1. Post #361
    Dennab
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    Well, some people during WWII did jokingly refer to the UK as the USS Great Briton, the US's largest Aircraft carrier
    Not only is that pretty funny but it's not far from the truth.
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  2. Post #362
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    Well, some people during WWII did jokingly refer to the UK as the USS Great Briton, the US's largest Aircraft carrier
    I remember reading that Iraq was bombed by the US using bases in the UK.
    Its crazy, surely it would be easier in these situations to operate from closer bases?
    Although I am guessing all of the munitions are sitting in the UK and it would be hard / dangerous to move them.

  3. Post #363
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    Gaddafi has his own guided missiles

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  4. Post #364
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    I remember reading that Iraq was bombed by the US using bases in the UK.
    Its crazy, surely it would be easier in these situations to operate from closer bases?
    Although I am guessing all of the munitions are sitting in the UK and it would be hard / dangerous to move them.
    We launched B2 bombers from the United States to strike targets in Iraq on the opening hours.
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  5. Post #365
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    We launched B2 bombers from the United States to strike targets in Iraq on the opening hours.
    Good god that's even crazier.
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  6. Post #366
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    Good god that's even crazier.
    "Other sorties in Iraq have launched from Whiteman AFB.[5] This resulted in missions lasting over 30 hours and one mission of over 50 hours."
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  7. Post #367
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    Let's hope this ends quick

  8. Post #368
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    You think your commute sucks.
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  9. Post #369
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    I hate how the BBC keeps saying the resolution outlaws ground forces. It doesn't, it outlaws a 'foreign occupation force', there is certainly room for ground forces there. I'm not saying there will, should be or need to be ground forces, just that it's not right to say there can't be.
    Somehow it's ingrained in our culture that we the West need not spill any blood of our own while killing the enemy. What is happening right now; a long-range fire strike of sorts in Soviet terms should be used to assist in the commitment of major ground forces. I'd like to point out that in the 1991 Gulf War, the bulk of Iraqi ground combat vehicles were destroyed during the ground offensive, not during the air campaign.

  10. Post #370
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    0111: The British fast jets flew 4,828km (3,000 miles) from RAF Marham and back - the longest range bombing mission conducted by the RAF since the Falklands conflict, according to the Ministry of Defence. The operation was supported by VC10 and Tristar air-to-air refuelling aircraft as well as E3D Sentry and Sentinel surveillance aircraft.


    Something the UK does surprisingly well, bombing people way too far away.
    This is the reason we have no carriers.
    Eh? We do have carriers, though.

  11. Post #371
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    So when Clinton said that they would make use of the US "unique" capabilities. Did she mean to annex a country, put puppets on top and give them weapons only to fight them again within 2 decades?
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  12. Post #372
    I wish I was as cool as Felix :)
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    So when Clinton said that they would make use of the US "unique" capabilities. Did she mean to annex a country, put puppets on top and give them weapons only to fight them again within 2 decades?
    Not funny.
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  13. Post #373
    Jsm
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    Eh? We do have carriers, though.
    Bad choice of words on my part, its getting late. It was a (bad) attempt at a joke relating to the carriers being scraped.

    Edited:

    0129: Tripolitanian tweets: "#Libya has suspended the cease-fire, that's right, the cease-fire that was never there is now no longer there"
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  14. Post #374
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    http://interactive.foxnews.com/livestream/live.html

    Looks like we could have a sequel to the Gaza Strip here!
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  15. Post #375
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    112 cruise missiles just hit Libya
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  16. Post #376
    Jsm
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    112 cruise missiles just hit Libya
    Unless you mean 112 new ones, this happened many hours ago.

    Edited:

    http://interactive.foxnews.com/livestream/live.html

    Looks like we could have a sequel to the Gaza Strip here!
    We need to start compiling a list of live streams, there's so many (mostly news streams)

    Also that is the Reuters feed they are showing there, which is handy because the BBC keep cutting away from it.

  17. Post #377
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    So when Clinton said that they would make use of the US "unique" capabilities. Did she mean to annex a country, put puppets on top and give them weapons only to fight them again within 2 decades?
    She was referring to their advanced military technology actually!
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  18. Post #378
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    I can imagine the Libyan weather report.

    "Today it will be mostly sunny, with a slight chance of cruise missiles"
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  19. Post #379
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    I can imagine the Libyan weather report.

    "Today it will be mostly sunny, with a high chance of cruise missiles"
    Fixed.
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  20. Post #380
    Jsm
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    For some reason I keep laughing when the BBC refer to the UK defence sec. as his proper name. "Dr Fox".
    I am not sure why, but I find it funny.

  21. Post #381
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    I like how fast it took until someone made a Wiki page about this.

    http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Odyssey_Dawn


    Also, What kind of arsenal can Gadaffi use to "counter-attack"? Does he have scud missiles or something like that?

