1. Post #4161
    No such thing as overkill.
    catbarf's Avatar
    January 2007
    7,829 Posts
    What is your opinion of an MG36? IS it a true support gun, or a "rifle with a drum mag"
    It's somewhere in between, really. If we were talking for the purpose of, say, specialized support weapon rules for a field, I'd have to say no to the MG36. That's not to say the real one isn't an MG- it's rather similar in function to the RPD and Heavy Barrel FAL in that it doesn't use a belt and can't easily change the barrel, and those are definitely machine guns. But for airsoft, saying your assault rifle with drum should be counted as a machine gun because the company that made the rifle built a test model MG that no military ever adopted sounds downright exploitative.

    If a G36 with drum got qualified as an MG simply because the MG36 exists despite not being used anywhere, I imagine the people with M4s and drums would be annoyed because they can't do likewise, and the people with 'real' support weapons would be annoyed because the much lighter MG36 has a number of advantages.
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  2. Post #4162
    YEAH, AND?
    felix the cat's Avatar
    December 2010
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    What about the BAR and the Bren? Us and the British considered them "squad support weapons" while the M1919 and the Vickers were "heavy weapons"
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  3. Post #4163
    No such thing as overkill.
    catbarf's Avatar
    January 2007
    7,829 Posts
    What about the BAR and the Bren? Us and the British considered them "squad support weapons" while the M1919 and the Vickers were "heavy weapons"
    Personally I'd be fine with them as support guns, because they were definitely designed as such. WW2-era 'squad support weapons' are fairly analogous to modern SAWs, after all. My problem with the MG36 isn't that it doesn't use a belt or have quick change barrels or whatever, it's that it's indistinguishable from a G36 with a C-mag, so I would simply treat it as a G36 with a C-mag.
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  4. Post #4164
    Shotgun Guru
    notrabies's Avatar
    February 2009
    7,223 Posts
    Well luckily for airsoft, G36 barrels are quick change, if they weren't so expensive you could easily carry a few around and change them out. Maybe add a pound or two to your weight too.
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  5. Post #4165
    YEAH, AND?
    felix the cat's Avatar
    December 2010
    9,476 Posts
    Personally I'd be fine with them as support guns, because they were definitely designed as such. WW2-era 'squad support weapons' are fairly analogous to modern SAWs, after all. My problem with the MG36 isn't that it doesn't use a belt or have quick change barrels or whatever, it's that it's indistinguishable from a G36 with a C-mag, so I would simply treat it as a G36 with a C-mag.
    I feel like as long as it's a full size G36 with a C-mag, and not a G36k or G36c, I wouldn't have a problem with it.
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  6. Post #4166
    No such thing as overkill.
    catbarf's Avatar
    January 2007
    7,829 Posts
    Well luckily for airsoft, G36 barrels are quick change, if they weren't so expensive you could easily carry a few around and change them out. Maybe add a pound or two to your weight too.
    You mean, to go between full length (for MG36) and carbine (for general G36)? Real G36s don't have quick change barrels, so that wouldn't be a useful feature for an MG36.

    Edited:

    I feel like as long as it's a full size G36 with a C-mag, and not a G36k or G36c, I wouldn't have a problem with it.
    It's just kind of arbitrary. How would you feel if you had an M16 with C-mag that wasn't allowed as a support weapon, while some other guy's G36 with C-mag is allowed because there exists a prototype weapon in that configuration despite never being adopted or used by any nation?
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  7. Post #4167
    Honestly a MG36 in my eyes is pretty much exactly like a RPK or BAR or something. Although i agree, anyone could stick a C-mag in a G36 and say "lulz is a em gee therdee sicks", which is really unfair to those that fished out the money and lug around a M249 around, but that's the way shit works, especially IRL. Battle is unfair, and while it should be balanced as much as possible, i envy the smart motherfucker that said "fuck it" to M60s and SAWs and made an MG36 or got an RPK.
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  8. Post #4168
    Shotgun Guru
    notrabies's Avatar
    February 2009
    7,223 Posts
    Yeah, rather than have a complicated realistic barrel like some other models, airsoft G36's just mount a barrel to where a flashhider belongs on a G36c. Having multiple G36E barrels would let you simulate an updated MG36 with provisions for quick change barrels.
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  9. Post #4169
    I HATE COFFEE
    jomt1234's Avatar
    April 2009
    8,338 Posts
    Tankmans new M60, pulled them from facebook
    Neat, imo

