1. Post #2681
    Just using an image with an alt tag isn't a great alternative.
    That isn't an alternative, it's the right way to do it. Google has pretty much explicitly told people not to do that to hide text for SEO purposes. It's strange that they're doing it on their own website, but that absolutely does not mean it's the right way to do it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBLvn_WkDJ4
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  2. Post #2682
    iamacyborg's Avatar
    January 2011
    285 Posts
    That isn't an alternative, it's the right way to do it. Google has pretty much explicitly told people not to do that to hide text for SEO purposes. It's strange that they're doing it on their own website, but that absolutely does not mean it's the right way to do it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBLvn_WkDJ4
    Until Google can provide a worthwhile alternative that lets webmasters use the H1 tag properly, people will continue to hide text using a variety of methods.

    I've never actually heard of anyone using the text indent technique getting penalised by G, the only exceptions are when people are seriously using it to stuff a bunch of keywords into a page.

    Google also needs to rethink their attitude towards this method with people that use sprites for stuff like navigation.
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  3. Post #2683
    Using h1 for your logo isn't necessary in the first place, that's what the title tag is for. I highly doubt that the name of the website is the most important piece of information for describing what a specific page is actually about anyways, which is what should be in your h1 tag.

    Code:
    <head><title>my company</title></head><body><h1>my company</h1></body>
    is not nearly as semantically rich as

    Code:
    <head><title>my company</title></head><body><h1>About my company</h1></body>
    Edited:

    I'm not saying it's bad to use for things like CSS spiriting, but if you're doing negative text indents with the intention of it helping your SEO, you're wasting your time.
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  4. Post #2684
    iamacyborg's Avatar
    January 2011
    285 Posts
    Using h1 for your logo isn't necessary in the first place, that's what the title tag is for. I highly doubt that the name of the website is the most important piece of information for describing what a specific page is actually about anyways, which is what should be in your h1 tag.

    Code:
    <head><title>my company</title></head><body><h1>my company</h1></body>
    is not nearly as semantically rich as

    Code:
    <head><title>my company</title></head><body><h1>About my company</h1></body>
    Edited:

    I'm not saying it's bad to use for things like CSS spiriting, but if you're doing negative text indents with the intention of it helping your SEO, you're wasting your time.
    You're completely right with the first point, which is why a lot of sites use the h1 tag for their site's logo on the homepage, and then whatever is more relevant on any subpages.

    The title tag is always going to be an important factor for SEO, but for a homepage, having your site's name (company name or whatever) in both the title and the h1 tags as per your first example is always going to be a good thing, even if it's less semantically correct.
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  5. Post #2685
    Follow me on github!
    benjojo's Avatar
    January 2009
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    I have access to 3 different browsers with 4 different os'
    Why not use Adobe Browser lab?
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  6. Post #2686
    I'd expect that in most cases you could still find better content for your h1 tag on your home page than your company name. Say I'm making a piano lessons website for a company called LearnKeys. Having something like "Piano lessons in Potland, Oregon" in your h1 tag is probably going to help your SEO more than the company name.
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  7. Post #2687
    iamacyborg's Avatar
    January 2011
    285 Posts
    Possibly, but then that depends entirely on what your website is for and what niche you're in.

    An ecommerce site is going to have different needs to a blog to a services website to whatever. A good SEO would be able to advise best practices based on the clients recommendations.
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  8. Post #2688
    Look at it this way. The aim of SEO is to assist people who don't know about your website in finding it. Chances are if someone already knows what your company name is and you're not an idiot with a domain name that has nothing to do with your company or a name like "square", they will be able to find you regardless of whether you're pushing hard SEO for your company's name.

    Say your company is newegg. If I already know your company name and I am looking for your website, I'm going to find it no problem by typing newegg in to google, or "newegg computer parts" if I don't already know that the website is popular enough that it's going to show at the top. Now what happens if I don't know about your company and I want to search for "buy computer parts online" or something similar. If I do that search and your SEO is focused on "newegg" and not "computer parts" you've just completely missed your target.

    If I'm looking for a home improvement blog and your blog is called housefixers I'm not going to spontaneously decide to type your company's name, I'm going to search for "home improvement blog" or "home improvement articles" or something along those lines.

