1. Post #1
    Fight until death, shoot until empty.

    November 2009
    15,457 Posts
    If you have flown in the US within the last 10 years then you know all about the TSA. Before I go into my opinions about the government force lets get some background on the TSA for the 'foreigners' who have not been to the US and have only read about the TSA.

    Wikipedia posted:
    The TSA was created in response to the September 11, 2001, attacks. Its first administrator John Magaw was nominated by President Bush on December 10, 2001, and confirmed by the Senate the following January. The agency's proponents, including Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta, argued that a single federal agency would better protect air travel than the private companies who operated under contract to single airlines or groups of airlines that used a given terminal facility.
    The organization was charged with developing policies to protect U.S. transportation, especially in airport security and the prevention of aircraft hijacking.
    With state, local, and regional partners, the TSA oversees security for highways, railroads, buses, mass transit systems, pipelines, ports. However, the bulk of the TSA's efforts are in aviation security. The TSA is solely responsible for screening passengers and checked and carry-on baggage at 450 U.S. airports.
    Source

    At the time it looked like a good idea; it was an extra set of eyes on the pubic and was supposed to identify threats before they got fully into the airport. However, the TSA turned out to be nothing but a joke. There are countless cases of people saying that the TSA 'groped' them or touched them in inappropriate ways (This is not going to be a thread about the TSA's SOPs). So, how is the TSA funded? With our (tax) money of course. In 2011 alone their budget was roughly $8.1M USD. With that 8.1M USD you would think that they are doing something productive and keeping our skies safer. Right? I know that someone will post something like "its only 8 million dollars, that is nothing compared to some other government agencies" Which, it truthfully is. But what I'm getting at is it really worth it. I have heard little about the TSA actually catching some bomb or terrorist within the last few years.

    So, is it really worth the money to keep these people in the airports trying to find bombs 10 years later?

  2. Post #2
    Atlascore's Avatar
    June 2011
    8,627 Posts
    Even the creator of TSA said it was a waste of time and money and that it should be dismantled and replaced with Air Marshall's.

    http://www.facepunch.com/threads/112...=TSA+dismantle

  3. Post #3
    RAPISTS ARE OPPRESSED
    mobrockers2's Avatar
    April 2011
    12,403 Posts
    Wasn't the last terrorist caught by a Dutch Tourist?
    He was probably 'touched' afterwards as well.

  4. Post #4
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    AugustBurnsRed's Avatar
    May 2009
    5,604 Posts
    I know two people who have worked for the TSA and both of them completely agree it's a waste of the consumer's time and their favorite part of the job was getting promotions and raises for being a bigger cunt than the next agent.

  5. Post #5
    Fight until death, shoot until empty.

    November 2009
    15,457 Posts
    I know two people who have worked for the TSA and both of them completely agree it's a waste of the consumer's time and their favorite part of the job was getting promotions and raises for being a bigger cunt than the next agent.
    That, doesnt surprise me at all.

  6. Post #6
    King of the Oil Refinery
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    December 2008
    6,212 Posts
    I think TSA was sort of a good response, but its so much paranoia in it, I like it in Europe, just throw your stuff in a basket and go through a scanner

    It should just need 15 people per airport to manage it

    a few at the scanner, and some to go in if something happens, service people etc

    But they should seriously stop stopping people for fucking crayons, toothpicks, etc

  7. Post #7
    Terminutter's Avatar
    June 2010
    6,198 Posts
    You have to question if the TSA and similar organisation's existences is playing into the terror aspect of terrorists. One could say that the existance of them is actually a victory for Al Quaida and similar organisations.
    Also, aren't Air Marshals much more effective? I'd think that they would be, along with more cost effective.
    Of course, some security is needed at the airport itself, it's just a excessive at the moment.
    I went to Gatwick airport (London) recently, and that was really nice and relaxed, whilst still seeming effective. Was going back home from Orlando International Airport 2 weeks later, and it's shoes off, jackets off, watch off and so on.

  8. Post #8
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    Dennab
    June 2009
    1,031 Posts
    If there was a TSA on sept 11th then there might not have been two towers collapsed and thousands of deaths.

    A few minutes of your time is worth it I think; also the money spent on it is a tiny fraction compared to the behemoth US military spending so why not focus on that since they clearly haven't even accomplished anything in the past 10 years.

  9. Post #9
    Terminutter's Avatar
    June 2010
    6,198 Posts
    If there was a TSA on sept 11th then there might not have been two towers collapsed and thousands of deaths.
    If there was an air marshal on the plane on sept 11th then there might not have been two towers collapsed and thousands of deaths.
    Seems just as effective, but cheaper.