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  10. Post #4170
    No such thing as overkill.
    catbarf's Avatar
    January 2007
    7,829 Posts
    Honestly a MG36 in my eyes is pretty much exactly like a RPK or BAR or something. Although i agree, anyone could stick a C-mag in a G36 and say "lulz is a em gee therdee sicks", which is really unfair to those that fished out the money and lug around a M249 around, but that's the way shit works, especially IRL. Battle is unfair, and while it should be balanced as much as possible, i envy the smart motherfucker that said "fuck it" to M60s and SAWs and made an MG36 or got an RPK.
    By the same logic you should envy the smart motherfucker that said "fuck it" to M60s and SAWs and made a Shrike. I mean, you basically said the MG36 isn't really fair, but that's the way shit works- so what's the difference?

    The reason people dislike that particular combo is because it affords the functionality of a machine gun in a less realistic and advantageous package. The MG36 is the same thing- it's not realistic because nobody uses it in real life, and it's advantageous in that it's light and much more wieldy than a full-sized LMG.

    I don't see why you would treat the two differently. The MG36 and Shrike are both weapons manufactured without a military contract, the only difference is that the MG36 is no longer produced at all.

    On another note, that's a pretty cool M60. Personally I'm not a fan of the vertical foregrip, much preferring the regular Mk43, but still a cool gun.
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  11. Post #4171
    Taepodong-2's Avatar
    December 2009
    13,335 Posts

    (thumbed for size)
    pew

    Edited:

    also I found out the hard way that Ender was right about the gun sometimes randomly firing when you put the mag in:
    I hope you bring this to Mason Relic, I want to see one of those in action in real life.
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  12. Post #4172
    PAST TENSE DIG
    deathmog's Avatar
    October 2007
    7,667 Posts
    I spend a day at the field with my brother's RPK drum mag in my AKM, was a ton of fun, especially since my AK gets sweet range :V
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  13. Post #4173
    Gold Member
    Stupideye's Avatar
    October 2006
    12,424 Posts
    I hope you bring this to Mason Relic, I want to see one of those in action in real life.
    ye I'll probably bring all my AK's
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  14. Post #4174
    Year_of_Lurking's Avatar
    June 2009
    465 Posts

    new ayy kay. Thing on the stock isn't a sling, it just stops the cow bell.
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  15. Post #4175
    your all nerdes
    the_killer24's Avatar
    November 2007
    13,873 Posts
    I got the M60 over an automatic rifle because it was a big, loud, unwieldy, long, cannon.

    am i stupid
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  16. Post #4176
    Year_of_Lurking's Avatar
    June 2009
    465 Posts
    No. airsoft is mostly aesthetics.
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  17. Post #4177
    masterchief6's Avatar
    November 2008
    1,705 Posts
    Tankmans new M60, pulled them from facebook
    Neat, imo

    i fucking love m-60's
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  18. Post #4178
    No such thing as overkill.
    catbarf's Avatar
    January 2007
    7,829 Posts
    I got the M60 over an automatic rifle because it was a big, loud, unwieldy, long, cannon.

    am i stupid
    Of course not, because there's more to airsoft than sheer practicality. My point was only that it is a simple fact that a rifle with the right parts can do everything a big, awkward, heavy MG can. That's why C-mag equipped SMGs and rifles are frowned upon as support guns, and many fields give 'real' MGs special rules. If C-mag M4s weren't as practical as dedicated MGs, there wouldn't be any negativity towards them.
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  19. Post #4179
    Taepodong-2's Avatar
    December 2009
    13,335 Posts

