1. Post #921
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    EliteGuy's Avatar
    November 2006
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    Beta Tester Q/A

    Q:
    Do classes with bolt action rifles also have pistols too?

    A:
    They're an unlockable for all classes, yes. Less frustrating for riflemen who get stuck in close combat this way.

    Q:
    How many maps have you tried in the beta and more importantly, are they good? Do you get the sense of certain maps becoming instant classics?

    A:
    All 10 maps. I think they're all pretty good, though I haven't played them all extensively.

    Q:
    Is the classic RO atmosphere still there? Are the battles long, tense and bloody?

    A:
    Yes, it feels like Red Orchestra with better graphics!

    Q:
    Has the game been 'consolised' at all? As in, anything that feels toned down compared to the first game in order to try and reach the modern fps crows? Running speed, iron sight speed, things like that?

    A:
    No, it doesn't feel 'consolized' at all. However, they did merge the cover and bandage buttons last build but it works really well anyway, taking cover automatically bandages you now. Run speed and ironsight speed are actually faster.

    Q:
    What's with the low graphics in your screenshots?

    A:
    They aren't low settings exactly, however lots of the graphical options don't appear to do anything [yet].
    It looks like shadows are either on or off, detail seems to work, textures seem to work. post processing doesn't work. Using the Ultra preset doesn't work, so I'm going to assume anything that Ultra sets isn't in, and the difference between normal and high is extra objects on the ground and slightly higher texture resolution.

    Q:
    Can you give us an idea of some of the weaker points of the game? What needs improvement?

    A:
    The graphics aren't that amazing, because they're not a huge studio. I also dislike Countdown with small numbers of players.

    Q:
    How will players give commands [aside from voice/chat?

    A:
    There will be a commo rose but the art is certainly not final yet.

    Q:
    The Grain Elevator map looks awesome, do you know how many stories of it are actually accessible to the player?

    A:
    You can go right up the top floor I believe. You see there is a balcony there? Shooting people from that is hilariously effective right now because not many people know it's there.

    Q:
    If you're severely wounded are you basically useless? Would it be better to just eat a grenade and respawn or can you still be useful to the team?

    A:
    If you're severely wounded you're going to die in a few seconds anyway, but you can still fire so its sometimes possible to take out the guy who killed you. Anything below a critical wound doesn't affect your performance past bleeding though, and that that limb will be easier to hurt next time.
    Basically though if you get into a firefight most of the time you're going to come out of it dead or uninjured, or maybe with a wound to bandage.
    [Pictured] - What you see as you start to bleed out. Doesn't really do it justice though. All colour drains away and your sound starts to fade out. That picture was about a second before I keeled over.

    Q:
    What does MG tracer fire look like now? I think I remember hearing that you guys were stepping away from the laser looking shit from RO1.

    A:
    They're ball tracers now. They only just got implemented and they look pretty neat. They also ricochet nicely.

    Q:
    How does the commander thing work? Does that person have to be glued to a radio the whole game? Can they do anything more than just calling in a spotter plane and artillery?

    A:
    They only have to be glued to the radio for the recon plane to work. They call in artillery, can place orders on the map (which you get points for following) and can force everyone who is dead to jump the respawn timer and respawn instantly.

    Q:
    Is there in-game voice chat?

    A:
    Yes, and the codec isn't fucking terrible either. You have 3 buttons, squad chat, team chat, and all chat.

    Q:
    I heard that your team's voices are in English while the enemy is in native language. Is this default?

    A:
    Yes, and will be default at launch too.

    Q:
    Based on what you have played which is better, RO1 or 2?

    A:
    I prefer RO2, as it plays like RO1 but with better graphics, less frustrating deaths, larger maps, and more players per map.

    Q:
    Let's talk gore!

    A:
    Gore is limb removal, bullethole decals on characters, and blood splatters on the floor and walls. Characters call out when they're shot, and the death animations are all ragdoll / animation composites, similar to Euphoria, but they're using PhysX instead so it doesn't totally murder your CPU. For example: Shoot a guy in the heart -> Blood splatters out behind him -> He drops his gun, clutches at his wound, and falls backwards -> He falls down the stairs he was climbing up. He comes to a rest at the bottom and sags as the life fades out of him.


