1. Post #1
    BRadNowacki's Avatar
    July 2009
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    (Forgive me if im a Bad OP)
    So The Question is "Is Time Real?"

    First off lets define time - Noun: The indefinite continued progress of existence and events in the past, present, and future regarded as a whole.
    Sounds simple enough right? But Is it really?

    Now lets think about this, Time as we generally know it today is relative, i feel that that's safe to say. But what if time is just something we as people made?
    Here is an Abstract from a document i found (Most of the citation is lost but that's besides the point) that defends that point

    The idea of physics without time as a fundamental physical reality is based on the fact that
    with clocks one measures duration, speed and numerical order of material change, and not
    time. With eyes one can perceive in the universe only material change that runs into physical
    space. One cannot perceive time as a physical reality into which material change run.
    Material change runs into physical space only, and not in time. Time is not a fundamental
    physical reality like matter, energy and physical space. Time exists only when we measure it;
    time is an “observer effect”

    Source - http://fqxi.org/data/forum-attachmen...sorli_2008.pdf
    Me, i think time is just something that we created, and that it truly is not real. So the Question is what do you think?

    Im going to put a list of links Favoring Time and Opposing Time below, please feel free to share links.

    For:
    Disclaimer - i don't claim to be a expert on this topic, i just watched a show about it and it sparked my curiosity (it was "Through The Wormhole: Is Time Real" for those who would like to watch it, its very informative for both sides - http://science.discovery.com/videos/...es-time-exist/) so i thought i would start a post about it

  2. Post #2
    Time is not real, I can't find a good way to explain it,..

  3. Post #3
    BRadNowacki's Avatar
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    Time is not real, I can't find a good way to explain it,..
    \

    Got any facts to back it? i would love to read some more

  4. Post #4
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    AK'z's Avatar
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    Time is a concept.

    Concepts are real.

    Discussion closed.

  5. Post #5
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    Bytecry's Avatar
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    Time is man made.

  6. Post #6
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    Ond kaja's Avatar
    December 2009
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    I don't feel this is even worth contemplating. If time is somehow doesn't exist, it doesn't really affect us anyway.

  7. Post #7
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    Time is something man made using the sun and other astronomical happenings.

    Why is more of a mystery to be honest.

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    Judas's Avatar
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYKfZzk4MOQ

    (User was banned for this post ("This is not how you post in Mass Debate" - Swebonny))

  9. Post #9
    I <3 OTTERS~
    Dennab
    July 2011
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    Time have been used since people started to communicate with eachother. Maybe not like
    "Oh dear, the dinosaurs come here at 12 o clock"
    They came up with different ways of saying what the clock was, or well, if it was dawn or dusk, night or day.
    Theory, no sources

  10. Post #10
    BRadNowacki's Avatar
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    I don't feel this is even worth contemplating. If time is somehow doesn't exist, it doesn't really affect us anyway.
    But it does, If time isn't real, and everything is ever existent then physics as we know it will be flipped

  11. Post #11
    goatse
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    Time is duration, we measure that and factor Time in many equations. Time is relative.

  12. Post #12
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    Time is a measurement of the movement of atoms. If the atoms didn't move there would be no time, so really are atoms real?, because at the end of the day its just how we perceive the frequencies of the cosmos.

  13. Post #13
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    Time is duration, we measure that and factor Time in many equations. Time is relative.
    Yes but what about spacetime?

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    But it does, If time isn't real, and everything is ever existent then physics as we know it will be flipped
    You should try to distinguish science from philosophy. This is a philosophical question, because it tries to convince the viewer that time is man-made with arguments rather than using scientific methods. Of course, until you can come up with a scientific method that can prove it, this remains a purely philosophical question.

  15. Post #15
    BRadNowacki's Avatar
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    You should try to distinguish science from philosophy. This is a philosophical question, because it tries to convince the viewer that time is man-made with arguments rather than using scientific methods. Of course, until you can come up with a scientific method that can prove it, this remains a purely philosophical question.
    True and i could not find links but i did find the Video that inspired this post and i will put it in the OP

  16. Post #16
    Ask me about my 'female train' fetish.
    Dennab
    January 2006
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    Time as a value is man-made. Time as a constant is not.

    As in, the progression of things is ongoing, we've labelled it as "time" to make it easier to explain our universe.

    It's like math is something we've created, but in nature many things follow mathematical rules (Such as plant leaves following Fibonacci or something like that somewhere)

  17. Post #17
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    Craptasket's Avatar
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    Yes but what about spacetime?
    Read Theory of relativity

  18. Post #18
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    Time to me is just a term. Can't do much with it except measure and waste it.

  19. Post #19
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    Like distance, it's obviously real but relative, so we've come up with measurements that we can understand.