    If you can give any examples that are contrary to the point I'm making I'd love to hear them, but I honestly don't see any situations where what I'm saying doesn't apply.
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  9. Post #2689
    zzlawlzz's Avatar
    July 2010
    1,750 Posts
    Why not use Adobe Browser lab?
    I do. When I'm at home.
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  10. Post #2690
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    December 2006
    2,665 Posts
    Can anyone recommend a better font? I tried Helvetica but couldn't get it to look how I wanted.
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  11. Post #2691
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    Fizzadar's Avatar
    June 2010
    1,247 Posts
    <h1> is for the page title (post title, thread title, etc) NOT the site title (title tag anyone?).

    Though on the homepage I would agree (in most cases) that upon having the site title (with a bit about the site also) in the h1.
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  12. Post #2692
    zzlawlzz's Avatar
    July 2010
    1,750 Posts
    Can anyone recommend a better font? I tried Helvetica but couldn't get it to look how I wanted.
    it depends on what kind of theme you want to have. Just saying "better font" doesn't help.

    I suggest google fonts or dafont
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  13. Post #2693
    Gold Member
    nos217's Avatar
    December 2006
    2,665 Posts
    it depends on what kind of theme you want to have. Just saying "better font" doesn't help.

    I suggest google fonts or dafont
    I found a really nice serif font which I think I'm going to use. Thanks.
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  14. Post #2694
    iamacyborg's Avatar
    January 2011
    285 Posts
    <h1> is for the page title (post title, thread title, etc) NOT the site title (title tag anyone?).

    Though on the homepage I would agree (in most cases) that upon having the site title (with a bit about the site also) in the h1.
    In most cases though, you're better off having the page title in your title tag as well.
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  15. Post #2695
    italian
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    June 2011
    2,645 Posts


    Lol Bethesda
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  16. Post #2696
    The site is nice, but it relies solely on JavaScript.
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  17. Post #2697
    italian
    TerabyteS_'s Avatar
    June 2011
    2,645 Posts
    The site is nice, but it relies solely on JavaScript.
    That's no good. A site like that could have been made to work without js very easily.
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  18. Post #2698
    ~ ducks ~
    Kwaq's Avatar
    April 2011
    2,329 Posts
    That's no good. A site like that could have been made to work without js very easily.
    nazi parade against the js
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  19. Post #2699
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    StinkyJoe's Avatar
    June 2006
    2,196 Posts
    That's no good. A site like that could have been made to work without js very easily.
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  20. Post #2700
    italian
    TerabyteS_'s Avatar
    June 2011
    2,645 Posts
    nazi parade against the js
    I'm not really against js, I use it and love it too. But if you have to do fancy stuff you also have to have a fallback for the people who are not able to see the fancy stuff.

    Edited:

    Would anyone like me to release the code behind the IsitGo page? I think it might be a good example of how to do stuff without having to rely solely on javascript.
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  21. Post #2701
    Dotmister's Avatar
    May 2008
    898 Posts
    I'm not really against js, I use it and love it too. But if you have to do fancy stuff you also have to have a fallback for the people who are not able to see the fancy stuff.

    Edited:

    Would anyone like me to release the code behind the IsitGo page? I think it might be a good example of how to do stuff without having to rely solely on javascript.
    The site looks nice, but it's so annoying to navigate. When you click a second link whilst the first is still scrolling down it just ignores your input.. Alongside the fact it doesn't auto complete when you click if you're in a hurry or just not interested in seeing the same animation for the 20th time it's quite frustrating.
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  22. Post #2702
    Dennab
    November 2010
    4,519 Posts
    My site is playing nicely with phones now.
    Is...
    Code:
    @media only screen and (max-device-width: 800px) {
    the best way to go, or is there another non JS way that works 100% of the time?

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  23. Post #2703
    hzy
    Gold Member
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    January 2009
    1,945 Posts
    I'm not really against js, I use it and love it too. But if you have to do fancy stuff you also have to have a fallback for the people who are not able to see the fancy stuff.

    Edited:

    Would anyone like me to release the code behind the IsitGo page? I think it might be a good example of how to do stuff without having to rely solely on javascript.
    yo don't really need to release frontend code... we have it in our browsers.
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  24. Post #2704
    italian
    TerabyteS_'s Avatar
    June 2011
    2,645 Posts
    The site looks nice, but it's so annoying to navigate. When you click a second link whilst the first is still scrolling down it just ignores your input.. Alongside the fact it doesn't auto complete when you click if you're in a hurry or just not interested in seeing the same animation for the 20th time it's quite frustrating.
    It ignores input because if a user clicked on multiple flags consequently it would have started a loop where it would animate through all of the pages clicked. It jist occurred to me that I could have used .stop(). Anyway what would you suggest for the 2nd issue? Stop showing animations after a few page loads?

