudes stroke yourselves too much about Krav Maga, it's literally bad boxing + judo taught with a measure of situational awareness and drilling aggressive response, that's it.
Any one of the many "reality self defense" market martial arts suck to be honest. It's basically selling the fantasy to people that they can become lethal weapons by paying for a few 2 hour workshops.
Muay Thai is a pretty good art if you're looking to defend yourself. It's brutal and the techniques are simple, none of this "grab here, pull here, do this, do that," stuff. Just teaches you how to drive your fists, elbows, knees, and shins into another human being as hard as possible. Working in the clinch also helps out a lot since most real fights are going to end up in the clinch.
Awww yeah. Had my 2nd Brown belt test today for Karate. Our instructor does 3 levels for Brown belt for whatever reason. Doesn't do it for any other belt except for green. He has green and advanced green. But yeah, it was pretty tolling. 2.5hrs of pushing my body to its limits. May not soud like a horribly long time, but almost every minute of it was spent working. They only get longer for each test. For Black belt, which I'm only about a year away from now, you do two 4 hour long tests separated by a month. The second degree black belt test is one 8 hour one.
Here's a pic of me with my instructor:
Personally, I've done karate since 2003 (I think), basically when I was 6 (15 now, so 9 years), and I originally joined it with a friend, although about a year ago he quit and started going to the gym a lot more instead
I study Wado-ryu, unsurprisingly of Japanese origin, with apparent ancestry in Jujutsu, but I haven't really ever delved into it much, although it could be interesting to learn a bit more about it considering that I've done it for so long
Don't really remember how I started it, although it's always been a good topic of conversation, and has been the only 'sport' (although I think Karate's more of practice, but w/e), that I've ever been good at, so I stuck with it
I earned my black belt in April 2010 iirc, so that took 7 years to achieve, and during the grading I firstly had a written exam, testing knowledge of the Japanese translations of the techniques, and also there were questions about the katas we studied and the applications of certain parts of the kata
After that, there was around an hour of basic techniques and combinations that we were told to preform, which were said in Japanese, with combinations being a set of techniques we had learned in 'class'
Then there was our current katas, 2 randomly selected previous katas from earlier belts, and finally half an hour of non-stop kumite - how fun, a 13 year old skinny-ass 1st kyu fighting existing black belts and also the senseis until he's tired as shit, but I passed, so it was all worth it in the end
Our belt system consists of 10 kyus, then up to 8 dans. I'm still 1st dan because, although I sometimes teach, the way of achieving 2nd dan is by practically learning the whole syllabus, so instead I just train to improve what I already know, and there are always new katas that can be learned - my sensei is 4th dan himself (maybe 5th, unsure to be honest)
So yeah, currently when I train, I either work on previous things with others, learn/practice new katas, or we have sparring (contact with hand pads, although competitions allow lots more contact, but still with hand pads)
I've been doing Karate for 3 years, Judo and Aikido for one, and love to read all sorts of books on Oriental martial arts. I've always wanted to learn Kung Fu, hopefully one of the five animal styles.
Personally I can understand how most of people have that impression of KM, and yes, it's true. Most of the dojos out there are MacDojos, but the Krav Maga you learn in Israel is the military Krav Maga, and yes it features all the things you can learn in Krav Maga that don't feature in most of Krav Maga federations outside of Israel. And this has a reason: most krav maga techniques aim to kill or neutralize the opponent witch is illegal (agression/assault) in most countries and can easily make you the aggressor instead of the victim.
I've never seen any video out there of civilian based Krav Maga that isn't just training for initiates or just bullshit from mcdojos out there.
I can only convince you by the experience I carry from my federation and my past years in Aikido, Krav Maga is efficient when taught propperly, and YES, there are federations out there willing to teach it that way.
As for EFKM, (my federation) the progress is real slow, from white to orange belt we're taught the abc of krav maga: locks, rolls, submissions, basic disarming, evasion, etc etc, most of these things you see on youtube alongside with some poorly exemplified sparring.
Afterwards for those who choose to go further than the orange belt there's a different training from then on. The so called tough training. There are no simulations anymore, only real sparring with real hard contact. And this I've never seen in any macdojo nor in those pathetic videos on youtube.
Also my federation has very few marketing involved except for the simple occasional krav maga shirts and trousers that they make available from time to time to students interested in the material, otherwise you can train with just simple black trousers and white shirt.