    new ayy kay. Thing on the stock isn't a sling, it just stops the cow bell.
    I want to see what that gun looks like with the bakelite mag in it.
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  20. Post #4180
    Year_of_Lurking's Avatar
    June 2009
    465 Posts
    okay sexy just 4 u
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  21. Post #4181
    Taepodong-2's Avatar
    December 2009
    13,335 Posts
    Bakelite mags with black polymer furniture looks surprisingly nice.
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  22. Post #4182
    Year_of_Lurking's Avatar
    June 2009
    465 Posts
    Ya I've always thought so. Ordered some bakelite midcaps for that reason.
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  23. Post #4183
    child porn prodigy
    venom's Avatar
    April 2005
    15,197 Posts
    Bakelite mags with black polymer furniture looks surprisingly nice.
    i always thought they looked awesome on black furniture, wanted to get a buttload of orange mags for my future 105
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  24. Post #4184
    wallyroberto_2's Avatar
    August 2011
    2,284 Posts
    ye I'll probably bring all my AK's
    You gonna use that at XT? I wanna see it go.
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  25. Post #4185
    Gold Member
    Stupideye's Avatar
    October 2006
    12,424 Posts
    You gonna use that at XT? I wanna see it go.
    no it shoots too hot for XT, I'll probably use my glock or my 74u
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  26. Post #4186
    Gold Member
    FloaterTWO's Avatar
    November 2008
    7,013 Posts
    Got a new stock tube for my M4, one step closer to making it look neat and shiny and brand new.

    Just got to paint over some massive scratches on the barrel where the front sight sits and it'll be lovely.

    also, i suddenly discovered my gun no longer hates lowcaps and midcaps so i can actually move on from annoying rattly high caps and start being "several hundred 30rd mags man"
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  27. Post #4187
    Uncle Bourbon's Avatar
    November 2011
    4,752 Posts
    i want that handguard
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  28. Post #4188
    POOP DICKS
    Dark Descent's Avatar
    August 2008
    4,902 Posts


    Restaining the wood on my gun. my next two projects are the pistol grip and the magazines
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  29. Post #4189
    I HATE COFFEE
    jomt1234's Avatar
    April 2009
    8,338 Posts
    Sorry, but that looks like shit, hopefully it's not done?
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  30. Post #4190
    POOP DICKS
    Dark Descent's Avatar
    August 2008
    4,902 Posts
    Its all the finish sanded off lol
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  31. Post #4191
    Otherworldy Aviation Enthusiast
    Flyboi's Avatar
    May 2007
    663 Posts
    Recently bought a pristine condition second hand HK SL9 with a few auto winding G36 mags and an awesome scope. Weighs a ton, I can't wait to take this to a skirmish.

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  32. Post #4192
    POOP DICKS
    Dark Descent's Avatar
    August 2008
    4,902 Posts


    Y/N?
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  33. Post #4193
    Ninja101 is m̶y̶ ̶f̶a̶v̶o̶u̶r̶i̶t̶e̶ ̶m̶o̶d̶ a pancake face
    FreddiRox!'s Avatar
    January 2010
    5,105 Posts
    Teehee!
    And I'm still waiting on my Grip Pod to arrive D:
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  34. Post #4194
    Dumpster Duke
    Back_Slash's Avatar
    July 2009
    12,347 Posts
    why
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  35. Post #4195
    Ninja101 is m̶y̶ ̶f̶a̶v̶o̶u̶r̶i̶t̶e̶ ̶m̶o̶d̶ a pancake face
    FreddiRox!'s Avatar
    January 2010
    5,105 Posts
    Because rails
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  36. Post #4196
    Year_of_Lurking's Avatar
    June 2009
    465 Posts
    Uh..tbh tacticooling an ak47 (over say a 74) is dumb. Especially since you said it was broken, why not just fix what needed fixed?
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  37. Post #4197
    Ninja101 is m̶y̶ ̶f̶a̶v̶o̶u̶r̶i̶t̶e̶ ̶m̶o̶d̶ a pancake face
    FreddiRox!'s Avatar
    January 2010
    5,105 Posts
    The stock is broken, everything works fine.

    This is just my tactic00l gun. For my brithday I'm going to get a AK74U which I'm going to get a real wood kit for or a Ak74

    http://www.zerooneairsoft.com/produc...oducts_id=6346
    http://www.zerooneairsoft.com/produc...oducts_id=6347
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  38. Post #4198
    Year_of_Lurking's Avatar
    June 2009
    465 Posts
    oh jesus no. don't get aps. any clone but that
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  39. Post #4199
    POOP DICKS
    Dark Descent's Avatar
    August 2008
    4,902 Posts
    To the disagrees, what needs to change?
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  40. Post #4200
    Ninja101 is m̶y̶ ̶f̶a̶v̶o̶u̶r̶i̶t̶e̶ ̶m̶o̶d̶ a pancake face
    FreddiRox!'s Avatar
    January 2010
    5,105 Posts
    oh jesus no. don't get aps. any clone but that
    What's wrong with APS - My current AK is a G&G :L
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