  10. Post #10
    RAPISTS ARE OPPRESSED
    mobrockers2's Avatar
    April 2011
    12,403 Posts
    If there was a TSA on sept 11th then there might not have been two towers collapsed and thousands of deaths.

    A few minutes of your time is worth it I think; also the money spent on it is a tiny fraction compared to the behemoth US military spending so why not focus on that since they clearly haven't even accomplished anything in the past 10 years.
    The TSA wouldn't have been able to do anything about 11/9.

  11. Post #11
    Fight until death, shoot until empty.

    November 2009
    15,457 Posts
    If there was a TSA on sept 11th then there might not have been two towers collapsed and thousands of deaths.

    A few minutes of your time is worth it I think; also the money spent on it is a tiny fraction compared to the behemoth US military spending so why not focus on that since they clearly haven't even accomplished anything in the past 10 years.
    You cant... you cant compare these two. The TSA was founded in response to 9 / 11. The US could not have prepared for anything like that.

  12. Post #12
    World's Okayest Comic Guy
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    February 2005
    17,342 Posts
    I don't really mind them at all tbh. If that means they have to personally invade my privacy for the safety of the country, then I don't care. If they are unreliable and a waste of time as everybody says, then might as well dismantle or find some other means of keeping the airlines safe.

  13. Post #13
    I'M A SHAAARK!
    Lambeth's Avatar
    October 2009
    14,832 Posts
    I flew out once to the states and back and they didn't bother me. one of them actually complimented me on the shirt I was wearing. which had this on the front

  14. Post #14
    RAPISTS ARE OPPRESSED
    mobrockers2's Avatar
    April 2011
    12,403 Posts
    I don't really mind them at all tbh. If that means they have to personally invade my privacy for the safety of the country, then I don't care.


    Just stay away from touching my rectum.
    There are other ways of insuring the safety of your country, like, you know, not going to war against every muslim country out there.

  15. Post #15
    World's Okayest Comic Guy
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    February 2005
    17,342 Posts
    The more proper term is, "Arabian."

  16. Post #16
    I can buy a title to replace to the one someone bought me
    UnknownDude's Avatar
    December 2007
    4,069 Posts
    You can't predict the future, and treating everyone like a terrorist doesn't seem to be a proper answer to terrorism. I think the TSA is a waste.

  17. Post #17
    Fight until death, shoot until empty.

    November 2009
    15,457 Posts
    You can't predict the future, and treating everyone like a terrorist doesn't seem to be a proper answer to terrorism. I think the TSA is a waste.

    It was a good idea in the beginning, I just think its become a money hole and they got power hungry.

  18. Post #18
    RAPISTS ARE OPPRESSED
    mobrockers2's Avatar
    April 2011
    12,403 Posts
    The more proper term is, "Arabian".
    Sorry.

  19. Post #19
    Dennab
    June 2011
    337 Posts
    It was a good idea in the beginning, I just think its become a money hole and they got power hungry.
    hahahahah

  20. Post #20
    Fight until death, shoot until empty.

    November 2009
    15,457 Posts
    hahahahah
    * Money hole referring to the fact that 8M USD is wasted in this instead of going toward something that will have greater impacts

  21. Post #21
    ECrownofFire's Avatar
    January 2011
    2,004 Posts
    Why not just stick a security guy on every plane? Not nearly as much hassle, it's only one additional crewmember. Probably a hell of a lot cheaper too.

  22. Post #22
    RAPISTS ARE OPPRESSED
    mobrockers2's Avatar
    April 2011
    12,403 Posts
    Why not just stick a security guy on every plane? Not nearly as much hassle, it's only one additional crewmember. Probably a hell of a lot cheaper too.
    air marshals.

  23. Post #23
    Fight until death, shoot until empty.

    November 2009
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    air marshals.
    Except you dont know that they are on the plane. They... just are

  24. Post #24
    RAPISTS ARE OPPRESSED
    mobrockers2's Avatar
    April 2011
    12,403 Posts
    Except you dont know that they are on the plane. They... just are
    Exactly.

  25. Post #25
    RainbowPillows's Avatar
    June 2011
    528 Posts
    It will be a hell of a lot cheaper for a marshal, but there should still be screening to a degree before someone gets on a plane, I think the luggage should go through the scanner (kind of a given) and maybe a wadn down of the person, that way if shit does go down, a handgun can handle the issue.


    Also, I never cared that they were full body scanning, if they wanted to blow the cash, fine. If they want to see my dick, fine, as long as I get to where I'm going.