And one other thing: we train at a gym, not a dojo. There's no point in training Krav Maga in a dojo since it works as military training and conditioning.
And finally last but not least my teacher's an ex military (now a law enforcement officer), he trained in Israel and he's an ex Kick boxer and Jiu Jitsu practitioner, so due to his experience he has no reason or excuse to teach us poorly executed stuff nor feeding us with false ego just so we throw ourselves to the wolves out there.
This is why I disagree with you when you make such an unfair generalization.
I do Shaolin Kenpo. It's very similar to American Kenpo.
Question @ Behemoth_PT: Isn't there an aspect to KM where you use "anything" around you as a weapon? I had a HS teacher whos husband did KM and she said that was part of his training. I think she also said he did fairly rough sparring where he had to wear well-padded gear.
Nope. At least not this far. I'm going for yellow belt in june but I'm familiar with the program 'till orange. We don't focus on usage of weapons in Krav Maga, so far the only thing we've done with objects was the basic knife disarmament, kick in the groin and escape.
There are other federations of Krav Maga though, and the program differs much between them. The one I remember using that kind of more intense sparring and high usage of objects is the Bukan federation. Thing is I don't agree with that method. Surely they teach you to resist pain, contact and such, but that is assuming that your agressor is the dumbest idiot on earth, so most of the guys leave the gym/dojo with an excessive gloat about their skills.
I believe Krav Maga is to be taught slowly and patiently, the progress should come slow, and hard contact and tough training for civilians must come later on the program ( a little bit on yellow belt and from green belt up). As I said, other techniques that require resistance to pain, weapon disarmament and usage should be used further on, when you dominate the basic techniques.
For example: Grappling and choke evasion on the floor is only given to students in green belt, just so you can see how slowly persistent and kinda "repetitive" Krav Maga progress is. In order for you to execute the moves with precision and momentum explosion you have to practice them over and over again. That's why it scares me to see those guys from IKMF teaching such techniques to newcomers as floor strangling evasion and evasion from a beating crowd once lying on the floor. I'm still an initiate and so far I only learned the basics to survive quickly enough to escape. Also the purpose of Krav Maga is not to engage in a fight neither to keep up the fight. It's to survive and avoid behaviours that put you at risk.
Early disarmament and weapon training will only encourage people to be falsely prepared for combat, witch they're not, and most of the time it results in Heroes getting stabbed or shot.
Krav Maga takes years of frustrating, hard working and patient training in order for you to be able to succeed in a life threatening situation with efficiency. Everybody who tells you differently is either eluded or promoting his MacDojo.
There is no "learn to kick ass in 3 years" in real Krav Maga, but I understand your doubts. It's hard to search for a serious Krav Maga federation and institution nowadays. Took me some weeks of research and teacher fighting background check.
Anyway. I'm going to visit a Systema - Russian Style seminar in May in Lisbon just to see what that's all about, I'm searching for a good martial art outside the Krav Maga thingy so I can get a little contact too. So far I liked Tae Kwondo.
Or you could just train Muay Thai and wreck everyone's face in real-life situations after a year or two of hard training.
I don't know what's the matter with people nowadays with these "Learn to kick ass in 3 years" thingy. There's no such thing. Might as well go downtown and buy a black belt in a Chinese store. That would certainly make you feel so good about yourself.
And by the way. Why would you want to "kick ass and chew bubblegum" in a real-life situation?
please. every post you make is lowering your credibility more and more.
It's brutal as fuck and the training is brutal as fuck. Not many martial arts can toughen you up like Muay Thai can. The bottom line is that in a real fight, you're not going to be able to do complex moves and whatnot, that's all bullshit. Muay Thai is all about simple yet incredibly brutal techniques. In a real fight, what saves your life is the many hours you've spent trading knees in the clinch, not some stupid wristlock throw or something.
So is Krav Maga. But the difference is Muay Thai is a Martial Art and Krav Maga is a defence system.
See what I'm trying to say?
Let's get things straight cause I think I haven't been clear in my later posts.
There is a difference between fighting in the ring with people with the same size, weight and level and fighting with unknowns in the street.
Surely 3 years of intense muay thay can teach you to be an excelent fighter and kick ass both in and out. Nonetheless it's focused on competition, not necessarily self defence although it can be useful in certain situations.
Don't compare the effectiveness and type of training between martial arts and any kind of self defence out there. They are totally different and serve different purposes. That's why in my opinion I don't think muay thay or any other martial arts would be a good investiment IF your main goal is to defend yourself.
