1. Post #41
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    It is also a way to comfort a widow who has recently lost their husband in the battle for cancer, donating millions to the underprivileged across the globe and one of humanity's first steps to a proper civilization.
    And it also creates segregation, is telling people that AIDS is caused by condoms, and has let a lot of children get raped by those to whom their care was entrusted.
    But hey, at least it comforts some people right?

  2. Post #42
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    But a lot of people would argue that the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John would be truthful because they're basically eye-witness accounts of Jesus' life and the majority of the events that are described in them have been proven by historians to be true.
    Jesus could very well have existed, but I think he was an ordinary man whose followers made him out to be the Messias and shit.

  3. Post #43
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    Telling Religion is bad because it has no logic is like saying food is bad because it nourishes you. It's not made to have a logic, it's made to give people comfort where science can't pretend to.
    People don't operate on logic though so how can you prove logic is that important?

    We have the skills to do so but every decision we make is not thought out logically.

  4. Post #44
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    Telling Religion is bad because it has no logic is like saying food is bad because it nourishes you. It's not made to have a logic, it's made to give people comfort where science can't pretend to.
    I can write a book about anything that defies logic. Are you going to believe in it despite its illogical nature because society tells you to?

  5. Post #45
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    Proving things is important, but how can you explain things like the creation of the universe?
    With science? I don't understand the question, but I'm positive that "God made it" isn't the right answer.

  6. Post #46
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    Believing in God isn't an answer to the origins of the universe. It begs more questions than answers. Who is God? Who made God? What was there before God existed?
    In general religions consider questions more important than answers, from what I've seen. At least that's true about the more "enlightened" religions.

  7. Post #47
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    Jesus could very well have existed, but I think he was an ordinary man whose followers made him out to be the Messias and shit.
    Jesus is in history books. His claims are what make his religion.

  8. Post #48
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    You don't always need evidence to prove something, this isn't CSI Miami. God's movements and his activities already proves him.
    No, that's science.

  9. Post #49
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    Jesus could very well have existed, but I think he was an ordinary man whose followers made him out to be the Messias and shit.
    How do you explain his miracles then?
    How do you explain his followers seeing him after his death on the cross?

  10. Post #50
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    Gods are a concept in the human mind that was designed so it cannot be argued with logic and reason, thus you can't prove or disprove the existance of gods.
    That's mainly the reason religion requires such heavy amounts of faith, you need to shut down logic to be able to believe in a god/gods.

    Personally I don't like the concept of a god, it just creates more questions that need to be answered.

  11. Post #51
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    With science? I don't understand the question, but I'm positive that "God made it" isn't the right answer.
    My point is without a real indisputable answer, people will make up another answer.

  12. Post #52
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    You don't always need evidence to prove something, this isn't CSI Miami. God's movements and his activities already proves him.
    That's wrong. You can't prove god exists, and you can't prove he doesn't. The whole point is having faith that an "unexplained" act is the result of god's will, the mere fact that the only thing telling you God did it is your faith makes it impossible to rightfully push other people to believe the same thing if they don't share the same faith as you in the first place.

  13. Post #53
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    Also about that " Religion is a way to move a mass of people", that doesn't goes in Muslims. Fuck those arab assholes, poluting this beautiful religion.

    (User was permabanned for this post ("Dumb" - garry))

  14. Post #54
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    You don't always need evidence to prove something, this isn't CSI Miami. God's movements and his activities already proves him.
    Prove that there isn't an invisible Penis in front of you.

    You also can't really sense it in any way, but it's there! I mean, this post claims so!

    Does this mean you have to accept this claim because you can't find evidence against it?

  15. Post #55
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    You don't always need evidence to prove something, this isn't CSI Miami. God's movements and his activities already proves him.
    Of course you do.

  16. Post #56
    With science? I don't understand the question, but I'm positive that "God made it" isn't the right answer.
    Garry,i completely agree with you this time.
    Also,science already answered that it was from big bang

  17. Post #57
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    You don't always need evidence to prove something, this isn't CSI Miami. God's movements and his activities already proves him.
    What movements and what activities? Please show me scientifically proven evidence of this.

    And yes, you do need evidence to prove something.

    Claims are not right until proven wrong with evidence..they are wrong until proven right with evidence.

  18. Post #58
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    Oh, right, so ignoring mountains of scientific evidence and saying we don't need logic is obviously something an educated person would do.
    Yeah but if you're religious and really believe in god, you would take "God's word" over human evidence. That's how religion works.

  19. Post #59
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    How do you explain his miracles then?
    How do you explain his followers seeing him after his death on the cross?
    Stories that were made up to make more people convert?

