1. Post #441
    ali3n92's Avatar
    April 2008
    716 Posts
    Even though this isn't related to the 32/64 bit issues, I feel like I need to comment on that
    Two days ago, my parents' PC bluescreened because of a WEBCAM DRIVER ISSUE
    You can't honestly say there's no better way of handling a driver crash, because a webcam isn't critical for the computer to run. It could've displayed an error message and advised the user to reboot to continue normal operation, BUT NOOO, the whole OS had to crash because of it.
    Hell, they could do the same thing with memory-related BSODS.
    Just temporarily disable that memory sector, and display a warning that prolonged use of the OS in its current state might lead to data corruption.

    I was having BSODs everytime I played BF3 (and only that one game), until I bought a dedicated sound card. That is a known problem with punkbuster and integrated Realtek sound cards, but I still fail to see why this needed a goddamn bluescreen, just shut down the soundcard for the current session and you're good to go

    Edited:

    Fuck I'm dumb, just re-read your post and you specifically meant the 32bit->64bit upgrade install, I need to get some rest before I start posting more stupid shit
    Your post was unrelated to the one you replied, but I agree with your points. Windows needs to be more modular, a component fail shouldn't bring down the whole OS.

  2. Post #442
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    Your post was unrelated to the one you replied, but I agree with your points. Windows needs to be more modular, a component fail shouldn't bring down the whole OS.
    Drivers that are horribly coded will crash it on any OS (I dont care if it is unix. if you code it horribly it will bring it down). Because how the kernel itself loads things and moves things from its protected modes to a user mode you wont see anything like this until they decide to make a new kernel. That could be years out but its becoming more likely they will have to do it with all the new tech. There is so much you can do to the NT Kernel before it just says fuck you im not going to do this anymore.
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  3. Post #443
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    Wherever you read that from, don't trust it. I run GTA4 perfectly fine on 7.
    Windows 7 is iffy for gta4 I had better performance on xp for that game only! all the others ran like shit then windows 7 ran the games great so 7 is good for alot of games

  4. Post #444
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    July 2006
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    hey guys can i run windows 7 on a pc with these specs?

    amd athlon 64 3200+
    ati radeon x200
    1gb of ram
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  5. Post #445
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    TO BE FAIR ">" is used in emails to quote people.
    Yeah, I laughed pretty hard when I saw > attributed to 4chan... I guess I'm getting old.

  6. Post #446
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    Yeah, I laughed pretty hard when I saw > attributed to 4chan... I guess I'm getting old.
    In the context, I don't think it could be in any other way.

  7. Post #447
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    In the context, I don't think it could be in any other way.
    Oh, I just found it funny that people refer to it as `4chan greentexting`or whatever they call it even though it has existed before most 4chan users were born...

    I'm sure you're correct and that Brock picked up the habit from that heap of crap of a site.

  8. Post #448
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    Even though this isn't related to the 32/64 bit issues, I feel like I need to comment on that
    Two days ago, my parents' PC bluescreened because of a WEBCAM DRIVER ISSUE
    You can't honestly say there's no better way of handling a driver crash, because a webcam isn't critical for the computer to run. It could've displayed an error message and advised the user to reboot to continue normal operation, BUT NOOO, the whole OS had to crash because of it.
    Hell, they could do the same thing with memory-related BSODS.
    Just temporarily disable that memory sector, and display a warning that prolonged use of the OS in its current state might lead to data corruption.

    I was having BSODs everytime I played BF3 (and only that one game), until I bought a dedicated sound card. That is a known problem with punkbuster and integrated Realtek sound cards, but I still fail to see why this needed a goddamn bluescreen, just shut down the soundcard for the current session and you're good to go

    Edited:

    Fuck I'm dumb, just re-read your post and you specifically meant the 32bit->64bit upgrade install, I need to get some rest before I start posting more stupid shit

    That's more of a fault of the driver vendor than in windows itself. The driver is probably coded in such a way that it grabs stuff it shouldn't so manages to bring down the entire system.

    Compare that with GPU drivers. They're a lot more critical, but probably a lot more watched so most people that write them adhere to some standards at least lately.

    So when it crashes it usually just tells you that the driver crashed and had to be restarted.

    As to the 4chan >
    I'd say that whenever it is clearly used out of context, then it's a 4chan habit.
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  9. Post #449
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    Our school switched over completely to windows 7

    In 2010 windows xp with ie8 was being used but it was shit and becoming a pain in the ass, when 2011 swooped around they installed windows 7 everywhere and that was when the laptop program was coming into trial and was well received by everyone

    Windows 7 just makes the job easier, it has a friendly and beautiful UI, organizing isn't a chore and it runs faster than XP or vista.

    My family were using XP for a while but now we managed to get every computer on windows 7 and nobody hates it, it's great.