Muggers, robbers, street thugs... they all have a history of fighting. Most of them are fighting in the streets since young age. They surely don't know muay Thay but they know other dirty things you're not counting on and would never have learned in 3 years in any martial art.
What you have is 3 years of experience in a martial art. They have a lifetime history of guns, knives, numbers, street smarts and you don't, no matter how hard you hit the gym.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Muay Thay is shit. Quite the opposite. It kicks ass! I've been in a couple of seminars and I saw with my own eyes. However its main purpose it's not self defence. That's where the defence systems come up.
I've been in some life threatening situations myself and I can tell you, you can know every martial art or defence system in the book but if you cant keep calm, breathe right and control your mind, you're done. Easy enough to keep in mind once you have a gun pointed at you, right?
You have to be careful in the street. Don't rely on your experience in MA and DS to keep you out of trouble.
Thugs and whatnot who have fought for their entire lives tend to have no idea how to fight.
Someone with a few years of quality martial arts training would easily outclass a thug who has fought thousands of times in the streets. Kimbo Slice was king of street fighting but got his dick kicked in by real martial artists. There's no secret to fighting dirty, it's not like you have to be taught how to kick someone in the balls or whatever.
I'm just saying that the complexity of KM makes it inefficient in real situations. It relies too much on accurate and specific techniques, which are nearly impossible to pull off in real situations. MT is more effective in real situations because it is simple and doesn't require extreme accuracy. Throw a hard thai kick with hardened shins and it doesn't matter where it hits the guy, it's going to hurt him.
Krav Maga has nothing complex. Quite the contrary. It's all very simplified.
I can tell you from my experience in Aikido (it has some complex and unnecessary shit in it), and Krav Maga has some techniques that can do exactly the same but are more simple to execute and in the end you get the same results.
I know how Muay Thay works and I'm not saying it's useless in real life. I'm just saying any martial art has it's limitations that can be your end in a real life situation. Not to mention if your opponent knows other martial arts himself too.
For example. In Muay Thay you train in shorts and in a dry solid floor. In real life you may have tight pants that can block your movements, or slippery shoes. Or you may find yourself fighting in an irregular sidewalk. There are lots of factors you can't control. Also imagine you're fighting with a guy who knows jiu jitsu and he manages to take you to the floor.
See where I'm getting at?
Yes, there is no doubt that Muay Thay is one of the few martial arts that can save your ass in real life situations. However outside a dojo there are things you can't control and can't expect.
For example. I know my way around krav maga and been involved in a brawl once since the way to my uni is kinda dangerous. I managed to fight my way outside a moving and shifting metro, but I barely made it because of all the adrenaline rush, the panic, the lack of support on my feet due to the moving metro. I could barely stand properly so there was no way I could throw a powerful kick without falling down. I had to punch and elbow my way out of the carriage like a maniac. That adventure costed me some stiches in my lip and a bleeding nose. And one of the guys had a knive that I luckily disarmed in time.
It wasn't the first time I got robbed in the metro though, the first time I was robbed by 2 guys and I was so hesitant and nervous that I just didn't manage to get the courage to start kicking ass. They took 5€ from me. (not much fortunately).
Sometimes it's better to not react other times it's better to explode and kick and punch your way outta there.
What I'm trying to say is to avoid using your skills outside except if you're attacked or someone hurts you. Don't look at martial arts like "now, nobody's going to mess with me", there's always someone out there who can kick your ass and put you in your place no matter what.
I've always managed to avoid problems with street thugs by talking peacefully except that one time. Fighting outside has lots of variables you can't control and most of them can't be avoided by your skills in the martial art of your choice. However, training in a Defence system taught by a police or military officer (that has experience in real life situations) can bring you some insights about it that you wouldn't have in other martial arts. Once again : I'm not saying Muay Thay is ineffective! It is AWESOME!
i have 8 months solid of kickboxing/boxing, 3 years of wrestling and 2 years of brazilian jiu jitsu and i would fucking walk over you, are you saying you can't become a force to be reckoned with after 3 years? shit, you can become a force after 6 months, you just have to train hard and keep your head right
but obviously you're a pansy and have never competed or taken any martial art seriously, so please, keep spouting off this ridiculous bull shit
I've been in TKD for 5 months now, my first tournament is tomorrow (point sparring). wish me luck.
also, I broke my first board today, woo.