  20. Post #20
    BRadNowacki's Avatar
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    Like distance, it's obviously real but relative, so we've come up with measurements that we can understand.
    How is it obviously Real?

  21. Post #21
    DiBBs27's Avatar
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    To answer the question is time real, we must ask ourselves, what is reality?

    And...

    Is reality real?

  22. Post #22
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    How is it obviously Real?
    Because it is there, it exists. We just measure it.

  23. Post #23
    Eudoxia's Avatar
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    Maybe something like this:

    "Time is a measure of entropy".

    Actually let's just get Johnny or aVoN here.

  24. Post #24
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    How is it obviously Real?
    I can walk three steps in one direction just as well as I can remember typing the first bit of this sentence. It's observable even without a concept of measurement.

  25. Post #25
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    Time is real in the sense that it applies in physics and special relativity, you can see this through phenomena such as time dilation, it's not just something we made up.

  26. Post #26
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    Eh, it's complicated. It's real sometimes and sometimes it isn't.
    Wibbily Wobbly, Timey Wimey.. etc.

  27. Post #27
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    I don't think you understand what "Time" really is.

    Craptasket posted:
    Time is duration, we measure that and factor Time in many equations. Time is relative.

  28. Post #28
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    Eh, it's complicated. It's real sometimes and sometimes it isn't.
    Wibbily Wobbly, Timey Wimey.. etc.
    Perception. Sometimes time flies by, sometimes it crawls nearly to a stop.
    Time goes by faster as you get older.

    Time waits for nobody and everybody waits for time.

    People can move backwards but time never follows.

  29. Post #29
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    There's a clock over there measuring it, so yes, it's real.

    As far as being a fathomable substance such as water or a radio wave, no. Time on a universal scale can be thought of as a theoretical plane through which existence passes along at a steady rate, with no outside influences, and which can be observed only through the occurrence of events.

    This plane probably doesn't exist in any sort of actual form.

  30. Post #30
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    time is a measurement system, but a worthless one really as we barely understand why it's trying to measure.

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    time is a measurement system, but a worthless one really as we barely understand why it's trying to measure.
    You have a very good point, I'm more curious to why we want time, than what it is.

  32. Post #32
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    I like to think of time as a checkpoint system.
    It's only relative when you need it to be.

    Time tells me when my haircut appointment is. It serves me as a checkpoint.

    Time is the structure of our lives. We base all we do in this world because of time.

  33. Post #33
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    I like to think of time as a checkpoint system.
    It's only relative when you need it to be.

    Time tells me when my haircut appointment is. It serves me as a checkpoint.

    Time is the structure of our lives. We base all we do in this world because of time.
    I like this point of view, but I think time is such an odd concept overall.

  34. Post #34
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    time is a measurement system, but a worthless one really
    why
    as we barely understand why it's trying to measure.
    how

  35. Post #35
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    The question is really easy to ask, but even if you get told the right answer most people wouldn't even understand it.

  36. Post #36
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    Time is a measurement of the movement of atoms. If the atoms didn't move there would be no time, so really are atoms real?, because at the end of the day its just how we perceive the frequencies of the cosmos.
    It isn't measuring the movement of atoms, it is a measure of progress of the change in state of atoms. If all atoms were not moving, "time" as we know it would still exist. The movement of atoms is simply kinematics and really isn't all that related to the concept of time in this context.

  37. Post #37
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    Does the fact that we have a concept of time make our lives feel shorter?

    I was envying my cat earlier today, because it doesn't know about seconds,
    days or even years. To top that off, cats are not even aware of their own impending death.

  38. Post #38
    Yes but what about spacetime?
    Spacetime is the strongest evidence we have that time is real. The notion of spacetime is that time and space are intrinsically linked as part of a big manifold that makes up the universe. The question of whether time is real is no more uncertain than whether space is real. We can measure the difference between the rates at which time ticks between reference frames, which tells us that all reference frames have certain, measurable notions of time. Plenty of physical laws not only depend on time, but on the direction of time, like wave function collapse.

    For more on the subject, have a look at Heinz Dieter Zeh's The Physical Basis of the Direction of Time.

  39. Post #39
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    Does the fact that we have a concept of time make our lives feel shorter?

    I was envying my cat earlier today, because it doesn't know about seconds,
    days or even years. To top that off, cats are not even aware of their own impending death.
    How blissful

    Johnnymo's description just made me realize that a clock is literally measuring time with space. Each second is a certain amount is millimeters long.

    So you can effectively judge time, by using space as a template. Hence the clock.

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    How blissful

    Johnnymo's description just made me realize that a clock is literally measuring time with space. Each second is a certain amount is millimeters long.

    So you can effectively judge time, by using space as a template. Hence the clock.
    You are not far off. Lots of relativity textbooks describe clocks as the analog of a ruler for time-like intervals.