    On an unrelated note, this subforum was a brilliant idea Garry

  20. Post #60
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    I didn't say there was evidence specifically disproving god, I was saying there's evidence that contradicts claims in the bible which state that there is a god. Genesis says the world was created in a few days, science has proven that the world was not created over a few days, but over billions of years.



    So religion is exempt from the rules that bind everything else? Like physics and logic?

    If I wrote a book claiming that you need to have faith in something, and in my book I defied the laws of physics, made unscientific clams, and spouted a ton of illogic nonsense, does that make me valid because I'm writing about religion?
    Remember when I told you to stop lumping all Christians in with fundamentalists? Because you obviously weren't listening.

  21. Post #61
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    Of course you do.
    Psychology never provides sufficient evidence, so you can't prove a certain variable made someone behave the way they are and we know psychology exists.

  22. Post #62
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    How do you explain his miracles then?
    How do you explain his followers seeing him after his death on the cross?
    I saw David Blane hover 2 feet off the ground, it doesn't mean that he's the son of god. Or that he really did it.

  23. Post #63
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    Garry,i completely agree with you this time.
    Also,science already answered that it was from big bang
    Where did the elements of the big bang come from?

  24. Post #64
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    Claims are not right until proven wrong with evidence..they are wrong until proven right with evidence.
    I'd say they're neither right nor wrong until proven right or wrong.

  25. Post #65
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    Religion is something to cover up the unknown. The questions people always asked, like 'what happens after you die'

    Back in those times, people were afraid of the unknown. And now because of our achievments nowadays, the unknown isn't so frightening. So religion is becoming obsolete, it's had its time.

  26. Post #66
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    Stories that were made up to make more people convert?
    All the gospels describe these miracles from different people's account who actually saw these take place. And the fact that they're from different viewpoints with slight contradictions mean that there was no corroboration involved either.

  27. Post #67
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    Religion is something to cover up the unknown. The questions people always asked, like 'what happens after you die'

    Back in those times, people were afraid of the unknown. And now because of our achievments nowadays, the unknown isn't so frightening. So religion is becoming obsolete, it's had its time.
    We still don't know what happens after you die, so it's not quite obsolete yet.

  28. Post #68
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    All the gospels describe these miracles from different people's account who actually saw these take place. And the fact that they're from different viewpoints with slight contradictions mean that there was no corroboration involved either.
    >Implying the Bible wasn't altered later

  29. Post #69
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    Yeah but if you're religious and really believe in god, you would take "God's word" over human evidence. That's how religion works.
    Ok and if I wrote a book claiming that I am the mouth of god, my book has now taken priority over scientific evidence. With this im free to tell society what to do and I can say anyone who questions me is going to burn for eternity. My book is now more valid than scientific evidence right?

  30. Post #70
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    Religion is for fucking idiots

    Sorry, i had to say it.

  31. Post #71
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    I saw David Blane hover 2 feet off the ground, it doesn't mean that he's the son of god. Or that he really did it.
    Curing the blind and resurrecting the dead I think would be a bit harder to pull off.

  32. Post #72
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    Religion is something to cover up the unknown. The questions people always asked, like 'what happens after you die'

    Back in those times, people were afraid of the unknown. And now because of our achievments nowadays, the unknown isn't so frightening. So religion is becoming obsolete, it's had its time.
    It also teaches moral, and by teaching moral I mean discriminating against homosexuals etc.

  33. Post #73
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    The logic is basically "If you don't believe in what this book says, you will suffer eternal torture in Hell. You don't want to go to hell, do you? Proof? Yeahh... Oh look, this candle just lit up by itself."

  34. Post #74
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    Curing the blind and resurrecting the dead I think would be a bit harder to pull off.
    Sorry to say non of that was proven though.

  35. Post #75
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    Curing the blind and resurrecting the dead I think would be a bit harder to pull off.
    Do you have any evidence for that?

    And don't say the Bible

  36. Post #76
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    All the gospels describe these miracles from different people's account who actually saw these take place. And the fact that they're from different viewpoints with slight contradictions mean that there was no corroboration involved either.
    The problem I have with this was that these stories were written down after being told by mouth for 600 years. Even while writing everything down and with all our technology we still have a hard time being accurate about what happened 600 years ago.

  37. Post #77
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    Religion is for fucking idiots

    Sorry, i had to say it.
    I wouldn't call all of the narrow-minded idiots.

  38. Post #78
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    >Implying the Bible wasn't altered later
    We still have original versions of the gospels and other historical documents that say the same thing and were used to translate from

  39. Post #79
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    People who believe in religion are near sighted twats that think everything else that isn't written in their magic book will send you to hell.

  40. Post #80
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    All the gospels describe these miracles from different people's account who actually saw these take place. And the fact that they're from different viewpoints with slight contradictions mean that there was no corroboration involved either.
    Is all your evidence for religion 2000 years old?