I am a highschool wrestler. (if that counts) And we trained in some judo in the wrestling room because my coach was a 3rd dan judoka.He went all over the world for judo and has some crazy stories. I did that for a lump sum of 3 months really fun. Those trhows helped me in wrestling ALOT. Plus some of my more douchey friends like to test me for some really stupid reason. So judo comes in handy.
I've been training Muay Thai for about two years now, picking up BJJ. Have to learn some type of fighting style that focused on grappling.
I've been training under VIPERSACADEMY for awhile. Here's a demo of some stuff we do.
Don't try this at home cause you might die.
I do something like that when I fail to cinch in a darce choke. Just resituate it so the arm is going across the face and then squeeze like crazy. Guys tell me it feels like I'm going to pop their head like a grape. Only bad part about it is that there's usually no physical feedback when doing it, I don't know if it's working or not until they tap.
So I'm going for yellow belt at Krav Maga this June. I've been starting to train harder some weeks for now except I've been skipping a lot of classed due to uni and my drivers licence exam...
Also an MMA gym just opened in my town. I think I'm gonna give it a try and stay if I like it. Problem is I have to wait 'till the end of the semester.
I've been looking for more than a defence system and I think MMA will give me the complement I need to gain some experience, more sparring and the oportunity to compete.
Problem is the guy only gives classes once a week on Sundays and it's a 2:30/3:00 hour training session. I was wondering if that was enough or not since I also do a lot of conditioning in Krav Maga 2 days a week in 2 hour training sessions.
However my town hasn't got too much variety in more complex martial arts. I mean you only have the most easy to find martial arts here, like boxing, kick boxing, karate, judo and as for KM and Jiu Jitsu you only have a gym or 2.
There is no Russian Sambo, no Muay Thai, no Kung Fu and this MMA place only opened some time ago and I know nothing of the place nor the federation.
Anyway, since it's the only place they teach it here knowing it may not be trustworthy, should I give it a try?
Because when japan and russian got into war russia banned everything japanese including sports so judokas in russia changed the rules ,uniforms, and goals.
The goal in judo is to throw you opponent on thier back. In sambo the goal is to perform a leg lock because
its like some military idea where when you take out someones leg it requires one or two people to get them out of the combat zone.
In combat you can strike but you cant hold on the gi and punch them.
ALOT and i mean alot of grappling sports translate into each other. wrestling, judo ,bjj, sambo.
So a bjj practitioner can hang with sambo practitioners. Judo and wrestling. Thats why they call no gi bjj submission wrestling. And kung fu is kinda iffy if you ask me. And most mma gyms should have a muay thai, bjj, wrestling. Those are like the bare minimum. So sure give it a try.
I'm sorry i got into a tangent.
I went to visit the place and I liked it. Good ambient between practitioners, nice teacher and good equipment. I definitely gonna give it a try next month.
TACTICAL HARDCORE EXTREME
Are you kidding me, it's a bunch of adults running around in bad tactical gear trying to convince themselves they are badasses.
lmfao that shotgun disarm, hope you like the feeling of buckshot tearing your face apart.
Vipers academy is yet another mall rent-a-cop outfit desperately trying to convince themselves they are fucking special forces or something. Meanwhile the real operators involved in high risk security operations are laughing their asses off at these twats
"THE OBJECTIVE OF OUR ORGANIZATION IS TO MAKE THE WORLD SAFER BY DENYING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR VIOLENCE TO TAKE PLACE. BY USING TACTICAL PSYCHOLOGY, TACTICAL LAW, AND TACTICAL SKILLS, WE CREATE CONDITIONS WHICH, BY DESIGN, ARE NOT CONDUCIVE FOR VIOLENCE. VIPERS THREAT MANAGEMENT EMPHASIZES THE USE OF DETERENCE, DETECTION, AND DEFENSE TO ACHIEVE NON-VIOLENT OUTCOMES."
lmao oh shit it gets better
Their website says its $250 dollars a month for training. As in training I mean tactical training. And by tactical training I mean teaching impractical skills and running on rusty poles in the back of a warehouse. watch out domestic terrorists.
lmao. on their website every member has a code name.
anyone that gets training there is being swindled. And anyone who hires them is ignorant to the fact they are paying thousands of dollars for mall cops.
They have videos of news reports on them, and they seriously act like they are in an organization that is full of bad dudes and empowered women.
Going back to muay thai tonight. I'll tell you how it goes. I hope I see some clinch love.