    Q:
    Let's talk about the commander

    A:
    This is the commander UI [image]. If you bring up the map you can see this anywhere, but you can only force a respawn anywhere. If you use a radio you can call in artillery, and air recon
    Recon calls in a slow and low recon plane that will report to you the location of people it can see, if you are stood near a radio. You get these reports instantly, your squad leaders get them soon after you, and the people below that get them after the squad leaders.
    Artillery is designated using your binoculars, or your squad leaders, who can send you a recommended artillery target which you can accept.

    Q:
    Are there also decreasing penetration for tank Shells and the PTRS bullet the longer it gets fired?

    A:
    All guns penetrate worse and do less damage if their round travels for longer, not just tank and PTRS shells.

    Q:
    What's with the lack of footage?

    A:
    About maybe 2 weeks ago we had a journalist from PCGUS who was supposedly there filming footage, though he might have just been taking screenshots.

    Q:
    Do tanks have different ammo rounds?

    A:
    No, just AP, HE, and Smoke.
    RO1 did later add tanks with HEAT and stuff though, so probably the same will happen here.

    Q:
    How does destruction work?

    A:
    It's small scale stuff. Roofs can be blown off, non enterable houses can be destroyed, enterable houses can be visually damaged. There are also patches on internal walls where you can place a satchel and they will create a hole you can go through which is neat!

    Q: Why are you telling/showing us all this?

    A:
    Basically if tripwire is mad about this I will stop. I've been posting trying to sell the game to you guys, not in a clandestine way but because I genuinely enjoy the game and know you lot will too!

    Bonus:



    Part 2 coming soon!
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  2. Post #922
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    hypno-toad's Avatar
    October 2006
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    Go away guests, we dont tolerate your kind here!


    EliteGuy is going to be famous
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  3. Post #923
    I Faw Down's Avatar
    August 2011
    25 Posts
    Just to tell you guys, EliteGuy is not the guy actually leaking the screenshots. It's actually a guy that goes by Harold on 4chan's /v/ board. This guy is just c&p'ing everything from the guy on /v/. EliteGuy is even using what he's said for his Q&A.

    Now Harold is refusing to post more screenshots because he doesn't want Eliteguy posting them here, claiming they're his.

    Oh, and by the way, the map is called Station, not Trainyard. Harold made the mistake of calling it that in his post, and then corrected himself...
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  4. Post #924
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    September 2008
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    Uh, he never claimed they're his

    please go
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  5. Post #925
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    August 2008
    4,598 Posts
    no one is claiming they're his, we just don't want to go to /v/ for what can just be posted here
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  6. Post #926
    wow ok
    Teh Zip File's Avatar
    December 2007
    16,449 Posts
    Sounds like he's in it for the attention and not sharing information.

    EliteGuy also never said they're his anyway.
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  7. Post #927
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    Dennab
    June 2009
    17,111 Posts
    I don't like the idea of every class having pistols tbh.
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  8. Post #928
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    October 2005
    2,644 Posts
    He is in it for attention. Notice how he whines about someone else pasting their greenmangaming referral link for RO2 over his.

    EliteGuy is only copy pasting information and not saying that it's his.

    Harold is just a butt hurt faggot who posts things under NDA and pisses off the Devs.
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  9. Post #929
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    October 2006
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    Just to tell you guys, EliteGuy is not the guy actually leaking the screenshots. It's actually a guy that goes by Harold on 4chan's /v/ board. This guy is just c&p'ing everything from the guy on /v/. EliteGuy is even using what he's said for his Q&A.

    Now Harold is refusing to post more screenshots because he doesn't want Eliteguy posting them here, claiming they're his.

    Oh, and by the way, the map is called Station, not Trainyard. Harold made the mistake of calling it that in his post, and then corrected himself...
    YOU. But yeah, we all knew that. EliteGuy said they were from v multiple times, but its a nice forward here so people dont need to lurk through the depths of 4chan.