  22. Post #382
    Dennab
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    Goodbye Gaddafi, you ugly motherfucker
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  23. Post #383
    RG4
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    I like how fast it took until someone made a Wiki page about this.

    http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Odyssey_Dawn


    Also, What kind of arsenal can Gadaffi use to "counter-attack"? Does he have scud missiles or something like that?
    Yeah he does and he has about like nearly 200 FN-2000s
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  24. Post #384
    Dennab
    June 2010
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    Yeah he does and he has about like nearly 200 FN-2000s
    "Libya: Purchased 367 F2000 rifles along with other assorted lethal and non-lethal systems from FN Herstal in 2008, with deliveries commencing in 2009.[17] The export of the weapons was initially blocked over concerns of proliferation into other volatile regions."

  25. Post #385
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    The current strength of the Libyan Army consists of 25,000 volunteers with an additional ε25,000 conscripts (total 50,000). The army is organised into 11 Border Defence and 4 Security Zones, one regime security brigade, 10 Tank Battalions, 10 Mechanized Infantry Battalions, 18 Infantry Battalions, 6 Commando Battalions, 22 Artillery Battalions, 4 SSM Brigade and 7 Air Defence Artillery Battalions.[3]

    In 2009, it emerged that a British Special Air Service team were training Libyan special forces.[4] Khamis al-Qadhafi's 32nd Brigade is one of the main regime protection forces. The 'Khamis Brigade' is considered by U.S. diplomats as the most capable of defending the regime.[5]

    Though the Libyan army has a large amount of fighting equipment at its disposal, the vast majority was bought from the Soviet Union in the 70s and 80s and is largely obsolete. A high percentage remains in storage and a large amount of equipment has also been sold to various African countries. No major purchases of equipment have been made in recent years largely due to the decline of the economy and military sanctions experienced throughout the nineties. This and various other internal factors has seriously decayed the strength of the whole of the Libyan Armed Forces over the years and it has lagged behind its major neighbors in terms of its military capabilities and real war fighting capability.
    Libyan Air Defence missiles.

    Libya despatched a contingent to the Arab Deterrent Force in Lebanon in 1976 as the Lebanese Civil War escalated.[6] In the spring of 1979, after the Arab League had extended the mandate of the Arab Deterrent Force, the Sudanese, the Saudis and the UAE troops departed Lebanon, the Libyan troops were essentially abandoned and had to find their own way home, if at all.

    From the late seventies to the mid to late eighties the army was involved in four major incursions into Chadian Territory. The Libyan Army suffered great losses in these conflicts especially that of the Toyota War of 1987 largely due to poor tactics and western aid to Chad. All of these incursions were eventually repulsed and Libya no longer occupies Chad. This conflict was known as the Chadian-Libyan conflict.

    Ground forces bases reportedly include El Adem, Ajdabiya, Aouzou, El Bayda, Benghazi, Ghat, and Misratah.[citation needed] In Benghazi as of 20 February 2011, the Al-Fadhil Brigade has apparently been seized while the Al-Sibyl Brigade is reportedly firing on protesters.[7]

    The Libyan ground forces have a large amount of mostly Soviet equipment in service. The IISS estimated tank numbers in 2009 as 2,025: 200 T-72; 115 in store; 100 T-62; 70 in store; 500 T-55; 1,040 T-54/T-55 in store. The IISS estimated there were 50 BRDM-2 and 70 EE-9 Cascavel reconnaissance vehicles, 1,000 BMP-1s, plus BMDs.[8] Russian official sources reported in 2010 that T-72s would be modernised with help from Russia.[9] 750 BTR-50 and BTR-60s were also reported by the IISS. Other reported wheeled vehicles in service include 100 EE-11 Urutu, and Czechoslovak OT-64 SKOT.[10]

    The IISS estimated artillery in service in 2009 as totaling 2,421 pieces. 444 SP artillery pieces were reported; 122mm 130 2S1 Carnation; 152mm 140: 60 2S3 Akatsiya; 80 M-77 Dana; 155mm 174: 14 M-109; 160 VCA 155 Palmaria. 647+ towed artillery pieces were reported: 105mm 42+ M-101; 122mm 250: 190 D-30; 60 D-74; 130mm 330 M-46; 152mm 25 M-1937. 830 Multiple rocket launchers were reported: an estimated 300 107mm Type-63; 122mm 530: ε200 BM-11; ε230 BM-21 Grad; ε100 RM-70 Dana (RM-70 multiple rocket launcher?). The IISS also estimated that Libya had 500 mortars: 82mm 428; 120mm ε48 M-43; 160mm ε24 M-160. Surface to Surface Missiles reported in service include FROG-7 and SCUD-B, (416 missiles).

    Anti Tank missiles reported in service include 400 French/German MILAN, and 620+ AT-3, AT-4, and AT-5, all of Soviet manufacture.