    Edited:

    yo don't really need to release frontend code... we have it in our browsers.
    Right. Silly me though there's a bit of backend to handle users with no js.
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  25. Post #2705
    It has been 5 minutes of gruesome fight with <option> tags to output the attribute of the id.

    It has been worth the wait in doing so.



    Link to it: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6917336/vircurcalc.html

    NOTE: Nothing works yet, I have to recode the calculator(); function like it should be and there is going to be number buttons, so I need a nice sprite that shows as a keyboard button and a background of the keyboard but only the keypad part. Also, trying to give some fancy format, but it looks like I'm going in the wrong way.
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  26. Post #2706
    Gold Member
    toaster468's Avatar
    January 2010
    3,260 Posts
    Just working on this login system:



    If you wana test it out: click here
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  27. Post #2707
    Known Havok's Avatar
    September 2011
    166 Posts
    Don't really want to make thread but here's a 20yr old web developer with a Lamborghini and an Audi R8.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/RobertHimler
    http://www.roberthimler.com

    And I believe this is his site
    http://razzi.me



    Just thought it was interesting.
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  28. Post #2708
    i'd like an Audi R8
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  29. Post #2709
    mcskinsearch
    hacksore's Avatar
    February 2010
    1,054 Posts
    Don't really want to make thread but here's a 20yr old web developer with a Lamborghini and an Audi R8.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/RobertHimler
    http://www.roberthimler.com

    And I believe this is his site
    http://razzi.me



    Just thought it was interesting.
    This is not what you are working on.
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  30. Post #2710
    Known Havok's Avatar
    September 2011
    166 Posts
    This is not what you are working on.
    Where else do I post this
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  31. Post #2711
    secretly a furry
    Jelly's Avatar
    April 2011
    2,023 Posts
    Where else do I post this
    You don't.
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  32. Post #2712
    Known Havok's Avatar
    September 2011
    166 Posts
    Fine I just whipped this together in 10 minutes with my fresh new shiny CSS knowledge

    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18280917/cleanwhite/index.html

    Edited:

    And yeah, it is inspired by

    Just working on this login system:



    If you wana test it out: click here
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  33. Post #2713
    Mexican Moderator
    anton's Avatar
    May 2009
    1,737 Posts
    Just working on this login system:



    If you wana test it out: click here
    please don't ever use center tags
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  34. Post #2714
    Gold Member
    StinkyJoe's Avatar
    June 2006
    2,196 Posts
    This is not what you are working on.
    Back when I was a youngin', we all agreed that WAYWO also doubles as a general (and tangentially webdev-related) chat, as long as it doesn't disrupt the original purpose of the thread.

    In other news, I'm going to sleep and not even bother taking my clothes off after working on a project for over 12 hours non-stop.
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  35. Post #2715
    Glorious GNU/Linux Master Race
    kaukassus's Avatar
    May 2010
    5,713 Posts
    Just working on this login system:



    If you wana test it out: click here
    what happened to the bottom?

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  36. Post #2716
    BrettJay's Avatar
    October 2007
    608 Posts
    I just learned from turb that Garry has replaced my Garrysmod.com design with his own on Tumblr



    :saddowns:
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  37. Post #2717
    Dennab
    November 2010
    4,519 Posts
    I just learned from turb that Garry has replaced my Garrysmod.com design with his own on Tumblr



    :saddowns:
    Yours looks far better... His is wasting space.

    Edited:

    Got a little more done.
    Everything is going to be inside width independent vertically scrolling boxes like the ones shown.

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  38. Post #2718
    italian
    TerabyteS_'s Avatar
    June 2011
    2,645 Posts
    I just learned from turb that Garry has replaced my Garrysmod.com design with his own on Tumblr



    :saddowns:
    Oh no the new one is so ugly.
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  39. Post #2719
    Gold Member
    StinkyJoe's Avatar
    June 2006
    2,196 Posts
    I just learned from turb that Garry has replaced my Garrysmod.com design with his own on Tumblr



    :saddowns:
    Hey you want me to go and beat him up for you, BrettJay? I'll do it, I'll mess up that ugly tea-sipping mug for ya, hun.
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  40. Post #2720
    Dennab
    November 2010
    4,519 Posts
    Nothing is aligned and it has excessive amounts of white space.
    Brett's actually used space efficiently instead of slopping elements around the page.
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