    Edited:

    I don't like the idea of every class having pistols tbh.
    Takes me back to the days of RnL where you'd hear a white noise of people switching from their K98's to their P38 walthers before they step into dead mans corner or lafiere
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  10. Post #930
    wow ok
    Teh Zip File's Avatar
    December 2007
    16,449 Posts
    I don't like the idea of every class having pistols tbh.
    Better than trying to use a bolt action rifle in an urban map when all the other classes are taken.

    Sure, hipfiring and getting a kill is awesome, but if you miss you're dead.
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  11. Post #931
    SwissArmyKnife's Avatar
    December 2009
    1,498 Posts
    Better than trying to use a bolt action rifle in an urban map when all the other classes are taken.

    Sure, hipfiring and getting a kill is awesome, but if you miss you're dead.
    I was ecstatic when I realized I had the option between a Kak98 and the Gewehr in Darkest Hour.
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  12. Post #932
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    Dennab
    September 2010
    8,080 Posts
    For anyone looking for something to use for voice chat or something. There is the mumble server that I posted and it's in the OP. You can all use it as much as you like, The owner does not mind.

    ip 66.135.59.124

    port 2737
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  13. Post #933
    Reimu's Avatar
    July 2010
    5,173 Posts
    This thread is about RO2, not BF3.
    Oh, I thought the discussion above was about BF3. Later reread and found they were talking about RO2, sorry guys!

    Edited:

    I think I got the point after the 2nd box though, thanks guys
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  14. Post #934
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    October 2006
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    Better than trying to use a bolt action rifle in an urban map when all the other classes are taken.

    Sure, hipfiring and getting a kill is awesome, but if you miss you're dead.
    Or, you know, they could have just made the bayonet a more viable option.

    Bayonetting somebody in RO was a lot harder than it should have been, considering you needed to deal with the ballistic lag and the comparably unresponsive controls. Hitting somebody with the end of a stick is not very hard, even if they are moving around.
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  15. Post #935
    I love Scandinavians and Ducks
    Thechuz1337's Avatar
    August 2007
    4,235 Posts
    Bullet decals on bodies, fuck yes.
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  16. Post #936
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    December 2009
    1,498 Posts
    Or, you know, they could have just made the bayonet a more viable option.

    Bayonetting somebody in RO was a lot harder than it should have been, considering you needed to deal with the ballistic lag and the comparably unresponsive controls. Hitting somebody with the end of a stick is not very hard, even if they are moving around.
    Well you do have to stick an enemy with it, you can't just whack em and have it do anything more than bruise. If you botch that initial charge with a bayonet the other person wouldn't make it easy for you to get a stab in again.

    But this a video game, and the bayonets and melee in general could have been a lot better.
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  17. Post #937
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    October 2006
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    Well you do have to stick an enemy with it, you can't just whack em and have it do anything more than bruise. If you botch that initial charge with a bayonet the other person wouldn't make it easy for you to get a stab in again.

    But this a video game, and the bayonets and melee in general could have been a lot better.
    Likewise your enemy wont be able to reload his gun.. or even point it accurately really if your waving a giant knife stick around his face.

    Yeah, in general it just kind of sucked. Even if you did stab them in the chest, it wouldn't necessarily have an effect on them beyond damage.
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  18. Post #938
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    December 2009
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    Likewise your enemy wont be able to reload his gun.. or even point it accurately really if your waving a giant knife stick around his face.

    Yeah, in general it just kind of sucked. Even if you did stab them in the chest, it wouldn't necessarily have an effect on them beyond damage.
    I think most close quarters fights between two guys with rifles ended up being slug fests with the butt of their guns or fists, or possibly utility knives they had. A bayonet was pretty much good for making you feel better, throwing your shot off, and the occasional stab if you can line it up perfectly.

    Which is why you don't see any modern bayonets used much at all. A pistol is just infinitely more useful.
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  19. Post #939
    Dennab
    July 2009
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    Better than trying to use a bolt action rifle in an urban map when all the other classes are taken.

