literally anyone I meet that has doesn't say that, ever, and when they do, they never experienced it, ever.
literally anyone I meet that has doesn't say that, ever, and when they do, they never experienced it, ever.
I'd like to point out a few things about depression. Again it might not apply to all people, but at least in my case I came to a point where everything was so terrible I wanted it all to end, and I didn't want to see myself coming out of this, but rather I wanted to just kill myself, mainly because absolutely everything I did during that time felt absolutely like hell.
Wherever I'd go everything looked bad, everything I'd eat tastes really bad, everything activity I used to enjoy felt wrong, and it's not like things physically tasted or smelled or felt bad, but it was the major feeling I had over absolutely everything.
For me it was over a certain loss, so I didn't even want life to continue, I didn't want to see myself getting over that loss because that felt horribly wrong to get over something so great that ends abruptly and in an unfair way. So I found myself just sitting in my room sometimes and wishing I'd just die on the spot. That obviously didn't happen, so I found my way one day to a tall bridge, I was really and honestly prepared to end this all, more so because I was drunk so that numbed any fear I might have had, but in the end I was prevented from committing suicide.
Hopefully this will clear up some reoccurring questions here in the fashion of "I don't understand why would people do that"
I don't think it actively adds to an argument in this debate, so apologies for that.
So to add my opinion here, I don't think it should be illegal to attempt suicide, because say, you failed and then you'd be sentenced for feeling hell. That isn't fair.
I completely agree with the laws here (And as far as I know in most other countries) that state that it is illegal to convince someone else to commit suicide. (i.e "do it faggot")
However the obligation to report to the authorities about a suicidal person can seriously backfire, because in that case the person at hand won't share his wish with anyone to begin with
Yes, I was stopped by realizing what was going on in my life at the time, my story is complicated and there is no one reason as to why I stopped and moved on. And yes, I did realize how it would affect people around me but I didn't care. I've had to talk to many of my suicidal friends, I've talked them down from it, same as you, and I did tell them "hey, it's your choice, but no one wants this for you but you it seems".
Once again, arguing the legality of suicide is not arguing the practicality of talking someone out of it for fucks sakes
That is an important issue about this fucking argument and you just sweep it under the rug of emotion and say "whatever, who cares about who "owns" your body". That's not what some of us are talking about.
You can have the opinion of it being a persons choice and STILL try and talk them out of it as a caring person and friend. I'm never going to legally think it's anyone elses choice(but you clearly do) but I'm never going to just let someone die if I can help them.
I doubt most of FP would either.
people are (seemingly)arguing as if they're so into "Its their choice" that they would just let people decide what to do, which to me sounds entirely an extreme opinion
I've heard people that bully others say "its their choice" before but thats it. Many people around me are very heavy against joking about suicide/murder/etc after all
just a topic I never talk about personally
I joke because my own experience with the subject has left me jaded, and rather than hate people for what's happened and what could have happened, I laugh and I joke.
Are we actually debating the legality of suicide itself, or also of what other people do when they know of someone who wants to end his life?
basically, something I just stay away from. But personally, I think it should be legal, but people should be put into therapy that is paid for my taxes, or something like that as a requirement, get a lot of help from others that have experienced it.
The thing about legality as far as I understand it is that you don't get punished for trying to commit suicide, but you are forced to recieve help, which in my opinion is reasonable.
In most developed states it's not illegal to take your life anymore though.
Forcing someone in my opinion is telling them that you care in some way.
talk about the legality of weed and then everyone debates religion
I'm confused with the guy on a building question because you didn't make it very implicit that he was going to commit suicide. Assuming I knew he was though, I would have no obligation in his affairs so I could continue walking. Or I could try to talking him out of it. Any measure of force would be off the table, and if he choose to jump regardless of my talk, then I must allow it.
The second argument you're making equating legalization of an activity with endorsement. It is the same as making the claim that legalization of drugs would encourage drug use. This is done to associate a strong negative with a potential outcome. Regardless of outcome, this is an issue of rights.
The "hurts everyone around them" argument is pretty laughable, not in that suicides don't usually have this affect, but that are so many issues with it. First you must assert that a person has a duty to not hurt everyone around them. Second, you have to apply this logic to far more than just suicide. I'm sure if I decided to become a prostitute that would "hurt everyone around me", yet again, unless I have some obligation (through contract) or I do not have a right to my body, this cannot be true.