    Marshals + a smaller TSA.

  26. Post #26
    Sonydude's Avatar
    August 2007
    695 Posts
    As someone in and around airports a lot, I hate the TSA. I am more scared of North Korea than a TSA agent.

    It scares me that our society threw freedoms out the window just because a terrorist attack. A terrorist will find another means of terror delivery, be it truck, ship, etc. Classifying everyone as a terrorist before proven bombless by a mass of TSA agents, is anything but a good idea.

    Should just drop your carry-on on the xray and walk through the metal detector. Mixing Air Marshals in the passengers is the best plan.

  27. Post #27
    What fun is there in making sense?
    Dennab
    October 2007
    9,274 Posts
    The TSA was a whiplash fear response from the government in regards to 9/11. They have yet to stop a terrorist. Every one so far has been stopped by passengers on the flight stopping the person from creating a safety risk.

    It's a theater, it's only purpose is to give the ILLUSION of safety. In practice, the TSA has stolen people's personal items, they've invaded the rights of the citizens and have sucked up tons of money while being the laughing stock of the world.

  28. Post #28
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    SNNS-SEAN's Avatar
    August 2008
    1,688 Posts
    The TSA isn't needed unless terrorists figure out how to engineer a chemical that when mixed with blood, makes you explode when you drink apple juice.
    Until that day, just having an air marshal on board will suffice.

  29. Post #29

    June 2012
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    yupp

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  30. Post #30
    Dennab
    May 2012
    1,765 Posts
    The TSA is a horrid abortion of a government agency.

    Theres all the shit you hear on the news which is horrible, but in normal operation its not as bad as it seems, but the TSA breeds inefficiency and invasion of privacy.

    Nobody likes them, they make flying a fucking hassle, and are cunts in general. They don't even work to prevent anything, you can slip anything by them if you aren't retarded.

  31. Post #31
    mlockha's Avatar
    April 2012
    132 Posts
    The TSA proved that the terrorists won. They succeeded in their goal which was to cause terror (terrorism). So they are a waste of money because the terrorists job is done. That's why they haven't caught that many people in the last 2 years(and also just because they do a horrible job).

  32. Post #32
    What fun is there in making sense?
    Dennab
    October 2007
    9,274 Posts
    There are other ways of insuring the safety of your country, like, you know, not going to war against every muslim country out there.
    That wasn't bin Laden's reason for attacking the US, at all...

  33. Post #33
    Gold Member

    May 2005
    2,268 Posts
    Yes. It is a bloated, inefficient piece of garbage. It is a waste of everyone's money. They are strictly reactionary and have not prevented a thing.

  34. Post #34
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    DemonDog's Avatar
    May 2008
    6,113 Posts
    TSA is just a hassle. I mean, yes there should be some degree of screening, but it's been blown far out of proportion.

  35. Post #35
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    Saxon's Avatar
    August 2006
    3,948 Posts
    The joke that everyone makes at the airport my dad works at thats not a TSA employee

    They always call them "Thousands standing around"

  36. Post #36
    Reagent's Avatar
    May 2012
    50 Posts
    On the topic at hand i think that while the tsa is waste of money and time as it is, the base idea is still good. Air marshals help with on-plane threats but they dont do shit if the bombing is supposed to be in-terminal and not aimed for the plane itself.

    I think that the optimal solution would be air marshals on planes and a much lighter tsa gate security force. Secure the planes heavily and have like 30 security guards with 5 or so of those assigned to bomb-checking at the checkpoints.

    The TSA proved that the terrorists won. They succeeded in their goal which was to cause terror (terrorism). So they are a waste of money because the terrorists job is done. That's why they haven't caught that many people in the last 2 years(and also just because they do a horrible job).
    You just copied that from the book little brother, didnt you.

  37. Post #37
    Ghhostface's Avatar
    October 2011
    182 Posts
    I think the TSA would have worked as a stopgap while the US prepared more efficient safety measures. However, over time it has been stretched to the breaking point. The agency is simply unqualified for its own job.

  38. Post #38
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    Ericson666's Avatar
    May 2011
    3,418 Posts
    Do remember that some terrorists or whatever might have tried an attack, but decided not to since the risk of getting caught was too high

  39. Post #39
    Reagent's Avatar
    May 2012
    50 Posts
    Do remember that some terrorists or whatever might have tried an attack, but decided not to since the risk of getting caught was too high
    remember?

  40. Post #40
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    Ericson666's Avatar
    May 2011
    3,418 Posts
    Well, keep in mind that fact