    Sure, hipfiring and getting a kill is awesome, but if you miss you're dead.
    yes but in urban maps, a few weeks after release all it will be is pistols vs machine guns
    which is gay
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  20. Post #940
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    October 2006
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    I think most close quarters fights between two guys with rifles ended up being slug fests with the butt of their guns or fists, or possibly utility knives they had. A bayonet was pretty much good for making you feel better, throwing your shot off, and the occasional stab if you can line it up perfectly.

    Which is why you don't see any modern bayonets used much at all. A pistol is just infinitely more useful.
    But pistols weren't issued to rifleman. Like, at all.

    Hell you'd even be hardpressed to find an officer carrying his pistol. I know the game isn't uber-realism, but thats a pretty glaring issue.
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  21. Post #941

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    I think most close quarters fights between two guys with rifles ended up being slug fests with the butt of their guns or fists, or possibly utility knives they had. A bayonet was pretty much good for making you feel better, throwing your shot off, and the occasional stab if you can line it up perfectly.

    Which is why you don't see any modern bayonets used much at all. A pistol is just infinitely more useful.
    No, it's cause the majority of modern weapons are automatic.
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  22. Post #942
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    November 2006
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    I don't take credit for anything I posted, I just brought it here and organized all the questions into a big QA
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  23. Post #943
    ASK ME ABOUT HOW AWESOME OPERA IS AND HOW FIREFOX/IE RIPPED IT OFF THEN TELL ME HOW MUCH YOU DON'T GIVE A FUCK
    Gunrun247's Avatar
    December 2005
    81 Posts
    yes but in urban maps, a few weeks after release all it will be is pistols vs machine guns
    which is gay
    How exactly will it be like that?
    Machineguns are extremely limited.
    Or are you saying you expect riflemen with pistols to be able to beat an LMG?
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  24. Post #944
    Dennab
    July 2009
    7,284 Posts
    How exactly will it be like that?
    Machineguns are extremely limited.
    Or are you saying you expect riflemen with pistols to be able to beat an LMG?
    basically i'm saying that there won't be many bolt action rifles(used as primaries) on urban maps. because no one will want to use them in houses, so they'll all just switch to the pistol.
    8 shots are better than 1
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  25. Post #945
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    December 2007
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    Will there be times where someone goes straight to ragdoll when you shoot them? I can't remember when watching gameplay videos, because there seemed to alway be animations first.

    In my opinion, this just makes everyone look robotic. Especially when the transition from animation to ragdoll don't seamlessly blend.
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  26. Post #946
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    February 2010
    643 Posts
    i honestly cant wait to make a level for this game. i love working with unrealED but theres not games i love that use it D:
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  27. Post #947
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    October 2006
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    When I get my hands on the SDK, Im going to make a combined arms trench warfare map.

    I dont know why, but charging trench lines in a panzer (or firing an AT gun at distant tanks and infantry) just seems totally awesome. Gonna be intense with the new damage system for tanks.
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  28. Post #948
    ASK ME ABOUT HOW AWESOME OPERA IS AND HOW FIREFOX/IE RIPPED IT OFF THEN TELL ME HOW MUCH YOU DON'T GIVE A FUCK
    Gunrun247's Avatar
    December 2005
    81 Posts
    basically i'm saying that there won't be many bolt action rifles(used as primaries) on urban maps. because no one will want to use them in houses, so they'll all just switch to the pistol.
    8 shots are better than 1
    Those 8 are going to be really not powerful, and inaccurate as hell. At most you'll most likely cause your target to start bleeding out, and then he'll burst you down with his gun before he keels over.
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  29. Post #949
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    December 2009
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    But pistols weren't issued to rifleman. Like, at all.

    Hell you'd even be hardpressed to find an officer carrying his pistol. I know the game isn't uber-realism, but thats a pretty glaring issue.
    The US government commissioned 1.9 million M1911's during WW2, and I'm pretty sure most GIs were issued a pistol. I can't say for the Wehrmacht or the Red Army because I can't find any commission statistics, but going on the US most soldiers had a pistol.