Your death penalty comparison makes little sense as the prisoner does not have a choice in the sentence they receive, it couldn't at all be linked to suicide, as the death penalty is force.
She probably should have got professional help from a (good) psychologist.
Don't misunderstand me. You seem to have experienced it in your life so I'm sorry that you had to, but I still stand by what I've said.
Suicide is the result of an illness. If you want to commit suicide, there is somthing wrong with you.
Would you say that its immoral to restrain someone who is trying to kill themselves just because they sniffed some real bad glue?
The depression which makes you kill yourself is no different from suicide glue, both are abnormal and should be dealt with.
the people I've dealt with had depression warp their reality, making them believe they're alone and completely hopeless, even when helped
I pretty much had to tell a group of people what was going on to stop them, that shit is scary
instead of well... wasting it
anyone have any better ideas than me though? Legalize it, but require them to go through tax paid programs.
Sorry for bumping an old thread, but this is something that has been on my mind lately.
Why shouldn't suicide be "legal"?
This is like saying "You have a right to live, but you have no right not to."
It makes no sense. Why shouldn't you be allowed to take YOUR own life? The country doesn't own you, neither does your friends or your parents, so why should it be illegal?
Also, what exactly are the consequences of taking your own life? Do you get a debt that is transferred to your next of kin or something like that? If so, that does a lot more harm than good.
I think assisted suicide should be legal. There are people who really just don't want to live any more and it is not the government's place to deny them their wish. I saw a video one time of a guy who was paralyzed from the neck down and had a stroke or something. So he couldn't read/talk well/move at all. Basically the video was about how he had wanted to kill himself since a year after it happened and his wife wanted to help him to end his agony, but the law would not allow them. Something kind of like this video:
I don't understand how people here are debating the legality of suicide itself. I strongly doubt anyone who is going to end their own life cares that what they're doing is going to break a law that they won't be around to accept punishment for. I may be misunderstanding what they're debating, though.
suicide for bullying is a stupid reason nonetheless
literally kids are suicide-happy after getting called a pussy ONCE
I think suicide is for people that are weak. and i dont want to sound like a dick here but its all the trouble and challenges you face in your life and if you overcome it you get a feeling of pride for yourself. Even if you have the worst fucking life ever ( everyone hates you and hopes you die, they make you feel like a peice of shit every single day, no one loves you and your apparently not use for society) taking your own life is like saying they have one and they are right, I am worthless. Bullshit people need to learn how to come back harder and tougher. Allthough the law shouldnt control what you do as long as you dont harm anyone else, but suicide is never worth it.
Oh one more thing If someone has a terminal illness and there's no sign for a cure, i think they can take their life. Because in that case there isnt any sign of hope and its an extremly painful road to death then you can take your life just to end the pain.
It's a bit selfish to commit suicide, when you think about the people who cared about the person.
Yet, it's selfish to force a person in therapy and book him/her full of meds / therapy / institution if they feel like they don't want to go on.
Sometimes people do suicide for not so bright reasons, but sometimes life is not dancing on rose pedals.
Making it illegal is just stupid. We are humans, not computers following a strict program.
Try to help suicidal people instead.
I don't really see how suicide is weak. You'd have to be pretty damn brave to kill yourself.
Suicide is painless.
People are getting a bit off topic here. Describing the property of an act does not at all answer whether the act is legitimate or not. An opinion about an act does not have an effect on whether it is moral. Your own personal preference to perform an act also does not affect the act. Whether suicide is a weak or strong act isn't of importance as such a perception does not affect the moral acceptability as it is an issue without a lot of grey.
There is always a way to help a suicidal person out of their situation. If they commit suicide then something in life has clearly gone wrong for them at some stage that could have been fixed with proper attention.
As someone who has witnessed an attempted suicide and stopped it from happening, I still think it's the persons decision. It's a humanly instinct to stop it if you weren't expecting it.
There are again so many cases where someone suffers from clinical depression and attempts suicide due to lacking rational aspects due to their depression, cases where we can't just say: Welp, I guess it's their desicion. And then we let teenager Tommy hang himself because he got rejected by his crush whom was way out of his league.
Suicide is illegal with a good reason. Its a mental condition, the person is unstable, unsuitable to make their own decisions. If you attempt it, but fail you need to be detained. You need to be kept safe for your own well being.
A common saying follows that suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
But I think it more often is a solution to a permanent problem. It's sad what life can throw at you, and it's sad that people have to struggle with it when there's no end in sight.