    I use windows 8 now because of metro and I'm gonna personally switch to windows 8 when it comes out but my family hate the metro switch and I love it but hey, well all adapt.

    Face it XP is shit now and the features from 2001 can be easily accomplished easier with 7.

    Switch
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  10. Post #450
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    Even my high school just switched to 7 - granted they're using Aero Basic at the largest DPI setting (I don't know who the fuck thought it was a good idea - every teacher complains about how "the icons are too big"...). All the IT guys are really happy with how easy 7 is to manage compared to XP.

  11. Post #451
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    Even my high school just switched to 7 - granted they're using Aero Basic at the largest DPI setting (I don't know who the fuck thought it was a good idea - every teacher complains about how "the icons are too big"...). All the IT guys are really happy with how easy 7 is to manage compared to XP.
    192 dpi on a ~96dpi monitor? Holy.

  12. Post #452
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    192 dpi on a ~96dpi monitor? Holy.
    Yeah. It's the stupidest thing. I've had to change it for about 2/3 of the teachers because it's so bad.

  13. Post #453
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    Even my high school just switched to 7 - granted they're using Aero Basic at the largest DPI setting (I don't know who the fuck thought it was a good idea - every teacher complains about how "the icons are too big"...). All the IT guys are really happy with how easy 7 is to manage compared to XP.
    Your IT guys sound fucking retarded (then again there is no such thing as a good IT department).

    Surprisingly our IT guys made our laptops have full admin rights meaning we can do what we want as long as it isn't illegal shit (mind you disturbing pirated materials at the school slips by them all the time), they also tried scaring us not to do stupid shit on Facebook by saying they installed a key logger but me and my friend inspected everything and there was no trace of a logger, just a scare tatic.

    When they gave us our laptops they fucked up big time when they rushed installing the video drivers meaning most task we needed to became impossible and now only 50% of my grade have the drivers because they installed it from the windows updater, but half complain their battery is going flat because they can't turn down the brightness without the drivers.

    Yeah I know, it's stupid.

  14. Post #454
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    I'm a proud user of Windows XP.
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  15. Post #455
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    Your IT guys sound fucking retarded (then again there is no such thing as a good IT department).

    Surprisingly our IT guys made our laptops have full admin rights meaning we can do what we want as long as it isn't illegal shit (mind you disturbing pirated materials at the school slips by them all the time), they also tried scaring us not to do stupid shit on Facebook by saying they installed a key logger but me and my friend inspected everything and there was no trace of a logger, just a scare tatic.

    When they gave us our laptops they fucked up big time when they rushed installing the video drivers meaning most task we needed to became impossible and now only 50% of my grade have the drivers because they installed it from the windows updater, but half complain their battery is going flat because they can't turn down the brightness without the drivers.

    Yeah I know, it's stupid.
    In terms of how they're configuring Windows 7, yes, they are fucking retarded. The computers have i7 processors and 8GB of ram, yet they're on 32bit Windows 7. I'm assuming it's for compatibility, but I don't see why, since all of the applications they use are web based.

  16. Post #456
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    May 2011
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    My IT guys switched all the computers over to Windows 7.

    All the scanners and printers don't work, and the network goes down all the time.

    They tried fixing it by replacing the RAM on one of the host computers.

       They're fucking stupid.   

  17. Post #457
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    I remember when my old high school upgraded to XP. In 2009.
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  18. Post #458
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    Oooh fuck ye you sexy as hell

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  19. Post #459
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    No way. Everything about this is sex no doubt.
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  20. Post #460
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    July 2010
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    Good thing i got Windows 7 (64 bit), I still can't believe that i though XP was the best.
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  21. Post #461

    July 2011
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    I remember when my old high school upgraded to XP. In 2009.
    Some computers in my old school (~2005) had Windows 98, they still haven't upgraded any of the XP computers to W7, only added a shitload of bloatware to make it look like Vista.
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  22. Post #462
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    August 2011
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    We are still on shitty XP, this summer, our local school division has hired me and a freind to install XP on some school computers.

    Y U NO 7

    Edited:

    Oooh fuck ye you sexy as hell

    I thought you said you were a proud IE user...
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  23. Post #463
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    We are still on shitty XP, this summer, our local school division has hired me and a freind to install XP on some school computers.

    Y U NO 7

    Edited:



    I thought you said you were a proud IE user...
    He is. He used IE to make the post apparently.

  24. Post #464
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    January 2012
    97 Posts
    Windows XP is residenting on my laptop. Acer Extensa 5630Z shits on Windows 7. Windows Vista? Nope.

    Windows XP uses lil'ram, and plays old games.