    No, it's cause the majority of modern weapons are automatic.
    I meant it more that bayonets are fairly useless in close quarters, not that a pistol would be your best option.
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  30. Post #950
    Iggy the mean Piggy
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    September 2007
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    so I just spent 5 hours playing and streaming RO1. It was hella fun and honestly at a few moments I felt like I was really in the battle. Like in one map me and my buddy were in some underground tunnels/trenches which had some doors to the outside world. We saw one Nazi bastard run past to the right so we went after him and.. he nearly killed my buddy, that sneaky bastard, but I shot him! Hah! But OH FUCKING SHIT MY FRIEND JUST BLEW UP FROM AN ARTILLERY ROUND IN MY FACE OH GOD THE HORROR
    I nearly started hyperventilating jesus beholy fuck
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  31. Post #951
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    The US government commissioned 1.9 million M1911's during WW2, and I'm pretty sure most GIs were issued a pistol. I can't say for the Wehrmacht or the Red Army because I can't find any commission statistics, but going on the US most soldiers had a pistol.



    I meant it more that bayonets are fairly useless in close quarters, not that a pistol would be your best option.
    only NCOs and officers were carrying pistols, in the US army
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  32. Post #952
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    so I just spent 5 hours playing and streaming RO1. It was hella fun and honestly at a few moments I felt like I was really in the battle. Like in one map me and my buddy were in some underground tunnels/trenches which had some doors to the outside world. We saw one Nazi bastard run past to the right so we went after him and.. he nearly killed my buddy, that sneaky bastard, but I shot him! Hah! But OH FUCKING SHIT MY FRIEND JUST BLEW UP FROM AN ARTILLERY ROUND IN MY FACE OH GOD THE HORROR
    I nearly started hyperventilating jesus beholy fuck
    You might not know this but RO1 isn't just a game.


    It's real life.
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  33. Post #953
    SwissArmyKnife's Avatar
    December 2009
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    so I just spent 5 hours playing and streaming RO1. It was hella fun and honestly at a few moments I felt like I was really in the battle. Like in one map me and my buddy were in some underground tunnels/trenches which had some doors to the outside world. We saw one Nazi bastard run past to the right so we went after him and.. he nearly killed my buddy, that sneaky bastard, but I shot him! Hah! But OH FUCKING SHIT MY FRIEND JUST BLEW UP FROM AN ARTILLERY ROUND IN MY FACE OH GOD THE HORROR
    I nearly started hyperventilating jesus beholy fuck
    There've been times were I've been a lot more immersed in RO than I have been in a lot of other games. It helps to try and imagine what it'd smell like weirdly enough. Cold air, dirt from an artillery strike. That sort of thing.

    only NCOs and officers were carrying pistols, in the US army
    I'll believe you, I can't find any information on it. Definitely wouldn't want to be a soldier in a building with a K98 then.
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  34. Post #954
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    Dennab
    June 2009
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    Shit wrong thread. I was supposed to post that somewhere else.
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  35. Post #955
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    March 2006
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    Beta Tester Q/A

    Q:
    Do classes with bolt action rifles also have pistols too?

    A:
    They're an unlockable for all classes, yes. Less frustrating for riflemen who get stuck in close combat this way.
    Don't know if I like this one. missing with rifle at close range against another rifleman was kinda intense especially if they missed their shot too.
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  36. Post #956
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    June 2009
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    Don't know if I like this one. missing with rifle at close range against another rifleman was kinda intense especially if they missed their shot too.
    Plus bayonets have now become far less useful, now people will just switch to their pistol.
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  37. Post #957
    Iggy the mean Piggy
    Legolas's Avatar
    September 2007
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    Plus bayonets have now become far less useful, now people will just switch to their pistol.
    Operation Facepunch will still have bayonet charges VV
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  38. Post #958
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    November 2008
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    should be able to slice with a bayonet, just go buck wild at their face and you can't lose!
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  39. Post #959
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    August 2008
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    If you already have a bayonet on you'd have the advantage, it takes time to switch to a pistol
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  40. Post #960
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    June 2009
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    Wow, we just reached 100+ people. This reminds me of when Crysis 2 got leaked here and the forums were flooded with guests.
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