    In 2009 the IISS estimated that Libya had Crotale, SA-7 Grail, SA-9/SA-13 surface to air missiles, and AA guns in Army service. A separate Air Defence Command has SA-2, SA-3, SA-5 Gammon, and SA-8b Gecko, plus guns.

    Reported anti aircraft artillery includes Soviet 57 mm S-60, 23 mm self-propelled ZSU-23-4 and ZU-23-2, Czech M53/59 Praga, and Swedish Bofors 40mm guns.

    Small arms reported in service include TT pistol, Beretta M12, FN P90, SKS, AK-47, and AKM assault rifles, the FN F2000, Soviet RPD machine gun, RPK machine gun, PK machine guns, DShK heavy machine gun, KPV heavy machine guns, SG-43 Goryunov, and a number of RPG type and anti-aircraft missile systems: RPG-2, RPG-7, 9K32 Strela-2.
    [edit] Air & Air Defence Forces

    Edited:

    "Libya: Purchased 367 F2000 rifles along with other assorted lethal and non-lethal systems from FN Herstal in 2008, with deliveries commencing in 2009.[17] The export of the weapons was initially blocked over concerns of proliferation into other volatile regions."
    That's a alot of Fn-2000s

  26. Post #386
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    Here's a fun fact:

    Unit cost of a TLAM: $569,000 USD

    So if over 110 of these have been launched, then the United States has so far spent over $62.5 million in expending a single munition alone, not counting everything else (fuel, supplies, other munitions expended and so on).
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  27. Post #387
    "We should allow child labor overseas ...the sweatshop is what is saving the 9 year old worker"
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    That seems kind of cliche. Guy is talking about anti aircraft guns and how he's close to them, and then they lose audio. The guy in the studio is like: "Uh, we've lost our connection to Steve".
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  28. Post #388
    Jsm
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    Here's a fun fact:

    Unit cost of a TLAM: $569,000 USD

    So if over 110 of these have been launched, then the United States has so far spent over $62.5 million in expending a single munition alone, not counting everything else (fuel, supplies, other munitions expended and so on).
    To be fair to them the cost was paid a long time ago, they might as well use them for something.
    Still, that's a hell of a lot of money. They could have probably bombed it for cheaper.
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  29. Post #389
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    That seems kind of cliche. Guy is talking about anti aircraft guns and how he's close to them, and then they lose audio. The guy in the studio is like: "Uh, we've lost our connection to Steve".
    Is this a live feed?
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  30. Post #390
    Dennab
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    To be fair to them the cost was paid a long time ago, they might as well use them for something.
    Still, that's a hell of a lot of money. They could have probably bombed it for cheaper.
    It doesn't really matter, the USA seems to have infinite money for their armed forces
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  31. Post #391
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    To be fair to them the cost was paid a long time ago, they might as well use them for something.
    Still, that's a hell of a lot of money. They could have probably bombed it for cheaper.
    Typical excuse: "But then using alternatives will risk human lives and we Americans will not tolerate a single military loss in war or OOTW due to our superior technology!"

  32. Post #392
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    It doesn't really matter, the USA seems to have infinite money for their armed forces
    You'd be amazed what you can stockpile with $600 billion dollars.

  33. Post #393
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    It doesn't really matter, the USA seems to have infinite money for their armed forces
    We bankrupted the USSR back then and maybe the US will bankrupt itself sometime this decade or the next.

  34. Post #394
    Dennab
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    You'd be amazed what you can stockpile with $600 billion dollars.
    yes...yes i would

  35. Post #395
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    Typical excuse: "But then using alternatives will risk human lives and we Americans will not tolerate a single military loss in war or OOTW due to our superior technology!"
    It's not like they're any less effective then a bomber.

  36. Post #396

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    another conflict for oil? tell me why it isn't please
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  37. Post #397
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    Here's a fun fact:

    Unit cost of a TLAM: $569,000 USD

    So if over 110 of these have been launched, then the United States has so far spent over $62.5 million in expending a single munition alone, not counting everything else (fuel, supplies, other munitions expended and so on).
    It was a joint attack between US and Britain so divide that number.

  38. Post #398
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    another conflict for oil? tell me why it isn't please
    Where were you the past month.
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  39. Post #399
    Dennab
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    You'd be amazed what you can stockpile with $600 billion dollars.
    Clean food and water for everyone on earth? If only.

  40. Post #400
    Jsm
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    another conflict for oil? tell me why it isn't please
    Because the UN was asked by people in Libya so the UN is assisting by enforcing a no fly zone.

    Please tell me how anyone gets oil out of this?

    I mean, it might be a nice side effect if the rebels get into power and sell the west cheap oil. But it doesn't seem to be the desired endgame. The real desired outcome (as made clear, at least by the British PM) is regime change. They want Gaddafi out, now. They have wanted him out for years but now this is a chance for them to get rid of him with minimal effort.
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