    Windows XP is best on slow laptops. I don't care about support dimishing. I hope some good person will update Windows XP (like they do with 98)

    But Windows 7 is good system, and like others said, the strongest string that makes me love Windows XP is nostalgia. But still good system for laptops that shit pants at every moment.

  25. Post #465
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    April 2007
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    Wow, theres a lot of IT department bashing going on here! Since I work in IT myself within a school I guess I will answer a few of your concerns.

    Your IT guys sound fucking retarded (then again there is no such thing as a good IT department).

    Surprisingly our IT guys made our laptops have full admin rights meaning we can do what we want as long as it isn't illegal shit (mind you disturbing pirated materials at the school slips by them all the time), they also tried scaring us not to do stupid shit on Facebook by saying they installed a key logger but me and my friend inspected everything and there was no trace of a logger, just a scare tatic.

    When they gave us our laptops they fucked up big time when they rushed installing the video drivers meaning most task we needed to became impossible and now only 50% of my grade have the drivers because they installed it from the windows updater, but half complain their battery is going flat because they can't turn down the brightness without the drivers.

    Yeah I know, it's stupid.
    Ofcourse there is good IT departments, its just the majority of high schoolers seem to take a dim view on there IT department because they feel the things they do is stupid, all of which in nearly all cases will have had no previous experience of how a business network works and think that everything is as easy as managing your home computer.

    It does sound like your ICT department has some problems however, you should have a filtering system in place to prevent access to certain sites (gambling, porn, social networking e.t.c) not via installing 'so called key loggers'. In terms of the video drivers, we all make mistakes, I am sure if you made them aware of the issue they would have resolved it for you.

    Some computers in my old school (~2005) had Windows 98, they still haven't upgraded any of the XP computers to W7, only added a shitload of bloatware to make it look like Vista.

    That bloatware you speak of is probably RM CC which is a network management package aimed at schools and educational establishments, it adds a lot of tools to make managing the network easier. It doesnt get used as much these days as it previously did, but you will find a lot of schools based on a RM network.

    In terms of how they're configuring Windows 7, yes, they are fucking retarded. The computers have i7 processors and 8GB of ram, yet they're on 32bit Windows 7. I'm assuming it's for compatibility, but I don't see why, since all of the applications they use are web based.

    i7's and 8GB of RAM for each machine? unless its a dedicated single suite with the spec of machine I have to be doubtful. 32bit is as you say probably due to a compatability issue with some bits of software here and there, or even some devices like printers scanners photocopiers, however it could also be done by mistake, they may need to change there deployment image to use a 64bit version of Windows. You should probably just go and ask them, they will either give you a valid excuse or scratch there heads and wonder why its the case.

    My IT guys switched all the computers over to Windows 7.

    All the scanners and printers don't work, and the network goes down all the time.

    They tried fixing it by replacing the RAM on one of the host computers.

       They're fucking stupid.   
    This is probably due to the way printers and scanners were previously mapped in on XP, probably with a bat script on login or something, they need to switch to sharing printers via Group policy or another newer method, go impress them and tell them this!

    We are still on shitty XP, this summer, our local school division has hired me and a freind to install XP on some school computers.

    Y U NO 7

    Edited:



    I thought you said you were a proud IE user...

    The reason behind not having Windows 7 is probably due to a few fundamental reasons:

    1) Hardware - Can the hardware run Windows 7? Whilst W7 does run well on lower end machines, it will still suck up all the memory it can and be quite a fair amount more demanding that Windows XP

    2) Cost - Its not like schools can go and pirate Windows 7, you have to consider the cost per machine, ofcourse Microsoft give educational establishments massive discounts, but if the funding is there then its just not possible. The majority of the computers at your school will have windows XP corp keys stuck to the side of them and the school probably already has an unlimited licence to deploy Windows XP, they probably dont have the same for Windows 7.

    3) Server-Side - Your school servers may be running Windows Server 2003 which means that it will be next to impossible to manage any of the new features in Windows 7. Even if they were running Windows Server 2008 or r2, its difficult to setup policies which work correctly on both XP and 7 machines, putting Windows 7 on a few machines will cause more trouble than its worth and will open up a load of holes in the schools IT infastructure.

    4) Software - With Windows 7 some features found in previous versions of Windows were removed (some DirectX tools for example), software written for education generally isnt of the greatest quality and chances are it gets rarely updated, you school probably uses a few bits of niche software in certain subjects that refuses to run on anything above XP.

    All in all you have to put yourself into the mindset of your ICT department and ask yourself, 'what will putting W7 on these computers actually give us'? If all you can come up with is a prettier interface and a newer version of IE then perhaps its not the best of ideas.
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  26. Post #466
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    Oh yeah sometimes school IT isn't all that bad. We had a few C2D machines with XP and they were blazing fast. Not sure. It was like double click IE8..done. Photoshop CS4? No problem! The actual program outpaced the splash screen. It was ridiculous like they had SSDs on them or some shit.

  27. Post #467

    July 2011
    614 Posts
    That bloatware you speak of is probably RM CC which is a network management package aimed at schools and educational establishments, it adds a lot of tools to make managing the network easier. It doesnt get used as much these days as it previously did, but you will find a lot of schools based on a RM network.
    It isn't RM CC.
    I am talking only about the school I studied in, I don't know anything about other IT departments.

    Edited:

    I have never seen RM CC being used anywhere actually

  28. Post #468
    A man chooses, a slave obeys.
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    August 2011
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    My college is still running Windows xp, it's annoying because i'm doing an IT course and to add insult to injury they are still running IE7. It really is starting to show it's age, hope to be able to setup a Remote desktop to my main PC with Windows 7 at home soon.
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  29. Post #469
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    Wow, theres a lot of IT department bashing going on here! Since I work in IT myself within a school I guess I will answer a few of your concerns.



    Ofcourse there is good IT departments, its just the majority of high schoolers seem to take a dim view on there IT department because they feel the things they do is stupid, all of which in nearly all cases will have had no previous experience of how a business network works and think that everything is as easy as managing your home computer.

    It does sound like your ICT department has some problems however, you should have a filtering system in place to prevent access to certain sites (gambling, porn, social networking e.t.c) not via installing 'so called key loggers'. In terms of the video drivers, we all make mistakes, I am sure if you made them aware of the issue they would have resolved it for you.
    They don't install filtering software on our computers because they've told parents that it is there job to restrict us from that, the keylogger ordeal I think was a hoax I'm pretty sure nobodies been tracked.

    The only places where laptops have default filtering is public schools, I go to a private and they've allowed us to do whatever we fucking want (without installing a new OS or other stuff)

    Edited:

    At school we do have a network filtering system, that's only for school though.

  30. Post #470
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    October 2011
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    Our schools started running 7 about a year after it came out. When Vista was out they had the computers that already had Vista on them from the factory and changed it to XP for obvious reasons (user compatibility). They switched out most of the shit Dells with some HPs. They run faster and come with a 1400x900 widescreen monitor. Great for Jostens' Yearbook application. i2 intel processors.

  31. Post #471
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    Our schools started running 7 about a year after it came out. When Vista was out they had the computers that already had Vista on them from the factory and changed it to XP for obvious reasons (user compatibility). They switched out most of the shit Dells with some HPs. They run faster and come with a 1400x900 widescreen monitor. Great for Jostens' Yearbook application. i2 intel processors.
    But Jostens is trying to get EVERYONE to build it on their website because it is simpler to send in spreads. Unless you are using illustrator.

  32. Post #472
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  33. Post #473
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    November 2010
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    You having a mass celebration thing or something when it reaches 0?
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  34. Post #474
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    You having a mass celebration thing or something when it reaches 0?
    Not a celebration, but I won't miss it.

  35. Post #475
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    Not a celebration, but I won't miss it.
    XP was good for its time, it had a lot of potential which it used and it never disappointed me.

    But that was years ago, windows 7 is with us and to me Windows 7 is the son of XP and I don't think 7 is going anywhere for some time.
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  36. Post #476
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    You having a mass celebration thing or something when it reaches 0?
    I don't know what I am going to be doing in april 2014 but most likely no. Only thing I would most likely be doing is just forget everything about it.
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  37. Post #477
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    I'll be using XP through to 2015 I think. No real reason to change, everything's just perfect as it is :)

    Still have a spare HDD installed as a dual boot running Win7, but that's just there for Battlefield 3, Sniper Elite V2 and whatever other odd Vista/Win7/8-only games that come out. For everything else, XP all the way. KISS, right?
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  38. Post #478
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    I'll be using XP through to 2015 I think. No real reason to change, everything's just perfect as it is :)

    Still have a spare HDD installed as a dual boot running Win7, but that's just there for Battlefield 3, Sniper Elite V2 and whatever other odd Vista/Win7/8-only games that come out. For everything else, XP all the way. KISS, right?
    No get off it.
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  39. Post #479
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    I'll be using XP through to 2015 I think. No real reason to change, everything's just perfect as it is :)

    Still have a spare HDD installed as a dual boot running Win7, but that's just there for Battlefield 3, Sniper Elite V2 and whatever other odd Vista/Win7/8-only games that come out. For everything else, XP all the way. KISS, right?
    i was a die hard XP user for 5 years and was like "nah XP's better than vista and 7". Then when my laptop finally died and i got a new one with 7 in it, 1 month later and here i am, swearing never to go back to XP again.
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  40. Post #480
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    I remember how I didn't want to switch to XP from 2000. Good times.
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